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Title: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Jogetnz on May 03, 2013, 06:11:01 PM
With less than two weeks to go till the first test the lack of chatter on here about this series is interesting. It probably reflects how lowly regarded the NZers are and that the focus is on the Ashes later in the year, all of which I can understand.

I sense a great opportunity for NZ to fly in under the radar and scupper a few players Ashes dreams of glory.

(Taylor and McCullam have been released early from the IPL to join the team, doubt if they will sit next to each other or even be on the same plane)
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Manormanic on May 03, 2013, 09:49:50 PM
I expect England to win this - pitches with a bit of life in them will not suit the NZ batsmen - though I think it might give the Australians a bit of hope as once again we see that England's batting is subject to stress
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Jogetnz on May 09, 2013, 08:32:55 AM
Who out of the Lions playing today need to perform well to retain their Test place or is anyone on the cusp needing just a good showing to force their way in?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 09, 2013, 09:02:37 AM
I think that the usual side will play the 1st game except from KP.

Cook, Compton, Trott, Bell, Root, Bairstow, Prior, Broad, Swann, Finn, Anderson?

I hope for their sake that Root and Bairstow will perform and do well. Not really sure who would come in instead of them! James Taylor?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: petehosk on May 09, 2013, 11:15:02 AM
If NZ team perform to the best of their ability, then they are capable of an upset.
All you need is a couple of their batsmen commanding soe high scores and their bowling attack bowling well as a unit, and you never know!
Obviously England are favourites but I just hope that England will not be complacent about NZ!!!

The only thing that I get annoyed about is that Sky Sports show County matches and other matches that are not always at a decent level. And yet they are not showing this Lions v NZ match!  ???
Nothing wrong with County matches and they generally concentrate on the 40 and 20 over matches, rather than the longer versions. But it would have been ideal if Sky would have just put together an hour of the Highlights from the Lions NZ match at the end of each day?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: cooter on May 10, 2013, 02:09:43 PM
would love to see highlights of the lions game against the kiwis,what an idea. also england will whitewash new zealand, no problem on home turf!!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: PedalsMcgrew on May 10, 2013, 02:13:51 PM
Highlights from England Lions v New Zealand - Day 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-lqzCU9He8#ws)

Your welcome  ;)
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on May 10, 2013, 05:23:34 PM
Who out of the Lions playing today need to perform well to retain their Test place or is anyone on the cusp needing just a good showing to force their way in?

Carbs may have a case to argue as hes constently scored runs for the Lions
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Jogetnz on May 16, 2013, 07:32:41 AM
How's the weather looking for a start on time?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 16, 2013, 07:39:07 AM
Perfect for cricket.!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: 400notout on May 16, 2013, 07:45:27 AM
I've got Trent Boult on for series wicket taker, hopefully he stays fit and gets some swing going!
Hope Lords isn't as flat as eveyone has said so far this year!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 08:28:43 AM
The real start of summer is the first test match! Hopefully the weather holds out and we get to see some cricket!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Tail Ender on May 16, 2013, 08:58:21 AM
For the ignorant (or me, who can't be bothered looking it up right now), when does the first test start? Can I expect to flick the box on when I get home and be greeted by some test cricket today?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 09:00:04 AM
Today, 11am!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Jogetnz on May 16, 2013, 09:03:06 AM
For the ignorant (or me, who can't be bothered looking it up right now), when does the first test start? Can I expect to flick the box on when I get home and be greeted by some test cricket today?

About 5pm your time if you are in Perth?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Tail Ender on May 16, 2013, 09:03:32 AM
Effin' brilliant. Better make sure Fox Sports is carrying it here (they usually do).

Edit - they are! 6pm start time in Perth. Once the little one goes to bed, the TV is mine! :D
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 09:11:46 AM
Do enioy a little bit of test cricket. Agnew said on twitter that Bresnan is warming up like he's going to be playing...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 09:31:58 AM
Scratch that. Bresnan wasn't even in the 12 haha
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Nickauger on May 16, 2013, 09:34:14 AM
Horrendous product placement from Cook, Compton and Prior!!! Why are the openers the only ones lining up with their bats!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 09:38:38 AM
I didn't really understand that either. Surely everybody should do it or none at all?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Nickauger on May 16, 2013, 09:40:48 AM
Correct, although looking at the making of bit that came next they all cam out with bats. Maybe its because they are the openes? and when each batsman comes in they'll show the one wit hthe bat!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 09:42:41 AM
Yeah, that sounds like it could be what is happening! Would make sense I guess haha. Something different from Sky Sports and I doubt the players' sponsors will be moaning either :D
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: cricketbadger on May 16, 2013, 10:12:51 AM
Compton looking out of nick this morning, early doors, but he hasnt had the greatest start to the season
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: The_Bird on May 16, 2013, 10:15:27 AM
Compton looking out of nick this morning, early doors, but he hasnt had the greatest start to the season

