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Title: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: calvin1mac on February 25, 2013, 11:44:01 PM
Got this months M&H newsletter this morning saying the new softs are on the website and they have signed Craig Kieswetter!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: mattw on February 25, 2013, 11:45:51 PM
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Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: calvin1mac on February 25, 2013, 11:49:08 PM
Do you know which bat he using?
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on February 25, 2013, 11:51:16 PM
Retro I think I saw somewhere, don't quote me on that though.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Colesy on February 25, 2013, 11:59:51 PM
He had all the bats in a M&H Twitter pic incl the Retro
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: The_Bird on February 26, 2013, 12:13:37 AM
I see that Chesney Brown from Coronation Street is also sponsored by M&H, good on him.

 http://twitter.com/mandhcricket/status/304142125631696896/photo/1 (http://twitter.com/mandhcricket/status/304142125631696896/photo/1)
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on February 26, 2013, 08:16:28 AM
The retro was a customers that was in the pic so not sure what he will be using, Kirby told me he had moved when he swing by the office last week as GN cut loose a large crop of their players at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 26, 2013, 09:07:10 AM
Probably to make space for the like of Taylor? Do you think he would command much, fringe England player with a decent future?
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on February 26, 2013, 09:09:11 AM
IMO he's earmarked to progress through the ranks as he's obv captaining the lions and is still only young at 22. I would think he got a fair bit as is a good young talent that scores a few in county cricket and will progress in England colours too
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Alvaro on February 26, 2013, 09:16:56 AM
Or just clear the rafters of players unlikely to sell bats?
Strauss retiring may well have covered Trego and Taylor.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on February 26, 2013, 10:00:08 AM
IMO he's earmarked to progress through the ranks as he's obv captaining the lions and is still only young at 22. I would think he got a fair bit as is a good young talent that scores a few in county cricket and will progress in England colours too

hes got to have a good season though. look at Hildreth. did exactly the same and hasnt even been mentioned for england since.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Bruce on February 26, 2013, 10:40:52 AM
Or just clear the rafters of players unlikely to sell bats?
Strauss retiring may well have covered Trego and Taylor.

Like your way of thinking!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2013, 02:45:39 PM
hes got to have a good season though. look at Hildreth. did exactly the same and hasnt even been mentioned for england since.

Taylor will have to score a lot of runs to get back in - he's certainly behind Cook, Root, Trott, KP, Bell, Pietersen, Morgan and Compton and quite possibly one or two others as well right now.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 26, 2013, 03:10:45 PM
In the Telegraph and Guardian today, they are pushing for Root to open over Compton and Bairstow coming in at 6 again.

Bit early for Root maybe, but deep end is the best place to be sometimes and he seems to have the head for it. Harsh on Compton I suppose, but still, competition is good eh?
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2013, 03:20:00 PM
I think our best six batsmen are Cook, Root, Trott, KP, Bell, Bairstow.  Only harsh on Compton if you think that a selectorial error gives him sinecure.

There was an interesting view in the Sunday Telegraph a couple of weeks ago that I actually hold with though - the ideal batting line up would be Cook, Compton, Trott, Root, Pietersen, Bairstow.  We know Bell well enough but he has never quite convinced for long periods - what do we learn if he mullers New Zealand?  At least this way we find out about Compton for once and for all whilst boosting Root up the order and restoring Bairstow to the spot he deserves...
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 26, 2013, 03:26:18 PM
I agree with you there mate regarding Bell. Class batsmen but I think the time has come to blood a couple of new boys in the NZ series before back to back Ashes
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2013, 03:30:49 PM
indeed - he can always come back if needed.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 26, 2013, 03:35:22 PM
Just wish Broad would bugger off now...I just don't see what he brings anymore. Good knock against Pakistan, decent little session against the Aussies in 2009, but he doesn't exactly shine game in/game out.

