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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: jamielsn15 on March 20, 2013, 07:04:37 AM
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This article should spark some debate...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/mar/19/the-spin-brian-lara-sachin-tendulkar (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/mar/19/the-spin-brian-lara-sachin-tendulkar)
Thoughts? Although I don't necessarily agree, I particularly like the comment; "Sachin starts to look like Kallis without the wickets" - one word; brave!
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Kallis IS much better than Tendulkar so I can't see a problem. Tendulkar has been over-rated for years
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Bit of a tough call saying someone with 100 centuries and 163 fifties is overrated. Still averaging 54 after 197 tests. I'd like to be that overrated
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Good article that. Got to agree though Kallis is the best cricketer all round that I have ever seen. Would sooner watch Lara though at his peak above Kallis or Tendulkar. When he was in full flow he was just awesome to watch. I used to love watching him play spin and toy with the bowlers. I think it says it all how when you read the autobiographies of all the past Aussies from that era like Mcgrath, Warne, Langer, Hayden, Gilchrist, Waugh etc you get the impression they respected and feared Lara more than any other player.
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I much preferred to watch Lara bat. The guy was awesome!
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To call someone who has scored 100 centuries, played at the highest level for more than 2 decades "over rated" is ignorance. Kallis is a better all rounder but Sachin is a better batsman . But would rather watch Lara in full flow ...he was a treat ...
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on cricinfo Mark Nicholas had to do an article on the best after Bradman and went for Sobers.
Personally I would say that for pure exileration, nothing beats Lara (well maybe Viv, actually - this is nuts...), I remember being glued to the TV during his 153 against the Austrailians.
I would loved to have seen Barry Richards bat though...
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Its difficult to say who is the best - Viv Richards will always be my favourite, followed by Tendulkar then Lara with the "fat blocker with an eye on his average" a distant fourth, but there is in truth very little to call between them.
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I love people taking the bite :D ..... IDIOTS!!!!
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on cricinfo Mark Nicholas had to do an article on the best after Bradman and went for Sobers.
Personally I would say that for pure exileration, nothing beats Lara (well maybe Viv, actually - this is nuts...), I remember being glued to the TV during his 153 against the Austrailians.
I would loved to have seen Barry Richards bat though...
Just for you Buzz... Barry Richards showing he still had it long after retirement
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All in their prime were fairly equal with each bringing a different aspect/attribute to the game. I wish I had a time machine so we get them all together against some of the best bowlers ever and that would a match to watch for ages.
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It's a mute argument as you can't really compare as for me best batsmen I've seen was Viv but you have to look at stats to an extent but thinking that no matter what anyone tells me sobers has to be best all round cricketer of all time
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a MUTE argument? one where no noise is made?
Surely a MOOT point...!
;)
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I've had 3 hours sleep in 2 days give an old fart a break
Then again mute could be a funnier argument
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on cricinfo Mark Nicholas had to do an article on the best after Bradman and went for Sobers.
He did but he automatically ruled-out anyone that had the luxury of wearing a helmet during their international career
Tendulkar for me in this debate
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a MUTE argument? one where no noise is made?
Surely a MOOT point...!
;)
The most annoying thing about this forum is the number of times a bat (or whatever) is described as 'top draw' instead of top drawer!
Drives me crazy!
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If its between Lara and Tendulkar, for me it is Lara, when he got going one of the nicest batsman to watch.
To be fair I would put Viv above both of them.
A better comparison that needs doing is the best all rounder does anyone put Beefy up there?
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Lara for me
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for me its got to be Lara over Tendulkar, and as for all rounders it's got to be Sobers although Kallis has to be right up there
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Lara is much better than tendulkar. I loved the arrogance Lara had when walking out to bat, then proceed to take apart the bowling attack with beautiful stroke making and also powerful hitting.
Lara's 153* vs Australia in Barbados is by far the greatest test innings I've ever seen, also in that series he hit 213 in the second test and a 84 ball century in the final test. Lara made so many bowlers around the world look second rate.
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Lara for me too, did it in a poor team on some dodgy wickets at home.
Viv above them both though. He was 20 years ahead of everyone else.
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Lara definitely had the swagger and backed it up against the aussies, not forgetting his 500 not out and 375no and then breaking the world record again with 400!!
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Tendulkar has the stats, Lara had the X Factor - would sooner watch Lara any day of the week...
Agree that Viv was superior to both though. Tony Cozier did an interview and said that Lara underachieved - he should've been averaging 80. Imagine what he'd have been like in the Windies team of the 80s?!
Hate to think the reaction this thread would be getting on cricinfo...