Not compared to last year but he has had a 50 and a 105*. I'd take that start.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: cricketbadger on May 16, 2013, 10:16:48 AM
yeh suppose I was unfair comparing him to last year, Root has started like Compton last year
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 10:17:28 AM
Compton looking out of nick this morning, early doors, but he hasnt had the greatest start to the season

Hopefully he just sticks to it, stays out in the middle and grafts his runs. I'n a big fan of Compton so really do hope that he does well and gets a big score. It was good to see the little bit of analysis Nasser did for where he actually has his toes sticking up in the air on the point of the bowlers release. I do tend to agree that he possibly does stand a little to straight but he's the international cricketer and not me :D
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 11:36:54 AM
What a horrible shot from Compton to get out to...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Kulli on May 16, 2013, 11:38:26 AM
Especially form a guy who's reputation is built on patience and batting long periods.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: cricketbadger on May 16, 2013, 11:40:32 AM
blessing in disguise that wicket
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Nickauger on May 16, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
blessing in disguise that wicket

How is any wicket on the first morning of a test match a blessing in disguise. What a stupid thing to say!!! Are you Manormanic in disguise ;)
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 11:56:12 AM
Surely you would have thought runs wasn't an issue on day 1. Just bat until lunch and then re-assess!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: MD2812 on May 16, 2013, 11:58:14 AM
Listening to TMS, Boycott came onto the waves a minute before that wicket. His rant certainly made the morning entertaining!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: cricketbadger on May 16, 2013, 11:58:53 AM
Personally from a spectators point of view, I dont enjoy watching him bat, so not disappointed to see the back of him
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 12:09:56 PM
I think he is a typical grafter of runs. Trott will come in now at 3 and just play his way accumulating his runs. I would say the one thing with this line up of top 6 is there are no specialist batsman who you would say takes the game away from the oppo like KP. I know there are not many players who have KPs ability. (Totally excluding the gun Prior at 7!).
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Tail Ender on May 16, 2013, 01:02:43 PM
Boult vs Cook at the moment is cracking. Boult's line is excellent and Cook seems uncomfortable and like he's just hanging in (lucky to survive that lbw appeal IMO).
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: sgcricket on May 16, 2013, 01:10:22 PM
and cook is gone!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: sgcricket on May 16, 2013, 01:11:21 PM
personally i have found the play to be a bit boring. its not the slow scoring rate. too many deliveries that could be left alone. having said that boult has been good. making the batsmen play.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 01:13:58 PM
Boult has bowled well IMO. I think that his style of bowling really suits the English conditions!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: cricketbadger on May 16, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
personally i have found the play to be a bit boring. its not the slow scoring rate. too many deliveries that could be left alone. having said that boult has been good. making the batsmen play.

I agree, they have got away with a few loose deliveries, all very slow, lack of action so far pretty dull viewing
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
I agree, they have got away with a few loose deliveries, all very slow, lack of action so far pretty dull viewing

It certainly hasn't been the greatest. It definitely has the feeling of everybody just trying to feel their way into the summer. Ian Bell is also no longer a masuri wearer - got a Kook' helmet now as well!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: The_Bird on May 16, 2013, 01:25:17 PM
It is test match cricket...too many people watching IPL recently! NZ bowling with discipline and England not playing rash shots (bar Compton), a good contest.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Tail Ender on May 16, 2013, 01:28:05 PM
I'm really enjoying it, personally. It's been a good, old fashioned true battle between the bat and ball. Boult bowling particularly well, Southee looking good; batsmen are wary of the line and swinging ball, checking shots as a result and putting away the loose ones. What's not to enjoy?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: The_Bird on May 16, 2013, 01:31:56 PM
Exactly, its proper cricket.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: cricketbadger on May 16, 2013, 01:34:22 PM
Yes it is proper cricket, but even in test matches you can expect a run rate abov 2 for a session and a few more boundaries.