Problem is, who's played enough cricket to replace him? Onions is probably the best bet, unless I am missing someone obvious.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: jamielsn15 on February 26, 2013, 03:36:02 PM
Merely playing Devil's advocate here - I understand the need to find out about 'new' players and whether they can hack it, but do we drop a triple-ashes winning player with 80-odd tests and all the experience that brings in Bell for Bairstow, Root or Compton?  With back-to-back ashes series coming up?  With that logic, why not rest Trott or KP?

Root looks every inch the test player and I'd open him with Cook for NZ and (barring a shocking series or two) the Ashes.  I just can't see the logic in dropping a better player (at the moment) than all three simply to find out more about another player.  You pick your best players, of which Bell is clearly one, and if there isn't a space for other great players, tough.  I didn't see Australia dropping any of their players for Lehmann or Law...  It's tough on Compton, who isn't a bad player, but there seem better in Root and Bairstow.  Part of me thinks Compton deserves a shout in more familiar conditions, but he surely has to be the most at risk?  Bell's done enough over the past 3 years to warrant being picked.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: jamielsn15 on February 26, 2013, 03:38:06 PM
I think Onions would tear NZ apart in NZ and at home, but the management love Broad's bounce.  Every selection decision has to be made with the Ashes home and away in mind...
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2013, 03:49:40 PM
Root looks every inch the test player and I'd open him with Cook for NZ and (barring a shocking series or two) the Ashes.  I just can't see the logic in dropping a better player (at the moment) than all three simply to find out more about another player. 

Bell, you claim has done enough over the last three years to warrant being picked.

Do you even watch cricket?

He had a reasonable 2011, but in the last 12 months he has failed repeatedly and repetitively without showing the slightest understanding of what is wrong with his game or of what he needs to do to rectify the issues.  He looks adrift against spin, and his mental game, always one of the weakest in international cricket, has descended to new and embarassing lows such as that shocking first ball slog in India.  Scyld Berry's point in suggesting he be dropepd is that England cannot, and never will be able to, properly rely upon him in a test match.  So try the players who you definitely can (and Root and Bairstow have proven this) or at least might be able to (Compton) succeed where he has let himself down.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: joeylough on February 26, 2013, 04:23:28 PM
Looks to me he will get his pick on what he wants and will be going around the warehouse/workshop in the near future.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: charlie15 on February 26, 2013, 04:30:46 PM
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Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Liam-SCCC on February 26, 2013, 04:50:34 PM
Ahh, I kind of beat you so it on that one!

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Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: jamielsn15 on February 26, 2013, 04:53:53 PM
Bell, you claim has done enough over the last three years to warrant being picked.

Do you even watch cricket?

He had a reasonable 2011, but in the last 12 months he has failed repeatedly and repetitively without showing the slightest understanding of what is wrong with his game or of what he needs to do to rectify the issues.  He looks adrift against spin, and his mental game, always one of the weakest in international cricket, has descended to new and embarassing lows such as that shocking first ball slog in India.  Scyld Berry's point in suggesting he be dropepd is that England cannot, and never will be able to, properly rely upon him in a test match.  So try the players who you definitely can (and Root and Bairstow have proven this) or at least might be able to (Compton) succeed where he has let himself down.

I watch a little bit, yeah, though clearly not as much as you do.  However, if I may?

Reasonable 2011?  Similar to saying KP's knock vs SA last summer was 'ok...' Bell wasn't the only one at sea against Ajmal - of which there is only one - and I don't see a NZ debutant or Lyon worrying any of the England players, least of all Bell who many ex-pros (and the current management) feel is one of the best players of spin England have.

I take your point re; mental approach - I majored in Sports Psychology in elite players at Uni - to a point.  But to talk about fine margins in sport - he clears mid off and he's 'turned a corner,' or 'dominating from the off.'  One shot does not a mental disintegration make.  It was indeed, most likely, a result of his experiences with Ajmal, where he went totally into his shell.  Therefore, he'sadapting his approach and looking to rectify his previous mistakes...  What about the ton in the last test?  Trott gets applauded for his mental strength and ability, yet Bell gets ignored.  I genuinely feel that the old perceptions get rolled out every time he has an average series, or innings. 