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(IMHO) Of the last 20 years, Lara the best batsman, Kallis the best cricketer, Tendulkar... the most effective batsman? That sounds like an insult (and massively wrong) but I don't know how else to put it. Lara had a purity and individual style that is unmatched. Basically a swagger merchant with record breaking batting to back it up.
We can probably ignore The Don, Sobers and King Vivi in this debate, I think it's more current than that.
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Barry Richards is a good shout from the previous generation
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Oooh well done LNB for mentioning lara's genius 153 against the old enemy to win that match in barbados.
Lara was a mecurial and gifted player who would of been a great in any era.he was never going to still be playing at 40.when the mood left him he stopped playing.
Stats will show SRT a better player but you cant use stats alone.
Both are great Lara was a genius thou.
Of lara,srt and iva: richards was the best player ive seen and bettet than both of them.
Never seen a player as good as viv.
There....ive got that off my chest :)
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I would say Tendulkar is a superior batsman. To score runs consistantly over 20 years is an amazing achievement. Lara was more explosive throughout his career, but the early tendulkar was just asaggresive.
Also there is a certain romance of a bygone era. Everything seems better and cricket is no different. Tendulkar is a genius. His batting technique is perfect, like bradman's, he said so himself!
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Lara is much better than tendulkar. I loved the arrogance Lara had when walking out to bat, then proceed to take apart the bowling attack with beautiful stroke making and also powerful hitting.
Lara's 153* vs Australia in Barbados is by far the greatest test innings I've ever seen, also in that series he hit 213 in the second test and a 84 ball century in the final test. Lara made so many bowlers around the world look second rate.
Agree! He was a world class batsman, especially with the lack of left handed batsmen in world cricket he made the game look so effortless and a joy to watch-appealed to all ages!
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And he played in a team with one other batsman !! Tendulkar played in a team full of great batsman in their own right.
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Brian Lara 153* vs Australia 1999 Barbados (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz--5hHmNEY#)
He slaps one cover drive in this that's phenomenal.
Tendulkar is the Mercedes, Lara the Maserati.
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For me, Tendulkar is more of an efficient run-getter, while Lara was less consistent, but more touched by genius. No contest as to who I'd pay my money to watch, Brian Charles all the way...
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this was a debate on sky sports ive coverage during the second test, it was decided ont here that lara was the man to watch but tendulka would be the guy to put your life on, however kallis has been the best all round player ever
this is the typical pub debate and no right answer all 3 have epic stats but id say kallis with the wickets and catches just edges it
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You need to pick one of them to feature in your third XI and you are trying to beat a Premier League team in a cup match...
Who do you pick? Always Kallis in my book.
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You need to pick one of them to feature in your third XI and you are trying to beat a Premier League team in a cup match...
Who do you pick? Always Kallis in my book.
That almost goes without saying, but that takes into account their all-round ability, which of course puts Kallis miles ahead. In terms of batting as a single entity, Lara is class, he just makes it look fun, when he plays you can see the passion in the strokes, it's not always efficiency or "textbook" per se, but it's just bloomin' glorious. There is that touch of genius in his batting, the same genius that KP/de Villiers/Sehwag have, that ability to almost do what they want.
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Actually, I'd be inclined to take Richards - his swagger would intimidate the opposition, and he'd be a galvanising force on teh team (plus his offies would block up an end nicely). Oh, and I'd be sure that he wouldn't do what Jacques would and bat slowly for himself...
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Actually, I'd be inclined to take Richards - his swagger would intimidate the opposition, and he'd be a galvanising force on teh team (plus his offies would block up an end nicely). Oh, and I'd be sure that he wouldn't do what Jacques would and bat slowly for himself...
Well I was just answering the title question, so neeeeurgh ;) to be honest I think most of us would take Richards, be it Viv or Barry (or both!). But Viv... Yeah, I wouldn't wanna get on his bad side. What a player!
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I would go with Tendulkar over Lara, but as several others have said IVA Richards over them both. I was never a massive fan of Lara's batting style, always frustrated me that most of his runs came square of the wicket. There is nothing better that a straight drive back past the bowler in my opinion and he rarely hit straight drives.
I guess I was spoilt being brought up watching Richards and Botham at the County Ground in Somerset.
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Has to be tendulkar as he looked so confident at the crease.
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Barry Richards is a good shout from the previous generation
Most South Africans would tell you that Barry Richards wasn't even the best player in their team
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I have to go with Lara. big big fan...
some of his shots would just amaze me.
tendulkar has calmed down his aggression but not with lara he
was consistently a positive player. there are numerous examples
he would dispatch bowlers for 15 to 20 runs an over in a test match.
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I would rather watch Lara, but I would prefer Tendulkar in my team