Was going to mention Bell's helmet, thought it was just a new grill, but upon closer inspection does look like a kookaburra, suprising
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 16, 2013, 01:44:39 PM
I can't stand the IPL so can't be included ;) I've still just watched it all on the box, just nice to see some cricket bacl!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 10:20:11 AM
Anybody got any predictions for todays play? Some runs for Bairstow would certainly help his case.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: morgzy10 on May 17, 2013, 10:43:16 AM
root to end the day with a ton and bairstow to fall in the 70's
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Number4 on May 17, 2013, 11:08:06 AM
With the run rate as it is has Boycott made a come back? With Trott having the highest strike rate that's a worry. You thought the test in NZ was boring.... Boringggggggggg
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 17, 2013, 11:12:20 AM
This pitch is looking pretty hard to play on...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 11:14:16 AM
Root out for 40 caught down the leg side off Southee. I'd be fuming!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 11:16:27 AM
 Prior out first ball, oh dear...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: PedalsMcgrew on May 17, 2013, 11:23:26 AM
England only have themselves to blame. The performance yesterday, was awful. The way they played Bruce Martin was embarrassing!

Ian Bell blocked out 47 dot balls out of 50 balls he faced from the guy??!?!?! That is appalling. Now that the ball is starting to do something and they need to push the score along they've hit problems.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: morgzy10 on May 17, 2013, 11:24:18 AM
i stand corrected   eng all out for 230
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: morgzy10 on May 17, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
bye bye broad
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 17, 2013, 11:25:34 AM
England all out for 210 at this rate.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 11:27:18 AM
England bowlers need to perform well when they get out there. Early wickets and pile the pressure on the NZ boys.Jimmy Anderson will enjoy the Duke back in his hand!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 17, 2013, 11:33:03 AM
Given the struggles of England's batting against the Kiwis the Ashes is going to be much closer than many may have thought...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 11:34:41 AM
Lets just hope that this is just another one of England's poor starts to a series, positive thinking and all of that?

Look at Finny with his new woodworm gear, found a new sponsor after his performance in NZ ;)
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: PedalsMcgrew on May 17, 2013, 11:39:21 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Bairstow. He's got to open up a bit now, if he gets out (which is likely) he'll be criticised heavily. If he doesn't open up he'll be criticized for not taking responsibility! Test cricket eh? Love it!  :D
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 12:07:25 PM
Not that it is really that related to this series but Strauss is going to be part of the commentary team for both of the back to back ashes series for Sky.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: rbblack on May 17, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
Who's Finns new bat sponsor then? I can't watch and they didn't allude to it on TMS.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: sgcricket on May 17, 2013, 12:15:43 PM
woodworm
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 12:16:40 PM
Who's Finns new bat sponsor then? I can't watch and they didn't allude to it on TMS.

Woodworm mate, is it Bresnan who is now Woodworm as well?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: morgzy10 on May 17, 2013, 01:00:34 PM
yeah bresnan is so is hoggard i believe.

Why do you think Adidas got rid of finn? lack of exposure and stick to their big two in kp and sachin?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 01:03:41 PM
Not a clue. Does anybody know if Rory Hamilton Brown is still with Adidas?

Bairstow is going well, plodding on. Cue him getting out - massive jinx no doubt.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Riddy on May 17, 2013, 01:07:01 PM
finn :(
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: morgzy10 on May 17, 2013, 01:15:05 PM
hamilton brown still is off the top of my head
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 01:19:40 PM
I thought I read somewhere that he wasnt, probably wrong mind.
Roll on England skittling NZ... pretty please!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: morgzy10 on May 17, 2013, 01:23:23 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/overtherope/8684519650/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/overtherope/8684519650/)

a picture from the surry v sussex match this season
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: wilkie113 on May 17, 2013, 01:34:17 PM
Well Jimmy, that was a good ball!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: morgzy10 on May 17, 2013, 01:37:53 PM
Jim will do well methinks,  after seeing the movement and swing the kiwis were getting, this is right up his alley
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: SelectCricket on May 17, 2013, 01:39:13 PM
Williamson averaging 32.5?!