The beauty of cricket - or any sport at elite level - is that you cannot say, 100%, that any individual player is guaranteed to save a test match, or score a goal, or make a putt - Berry's point is mute, because there aren't any players' you can rely on at, say, 50-4 with a day to go to save a game.  Bell isn't guaranteed to do so, but he has in the recent past 'saved' games against SA in SA, Australia at home and India in the last series.  You suggest that Bairstow and Root DEFINITELY can.  After 2-3 test matches?  Are they more likely to than Bell?  I would pick Bell, at the present time, over Compton, Bairstow, Morgan, Bopara, Taylor and any other emerging player.

It's a game of opinions mate, the beauty is that no one person is right or wrong...


Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on February 26, 2013, 05:23:05 PM
I watch a little bit, yeah, though clearly not as much as you do.  However, if I may?

Reasonable 2011?  Similar to saying KP's knock vs SA last summer was 'ok...' Bell wasn't the only one at sea against Ajmal - of which there is only one - and I don't see a NZ debutant or Lyon worrying any of the England players, least of all Bell who many ex-pros (and the current management) feel is one of the best players of spin England have.

I take your point re; mental approach - I majored in Sports Psychology in elite players at Uni - to a point.  But to talk about fine margins in sport - he clears mid off and he's 'turned a corner,' or 'dominating from the off.'  One shot does not a mental disintegration make.  It was indeed, most likely, a result of his experiences with Ajmal, where he went totally into his shell.  Therefore, he'sadapting his approach and looking to rectify his previous mistakes...  What about the ton in the last test?  Trott gets applauded for his mental strength and ability, yet Bell gets ignored.  I genuinely feel that the old perceptions get rolled out every time he has an average series, or innings. 

The beauty of cricket - or any sport at elite level - is that you cannot say, 100%, that any individual player is guaranteed to save a test match, or score a goal, or make a putt - Berry's point is mute, because there aren't any players' you can rely on at, say, 50-4 with a day to go to save a game.  Bell isn't guaranteed to do so, but he has in the recent past 'saved' games against SA in SA, Australia at home and India in the last series.  You suggest that Bairstow and Root DEFINITELY can.  After 2-3 test matches?  Are they more likely to than Bell?  I would pick Bell, at the present time, over Compton, Bairstow, Morgan, Bopara, Taylor and any other emerging player.

It's a game of opinions mate, the beauty is that no one person is right or wrong...

Well said, Ian Bell is a class player with a decent average, he is in my opinion one of England's top 3 batsmen. Root is doing an excellent job in the 1 day at present but honestly at this moment in time England's test top 6 does not need to change.

The only place that should be open is the 3rd seamer number 8 or 9 position as Stuart Broad is just not a test match player at the moment, and im not sure he will be until he goes back to county cricket, gets over his injuries and stops thinking he is gods gift to cricket.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: 19reading87 on February 26, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
I've Said it before and I'll say it again, anybody who thinks Ian Bell shouldn't be in the test team for this summers Ashes is clueless!!!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: ppccopener on February 26, 2013, 05:31:55 PM
yes well said  :)
Bell is class and has not let England down

Stuart Broad? baffling how he get's in the side.There's no point playing an allrounder if he can't bat.move Prior to 6 and play a Onions/a another.....
that's 5 batsmen,5 bowlers and Prior as the allrounder...
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: charlie15 on February 26, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
Ahh, I kind of beat you so it on that one!