Definite weak link in the side.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Nickauger on May 17, 2013, 01:47:29 PM
Williamson averaging 32.5?!

Definite weak link in the side.

Worryingly before the last couple series, I would have thought he was averaging a lot less than that!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 01:59:01 PM
And that is the big 300. Congrats Jimmy :D
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Riddy on May 17, 2013, 02:06:43 PM
we will skittle them for under 150.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 17, 2013, 02:09:16 PM
Well done Jimmy. Only the fourth Englishman to get to 300 wickets... Can he get to 400? Theoretically, if he had an amazing year, then yes!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: The_Bird on May 17, 2013, 02:25:52 PM
Why do you think he'll only play for one more year???
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: rbblack on May 17, 2013, 02:28:06 PM
Vaughn on TMS saying that Jimmy had mentioned to him he'd like to play until he's 40!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 17, 2013, 02:34:47 PM
Why do you think he'll only play for one more year???
He's taken roughly 2.5 years per hundred wickets, post his first 100. So he'd be 32/33 if he maintains the rate that he's going at.

It's certainly achievable, but I think it will be easier if he has an amazing year!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: The_Bird on May 17, 2013, 02:51:22 PM
10 ashes tests will help his cause as well.

Gotta love Ian Smith, he just absolutely owned Athers and Hussain.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 02:57:32 PM
Ian Smith is hilarious!  Ripping into Athers and Nasser. All a good laugh
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 17, 2013, 03:30:53 PM
So is Ross Taylor playing a completely different game?  Run a ball 48, going strong.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 17, 2013, 06:50:16 PM
I don't think Ross Taylor was playing a different game, just broad and Finn bowling much to shift on a slow pitch. Just plain stupid bowling and we really gave far too many runs away.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on May 17, 2013, 06:53:44 PM
Anyone going to the Eng vs NZ Champ Trophy at Cardiff on Sunday 16th?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Steveo1000 on May 17, 2013, 10:24:57 PM
Stuart Broad makes me so angry. Why is he playing?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: potzy248 on May 18, 2013, 04:36:12 AM
If we (NZ) had two world class opening batsman we would be very good team. Good young bowlers, Good fielders, Good captain, good middle order. Can't wait for the 3rd days play.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: rawpace on May 18, 2013, 03:39:40 PM
Watling injured, McCullum back keeping - but interestingly without any pads!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Jogetnz on May 21, 2013, 10:05:49 PM
Stuart Broad makes me so angry. Why is he playing?

Nice response from Broad to this. Hard to watch as a NZer but great bowling.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 21, 2013, 10:11:16 PM
I thought that New Zealand had played some good cricket over the first 3 1/2 days. Southee bowled well too IMO. Just that last innings where Broad ae to the show.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 22, 2013, 08:59:37 AM
What was the key to this match do we think? Was it that finally, Broad had a little bat that made him confident enough to bowl well? That was an amazing spell on Sunday morning... Or was it the pitch and conditions that actually made the difference?

Are we overlooking the contribution of Root, without whom the Jimmy and Stuey wouldn't have had anything to bowl at?

I thought that Broad bowled very well, and in England at least, if he keeps it like that then he is going to be tough to deal with over the coming summer. I think our batting is looking more brittle than it has in a long time. This may just be form, but we shall see.

Given the next match is at Headingley, should we persist with Finn or give Big Tim a shot? Has our top order batting been so bad that we might take this more prudent approach, and it being his home ground, can he take better advantage of it than Steve Finn did on his?

Finally, will Prior fail again? Has his purple patch come to an end? I sincerely hope not, but that pair was not a glorious way to start the International summer!!! WHat are your thoughts?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Manormanic on May 22, 2013, 09:08:22 AM
The key for me was that we won the toss and Cook made the right decision having done so.  Seriously - the biggest difference in that kind of low scoring match, especially with the majority of the movement being aerial, is that one side has to chase a total and is therefore under the mental pressure of knowing what is required rather than just going out and batting.  Broad bowled well on the final day - but if you analyse the wickets he took, only Rutherford got an unplayable ball and Fulton, Taylor and Williamson basically played rank bad shots.