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I'll grudgingly give you that one!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2013, 07:04:29 PM
I've Said it before and I'll say it again, anybody who thinks Ian Bell shouldn't be in the test team for this summers Ashes is clueless!!!
You're free to discuss that with Scyld Berry, Gideon Haigh, Mike Atherton and all the others who have expressed their doubts if you'd like...
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: 19reading87 on February 26, 2013, 07:07:56 PM
You're free to discuss that with Scyld Berry, Gideon Haigh, Mike Atherton and all the others who have expressed their doubts if you'd like...

More than happy to! If Ian Bell shouldn't be in the team then neither should Trott or Pietersen
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 26, 2013, 07:13:31 PM
Reasonable 2011?  Similar to saying KP's knock vs SA last summer was 'ok...' Bell wasn't the only one at sea against Ajmal - of which there is only one - and I don't see a NZ debutant or Lyon worrying any of the England players, least of all Bell who many ex-pros (and the current management) feel is one of the best players of spin England have.

Yes, a reasonable 2011.  I know you can only beat whats put in front of you but the Sri Lankan, Indian and Aussie attacks that he scored runs off (as usual, immediately after someone else had done the same) were hardly stellar.  The South African attack that KP butchered, on the other hand - well, I'd love to se Bell bat like that against anyone, let alone an attack for the ages.

I take your point re; mental approach - I majored in Sports Psychology in elite players at Uni - to a point.  But to talk about fine margins in sport - he clears mid off and he's 'turned a corner,' or 'dominating from the off.'  One shot does not a mental disintegration make.  It was indeed, most likely, a result of his experiences with Ajmal, where he went totally into his shell.  Therefore, he'sadapting his approach and looking to rectify his previous mistakes...  What about the ton in the last test?  Trott gets applauded for his mental strength and ability, yet Bell gets ignored.  I genuinely feel that the old perceptions get rolled out every time he has an average series, or innings. 

Flintoff did a very similar thing against Shane Warne in the Edgbaston test 2005  when in hopeless form, so I see the point you are trying to make.  I do, however, think its a load of codswallop - aside from the key differences such as Flintoff being a naturally rustic player selected as a bowler who bats rather than one of your supposedly prime players, it WASN'T HIS FIRST BALL IN THE MIDST OF A COLLAPSE!

In some players we might say, ah well, it was an aberration, but from Bell?  The same guy who practically burst into tears when Shane Warne called him the Shermanator?  Who makes all his runs aftr someone else has already softened up the ball and the attack for him? Who has serially bottled it?  No.  It was concrete evidence of a guy who doesn't deserve to be feted in the way that he is.

The beauty of cricket - or any sport at elite level - is that you cannot say, 100%, that any individual player is guaranteed to save a test match, or score a goal, or make a putt - Berry's point is mute, because there aren't any players' you can rely on at, say, 50-4 with a day to go to save a game.  Bell isn't guaranteed to do so, but he has in the recent past 'saved' games against SA in SA, Australia at home and India in the last series.  You suggest that Bairstow and Root DEFINITELY can.  After 2-3 test matches?  Are they more likely to than Bell?  I would pick Bell, at the present time, over Compton, Bairstow, Morgan, Bopara, Taylor and any other emerging playe

No, there are no givens.  But if you were told that you would die if an English batsman couldn't last 45 overs against a top attack, I reckon Bell would be the last guy you'd ask to bat for you.  You cite some examples but, well, Brigadeer Block did most of the work in two and his doubtless career saving century in the last test in India came - no shocks here with Bell - after the top four had done the hard work and broken the backs of Indian resistance already.  Meanwhile, the players you'd leave out....well, where was Bell when Bairstow fended off Steyn, Philander and Morkel almost single handed?  And where was he when Jor Root ON DEBUT held the first innings together?  Oh, yeah, he'd got out, to shockingly inappropriate shots both times...



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Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 26, 2013, 07:25:18 PM
I think Bell is the best looking batsmen we have, and on his day is pure class. HOWEVER, I don't think in my opinion he's that good that I wouldn't be looking to Root/Bairstow. I'd be throwing them in the mix now to see if they can handle it BEFORE the ashes.

I'd keep compton personally as I don't think he's done anything wrong, plus with root at 5, Bairstow at 6 that's perfect breeding ground for Root as a future opener and Bairstow as our future middle order player. Defo agree that we have more pressing issues.. Broad! He hasn't be upto the quality for a long time and is living on his past few glories.

Anyway, I don't expect Bell to be dropped as he seem's undropable from the current England side. We are starting to get to many 30 something batsmen which although is their 'prime', it's also closer to past their prime. We need to have a couple of mid 20's in there learning their trade.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: thecord on February 26, 2013, 08:04:18 PM
Would M&H not want him to use the stickers for the bats that they are actually selling to the retail trade? I would have thought so personally so I think he is more likely to end up with one of those. The other option is for M&H to push the retro branding more but I can't see it happening really
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 27, 2013, 09:12:45 AM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-england-2013/engine/current/match/569236.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-england-2013/engine/current/match/569236.html)

I knew he would get a ton after yesterdays conversations. I wonder what his username on the forum is ;)
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 09:14:44 AM
More than happy to! If Ian Bell shouldn't be in the team then neither should Trott or Pietersen

Really?  Because they've shown so much mental weakness in the past haven't they!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 09:15:40 AM
I knew he would get a ton after yesterdays conversations. I wonder what his username on the forum is ;)

doesn;t change a damn thing though, does it?  First time the pressure is on, we all know what will happen!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 27, 2013, 09:19:53 AM
I didn't say all is forgiven, just think irony is a funny thing haha

I'm not his biggest fan mate, will just be interesting to see how it all pans out this summer!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Binsy on February 27, 2013, 09:27:44 AM
Bell has to be, and will be, in the side for the Ashes this summer. I'm not sure what the rush is to replace him anyway? In the current side we can accommodate Compton, Root and Bell and who else are we suggesting to replace Bell? Bairstow? Had a stunning knock against SA but has gone off the boil since to the point where he has been jettisoned in the ODI and T20 sides. I know that was partly due to external issues, but I'm not sure we should be rushing him back in. IMO, Taylor is probably next in line and has enhanced his reputation on the Lions tour.

However, Bell has been a mainstay of a strong England side for a while and should not be dropped. Papers always need something to write about and it's harder to do when England are actually playing well. More focus should be on the third seamer, as we have carried Broad for several series now.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 09:33:36 AM
Bairstow had two stunning knocks against SA and has hardly had a chance since!

Bell, meanwhile, has consistently bottled it! 
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: The_Bird on February 27, 2013, 09:49:44 AM
Bairstow had two stunning knocks against SA and has hardly had a chance since!
Bell, meanwhile, has consistently bottled it!

Bairstow's family problems came at the wrong time and Root grabbed his opportunity with both hands and both feet!

can't blame the selectors for that.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: wilkie113 on February 27, 2013, 09:51:50 AM
The thing with Bell is, he'll have one good knock then everyone gets off his back for a while. Personally I don't think he's good enough. Scores runs when they don't really matter that much. Someone else should be given a chance
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 27, 2013, 09:52:53 AM
He's the Frank Lampard of cricket.

Bosh, there's another ton/30 yard screamer...that should get me another 10 caps
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: joeylough on February 27, 2013, 10:08:07 AM
He's the Frank Lampard of cricket.

Bosh, there's another ton/30 yard screamer...that should get me another 10 caps

Love it!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 10:20:19 AM
Bairstow's family problems came at the wrong time and Root grabbed his opportunity with both hands and both feet!

can't blame the selectors for that.

Factually inaccurate - he was dropped from the side for the first test to accommodate Pietersen, Compton and Ffat Sammy.  The first was a no-brainer, the second reasonable given the need for a specialist opener.  The third.....really?
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: The_Bird on February 27, 2013, 10:21:05 AM
Lampard is the 3rd all time record scorer for Chelsea, Bell isnt quite that Good!!