In terms of England's batting, they miss Pietersen more than they would ever like to admit, as much as anything for his ability to dominate an attack.  As it stands, they have a top five who to one extent or another bat time and a number six who has had painfully little cricket in the last twelve months, added to which there are real questions over Compton's ability against top class bowling, Bell's temprament and Bairstow's readiness for test cricket...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Number4 on May 22, 2013, 09:09:11 AM
In my opinion Prior is one of the best wicketkeeper/batsman in the world and should stay right where he is
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: jamielsn15 on May 22, 2013, 09:11:10 AM
I think recent collapses are still raw in NZ's minds.  When they see an innings going that way, as it did on the fourth day, there isn't any batsman who has the mental capacity to stick around.  They have the ability (Taylor, McCullum - Williamson looks good) but not the application at present.

Definitely a bowler's pitch - the scores prove that, so anyone who sticks around and scores runs on that is in good nick.  No real surprise that player was Root (and Trott to a degree).  He's been in great form, scoring runs for fun and showing it on the big stage.

I'm not overly concerned about our batting - early season, the ball is going to do a bit and all our players are proven.  I agree that it could be the start of a great summer for Broad.  There may be a correlation in him bowling well and batting well - definitely a confidence player...

I have no worries at all about Prior - he's simply too good to let that affect him!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Manormanic on May 22, 2013, 09:16:27 AM
The thing with Broad is, every time he runs through a side he does it on the back of pitching the ball up a yard on his normal length.  Why then is he unable to take that knowledge and bowl that length more often?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Jogetnz on May 24, 2013, 08:03:21 AM
Weather update for the start of play today please?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Kulli on May 24, 2013, 08:09:00 AM
Forecast is good for the first 3 days play I think.

EDIT - seems to be a few showers forecast for today, but then no rain due in the next 3.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: 400notout on May 24, 2013, 08:45:23 AM
My money is firmly on a high scoring draw.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: tim2000s on May 24, 2013, 08:46:22 AM
Mine's on not a massive amount of play happening.....


Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Manormanic on May 24, 2013, 08:52:03 AM
Its Headingley - the pitch will *definitely* have been prepared with a full fifth day in the CEO....sorry the groundsman's mind...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: joeljonno on May 24, 2013, 09:31:33 AM
Its raining in Leeds city center and has been since about 9ish.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Wooly on May 24, 2013, 09:35:46 AM
It looks a bit grim
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: nudgemaster on May 24, 2013, 09:45:52 AM
No more than 30 overs play on day one.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 26, 2013, 02:47:18 PM
Due to not playing Sundays anymore, I've been watching todays play. We've down well today with Swann picking up some wickets!  Surprised that it looks like Cook has decided to bat again and not enforce the follow on...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on May 26, 2013, 09:05:08 PM
Was surprised cook also did not enforce the follow on.
But looks like trott decided to have a extremely slow net. 
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Buzz on May 26, 2013, 09:07:46 PM
personally I am not surprised the follow on wasn't enforced.
trott's batting was embarrassing.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Buzz on May 26, 2013, 09:09:48 PM
also sad for Compton as I think this will be his last game.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on May 26, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Yeah agree on compton. Looks like last game.
Really struggled, got stuck in block mode, missed out on quite a few half volleys.

Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Steveo1000 on May 26, 2013, 09:18:13 PM
Nice response from Broad to this. Hard to watch as a NZer but great bowling.
Not sure Broad was responding to me on here mate lol. Anyway, he does this once in a while when his place is at risk. Maybe he should play for the team and not just turn it on when he feels his place is at risk.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Tomm92 on May 26, 2013, 09:30:00 PM
Yeah agree on compton. Looks like last game.
Really struggled, got stuck in block mode, missed out on quite a few half volleys.
Yeah.. He was more scared than anything else. Trying so hard to impress and stay in bat, but forgot to score runs and enjoy the game! There was a huge difference between cook and compton, cook had freedom to play as he was under no real pressure, but compton had a lot of pressure to perform. He tried too hard and had no freedom.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 27, 2013, 12:10:58 AM
I'm a little bit gutted for Compton. I always like seeing the new players come up from the county circuit. I think his reaction after getting out today said it all, he knew that he needed runs but it just didn't happen. I don't think that the door is completely closed as of yet. If he goes back to Somerset and gets some big scores and confidence back he could still be in that line up come the first test. Would it be Root shot straight up the order or Trott to go to 2 like some of the commentators suggested? All I hope for though is that if Root was to be pushed that he didn't fail and struggle.  He's had a good start and just hope it can contimue, like every England supporter!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: petehosk on May 27, 2013, 07:32:18 AM
There are two county matches Somerset are playing and I'm sure they will be seeing if Compton gets his confidence back. In my opinion the third match will be the most important for him as Somerset will be playing Australia - if he bats well against the Aussies in that match then it may just save his place for England! If he fails then (assuming KP is fit to play) I suspect that Compton will miss out!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: potzy248 on May 27, 2013, 10:33:36 AM
I cannot for the life of me remember a Kiwi being in form for numerous games. I'm confined to the fact that our batsman are never in form.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: DiscoStu on May 27, 2013, 01:59:21 PM
Seriously, what else is there to do in Yorkshire on a Bank Holiday Monday? The attendance at this match has been abysmal.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on May 27, 2013, 03:34:48 PM
I'm sure the ticket prices were cut today too. Tomorrow is only £5, but the forecast looks bad and no floodlights either
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Steveo1000 on May 27, 2013, 05:39:44 PM
England may well win this tomorrow, but why take a risk on the weather?
If they had gone for it from the start of play, got 350 ahead and put NZ in before lunch this would be all over now. NZ were never going to score more than about 250, let alone the 450 Cook wanted.
I like Cook as a player, but he is very negative as a skipper.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Manormanic on May 27, 2013, 06:19:21 PM
Seriously, what else is there to do in Yorkshire on a Bank Holiday Monday? The attendance at this match has been abysmal.

league cricket. 
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on May 27, 2013, 06:40:14 PM
league cricket.

Something Gloucestershire could learn from. Keep this day free (and any other bank holiday mondays) and then any cancelled or rain affected games can be re-arranged for these days etc.. that way more games are played etc etc.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: DiscoStu on May 27, 2013, 10:48:35 PM
I still can't get my head around Cook's tactics, if he had enforced the follow-on the match would be over now.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: joeljonno on May 28, 2013, 06:33:45 AM
Better yo be safe than sorry. If NZ had posted 320 and given England a 140 target it could have become tricky with the fragility of the batting at the moment. The way Boult and Southee were bowling you never know if batting last. Better to secure the 1-0 and try for 2 than to gamble on winning the 2nd and giving NZ a chance.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: trypewriter on May 28, 2013, 07:04:10 AM
I'm sure the pundits will have a field day dissecting Cook's tactics, but I don't think he has any questions to answer.
Clearly the follow on wasn't enforced because he didn't thing the score was big enough.
He batted on as long as he did for the same reason, winning the mind games by setting a total that was out of reach.
To keep that total out of reach he set what some might argue were negative fields, but there were no complaints from his bowlers. It actually showed great confidence in them being able to strangle the opposition out.
England have already won one test against NZ with a tremendous attacking bowling effort, but there are days when this won't come off.
Getting some practice in at working hard and chipping away is vital with the Ashes looming. You need a diverse arsenal at your disposal to win the longer series, and that weaponry needs to be honed to perfection.
When Australia were the dominant cricket force they time and again won from positions that seemed impossible. This England team is showing signs of being able to do that too. I think Cook is a canny skipper. Finding different ways to win is vital. Having experience in executing them is priceless.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Kulli on May 28, 2013, 07:08:30 AM
I presume he didn't follow on as the series is won anyway, and they didn't want to risk overbowling a newly returned Swann (or any of the others) with such a big summer coming up.

I imagine they also didn't want to bat last.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Nickauger on May 28, 2013, 08:09:01 AM
I presume he didn't follow on as the series is won anyway, and they didn't want to risk overbowling a newly returned Swann (or any of the others) with such a big summer coming up.

I imagine they also didn't want to bat last.
Also as the series was already won. Used it as an opportunity to get some batsmen into form I would think. As much as they talked up its importance,  it is only an Ashes warm up.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Steveo1000 on May 28, 2013, 08:41:02 AM
I think England's approach to this game has been a little odd from about the last session on day 3. And I don't mean not enforcing the follow on, I think that was fair enough. More to do with the scoring rate and the amount of time they batted.
I wonder if having lost a whole day to rain there was any commercial pressure to take this game into a 5th day?
I doubt it, but you never know.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on May 28, 2013, 09:00:48 AM
Skysports news showed the ground; does not look like any chance of play.
This is what everyone apart from the england team knew.