I'd compare Bell to Emile Heskey on his day unplayable but ultimatley hes crap.

Factually inaccurate - he was dropped from the side for the first test to accommodate Pietersen, Compton and Ffat Sammy.  The first was a no-brainer, the second reasonable given the need for a specialist opener.  The third.....really?

i read he went home due to family issues, maybe not then.

He was recalled for the 2nd test (albeit to cover for the birth of Bell's baby) then went home (for family reasons) allowing Root to muscle in.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: PedalsMcgrew on February 27, 2013, 10:31:01 AM
I have to agree about Bell, I've never been a fan (to say the least!) The thing with him is that he never inspires any confidence. In the tightest of situations he is the last player I want to see walking out of the dressing room. Yes, he 'looks good' but, honestly, how many times in his 80 odd (guess???) tests has he really toughed out a situation? 2? 3 max?

He has always had all the shots but he has always lacked a bit 'up top' and I see no evidence to suggest that this has changed.

Emile Heskey is a good one! Very similar.......
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
He was recalled for the 2nd test (albeit to cover for the birth of Bell's baby) then went home (for family reasons) allowing Root to muscle in.
Still not accurate I'm afraid - he was present with the squad when Root made his debut - he went home due to his mother's illness during the one day series.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 10:45:45 AM
Emile Heskey is a good one! Very similar.......

Indeed - Audley Harrison was the analogy that sprang to my mind.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: jamielsn15 on February 27, 2013, 10:51:37 AM
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I knew he would get a ton after yesterdays conversations. I wonder what his username on the forum is ;)


Manormanic I think...  ;)

You're right in that the knock in the warm up doesn't mean a thing.  Ultimately, time will tell.  He's at an age where he should be coming into the best form of his career.  Maybe this year's Ashes makes or breaks him as an international player.

Worth bearing in mind that you're always a better player when you're out of the side.  Bairstow, I have no doubt, will be a top, top player.  I'm not risk averse, but you do need to minimise it and I can totally understand if England's management are reluctant to pick both Root and Bairstow due to inexperience.  If the warm up game is anything to go by and that is the team they want to go with, continuing with Compton would back-up that thought - although not internationally experienced, he has put the time in as a pro.  Logic would suggest that, at present, Root is developing at a faster rate than Bairstow and that's why Bairstow is out of the side.

Audley Harrison is beyond comparison with anyone!
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 27, 2013, 10:55:08 AM
Audley Harrison won Prizefighter the other day...same as Bell getting a ton in a NZ warm up...means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I still think Michael Carberry should have got a go :(  (not a bitter Hants fan at all)
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: PedalsMcgrew on February 27, 2013, 10:59:19 AM
Audley Harrison won Prizefighter the other day...same as Bell getting a ton in a NZ warm up...means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I still think Michael Carberry should have got a go :(  (not a bitter Hants fan at all)

I still think Carbs is a good shout. There is no fitter guy in cricket than him, his fielding is still stunning and he looks to have a good heads on his shoulders. Ok, it's not a long term selection as he's now 30 odd but surely you pick your best players. If it's not Compton (who deserves a go) then it has to be Carbs opening for England.
Title: Re: Kieswetter sponsored by M&H
Post by: Binsy on February 27, 2013, 11:02:33 AM
Baffled by all the Bell-bashing. Test average of over 46 and 17 centuries. Not sure what more he can do. It's not as if anyone has yet suggested someone who could come in and take his place and play better than him.

And no, not Michael Carberry. Compton (rightly) has the opening spot for now but it is clear that this spot will eventually be filled by Root. As mentioned previously, Taylor is next in line.
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Post by: jamielsn15 on February 27, 2013, 11:05:33 AM
I still think Carbs is a good shout. There is no fitter guy in cricket than him, his fielding is still stunning and he looks to have a good heads on his shoulders. Ok, it's not a long term selection as he's now 30 odd but surely you pick your best players. If it's not Compton (who deserves a go) then it has to be Carbs opening for England.

Agree that Carberry, if given the same opportunity that Compton has had, had a good shout of becoming a decent Test player.  He had a horrible situation of knowing he had two tests (max) to make an impact and got left out after one.  Surprised he hasn't played in any ODIs...
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Post by: wilkie113 on February 27, 2013, 11:13:35 AM
I still think Carbs is a good shout. There is no fitter guy in cricket than him, his fielding is still stunning and he looks to have a good heads on his shoulders. Ok, it's not a long term selection as he's now 30 odd but surely you pick your best players. If it's not Compton (who deserves a go) then it has to be Carbs opening for England.

Pedals, your saying some wise things today mate!
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Post by: jamesisapayne on February 27, 2013, 11:14:18 AM
Looks like there's quite few bell haters out there. Shame really.
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Post by: Riddy on February 27, 2013, 11:14:37 AM
no way should carberry be anywhere near the team.

Taylor is the one who should feel aggreived if anyone.
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Post by: Binsy on February 27, 2013, 11:15:57 AM
no way should carberry be anywhere near the team.

Taylor is the one who should feel aggreived if anyone.

True and True.
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Post by: jamielsn15 on February 27, 2013, 11:20:10 AM
Look at it this way, the future's bright for England if Root, Bairstow and Taylor are as good as we all think they are.  Add Cook into the mix and that's not a bad top four in 5 or so years time.

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Post by: Liam-SCCC on February 27, 2013, 11:23:57 AM
And the award for the topic that has gone of subject dramatically goes to......................
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Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 11:32:29 AM
Carberry is an odd one in that he was a marmite selection when he went to Bangladesh despite three or four successive seasons of good, solid run scoring and a number of Daddy hundreds in the Championship, but was then dropped and cast aside straight away.

I suspect his inability to fly long distance rules him out now, but he will go down as one of those guys who were unlucky to play when they did.
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Post by: 19reading87 on February 27, 2013, 11:33:11 AM
Really?  Because they've shown so much mental weakness in the past haven't they!

Wow.... Just wow!!!
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Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 11:36:23 AM
I'm not risk averse, but you do need to minimise it and I can totally understand if England's management are reluctant to pick both Root and Bairstow due to inexperience. 

...but happy to pick to pick Bell despite his proven cowardice? ;)
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Post by: alba caerulea on February 27, 2013, 11:37:20 AM
Just clicked on this to see CKs sexy new M&H kit and all I saw were the ramblings of a bitter Yorkshireman

Bell will be at number 5 for the foreseeable future. End of story
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Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 27, 2013, 11:50:21 AM
...but happy to pick to pick Bell despite his proven cowardice? ;)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Belly tried to have a crack at your misuss? Or perhaps he spilt a drink on you in a bar somewhere...

;)

Where's JP when you need him
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Post by: jamielsn15 on February 27, 2013, 11:52:24 AM
...but happy to pick to pick Bell despite his proven cowardice? ;)

Split debate on here suggests anything but conclusively proven.  Hey - Flower, Gooch, Giles, KP and Cook like him!  ;)


Bell will be at number 5 for the foreseeable future. End of story

Agree.  Manormanic, there's your opp to have the last word.  Now; what's this about Kieswetter's new kit?
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Post by: justnotcricket86 on February 27, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
I do like the look of the new MH bags...the big boy (T1) I think looks very much like the Adidas England bags
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Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 12:00:58 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Belly tried to have a crack at your misuss? Or perhaps he spilt a drink on you in a bar somewhere...

The other half refers to him as "rat boy" so I reckon I'm safe there...now if Cooky had a pop I might be in trouble!
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Post by: joeylough on February 27, 2013, 01:02:00 PM
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/387572.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/387572.html)

This innings with Colly helped england gain a draw.
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Post by: tushar sehgal on February 27, 2013, 01:10:54 PM
I think apples are so much better than oranges, unless turned into a juice then oranges are better than apples....its all opinions :)

now lets see some kit pics :D
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Post by: PedalsMcgrew on February 27, 2013, 01:31:23 PM
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/387572.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/387572.html[/url])

This innings with Colly helped england gain a draw.


Fair enough! But find another 1 or 2?.....In 83 tests I shouldn't imagine it would be too hard...........or would it?
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Post by: Manormanic on February 27, 2013, 01:37:49 PM
Fair enough! But find another 1 or 2?.....In 83 tests I shouldn't imagine it would be too hard...........or would it?
at the risk of having a very reasonable point and strong argument derailed by weight of posts on the subject, I have to agree with you here.  I also recall the awful shot that Bell got out to in that very innings, which was hardly commensurate with a batsman trying to save a test!
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Post by: Nickauger on February 27, 2013, 01:42:12 PM
After facing more balls than Collingwood lol. I agree however, that Bell is pea-hearted more often than lion-hearted!
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Post by: tim2000s on February 27, 2013, 03:52:45 PM
So... We have established that more of the more vocal contributors to the forum dislike Bell than like Bell, in this and many other topics.

Now, has anyone actually got any pictures of some saffa with his new M&H kit?
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Post by: Manormanic on February 28, 2013, 12:17:35 AM
Errrr, nope - we might have stayed on track if we had! ;)
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Post by: jamesisapayne on April 14, 2013, 08:33:54 PM
Now, has anyone actually got any pictures of some saffa with his new M&H kit?

I popped down to see one of the warm up fixtures and he's using an amplus. Not sure about the pads/gloves but they look like T1's - all plain white.

The bat sounded awesome!
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Post by: wilkie113 on April 14, 2013, 08:37:09 PM
So... We have established that more of the more vocal contributors to the forum dislike Bell than like Bell, in this and many other topics.

Now, has anyone actually got any pictures of some saffa with his new M&H kit?


(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/156500/156541.jpg)
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Post by: ItsJustCricket on April 14, 2013, 10:43:09 PM
Definitely not the T1 pads! Look like these to me: http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-batting-pads-c7/senior-batting-pads-c23/millichamp-hall-t2-batting-pads-p675 (http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-batting-pads-c7/senior-batting-pads-c23/millichamp-hall-t2-batting-pads-p675)
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Post by: Liam-SCCC on April 14, 2013, 10:48:40 PM
They are the old distinction ones if that makes sense! When a player uses gear from a smaller brand its nice to see what other gear they like to use when not covered by a contract. Ie Masuri helmet and adidas shoes. Kirby has also gone back to his Ayrtek after having to wear a GN

Although think somerset may be sponsored by Masuri this year, they were Albion but the majority are wearing Masuri now, even Trescothick who hasn't since the start of his career!
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Post by: ProCricketer1982 on April 14, 2013, 10:53:30 PM
So... We have established that more of the more vocal contributors to the forum dislike Bell than like Bell, in this and many other topics.

Back to the main topic... Bell   :)
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Post by: Steveo1000 on April 14, 2013, 11:07:57 PM
I think Paul IJC is correct about Kieswetter's pads in that they are the T2.
The old distinction pads have brown leather straps and a brown leather patch at the bottom on the front.
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Post by: Liam-SCCC on April 14, 2013, 11:33:30 PM
Thats what I meant, the T2 are the old distinction pads without the tan leather
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Post by: siridurrani on May 07, 2013, 10:22:03 PM
hes got to have a good season though. look at Hildreth. did exactly the same and hasnt even been mentioned for england since.

Too right, Hildy had two good seasons too was on the fringes and just fell away, doing it for the lions doesn't necessarily mean you'll do it when you get to the top level