The decision to not enforce the follow on was fine, so long as they batted quickly.
Trott on day 3 was to blame for one.
Batting on till 460 (50 more than the highest chance) was very odd. 400 would have been enough.

Dont think Clarke would have batted so long. Will be interesting in the Ashes with the 2 different style of captain's
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: uknsaunders on May 28, 2013, 09:08:08 AM
You can't take too much notice of the weather, who says the forecast will be right? Headingley drains quickly and the forecast is set to improve during the day. Might be a last session dash though.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: rbblack on May 28, 2013, 10:10:14 AM
I think the approach has been great.

After day 2 of play (well, officially day 3) we were well in the driving seat of this test. Very unlikely that we would lose the game and so even if the game is a draw we win the series. Giving the top order the opportunity to bat in a pressure free Test situation in the last top level opportunity before the ashes. And look how that's paid off. Cook and Trott with their first good scores in a while. 
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 28, 2013, 02:11:41 PM
Will the weather hold out for one more wicket? Lovely one handed catch to get rid of Bracewell and that's 10 in the match for Swann!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on May 31, 2013, 09:43:53 AM
New england kit is a bit red  ;).

Dernbach again  ???, he regularly concedes 60+.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 31, 2013, 11:02:32 AM
New england kit is a bit red  ;).

Dernbach again  ???, he regularly concedes 60+.

I quite like it! Dernbach seems to be a go to man when players are injured. With Broad and Finn out who would people have picked instead?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on May 31, 2013, 11:29:53 AM
I quite like it! Dernbach seems to be a go to man when players are injured. With Broad and Finn out who would people have picked instead?


I would have given onions or tremlett a go (tremlett a risk since he just came back from injury). Think Jade's had too many chances; his variation is over rated.

Looks like the Zim kit to me but least its a change.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Gloves on May 31, 2013, 11:36:49 AM
I quite like it! Dernbach seems to be a go to man when players are injured. With Broad and Finn out who would people have picked instead?
I like the kit as well! Stands out though
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: wilkie113 on May 31, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
What the hell was Morgan doing there!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 31, 2013, 12:05:39 PM
What the hell was Morgan doing there!

That was a little interesting from Morgan   ???

People say Woakes could be an all rounder, now is the time to show everybody!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 31, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
Seen people giving England a chanc because of the New Zealand batting, for all those optimists I have two words, Jade Dernbach...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 31, 2013, 01:59:50 PM
I like the kit - not so sure on the blue caps with them though!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Gloves on May 31, 2013, 02:04:38 PM
What a start this has been, 2 great catches
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on May 31, 2013, 02:05:03 PM
What an amazing catch from Buttler! Thought that Swann's was decent but that that something else. 2 wickets in Jimmys first over, lovely stuff!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on May 31, 2013, 02:10:25 PM
would have opened with woakes or bres!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Gloves on May 31, 2013, 02:13:24 PM
would have opened with woakes or bres!
Not a great over from Dernbach, was getting at around 88 though
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 31, 2013, 02:16:49 PM
Not a great over from Dernbach, was getting at around 88 though

88mph wides, wonderful! How Dernbach even gets in the squad is beyond me!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: sgcricket on May 31, 2013, 02:17:01 PM
yeah 2 great catches in the first over. taylor is key though.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Gloves on May 31, 2013, 02:21:18 PM
88mph wides, wonderful! How Dernbach even gets in the squad is beyond me!
I know the pace is useless if its wide but was just saying  ;) He was in as a replacement for Bresnan as his wife is expecting a baby but because Broad and Finn are resting/injured he's having to play
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on May 31, 2013, 02:26:19 PM
Most expensive bowler in odi cricket making sure nz recover after that first over
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 31, 2013, 02:27:07 PM
I know the pace is useless if its wide but was just saying  ;) He was in as a replacement for Bresnan as his wife is expecting a baby but because Broad and Finn are resting/injured he's having to play

He shouldn't be in the squad as cover even. Tremlett or Onions are far better.
Dernbach only gets in because he's South African!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Gloves on May 31, 2013, 02:34:03 PM
He shouldn't be in the squad as cover even. Tremlett or Onions are far better.
Dernbach only gets in because he's South African!
I agree, Tremlett is recovering from injury still but Onions is better then Dernbach anyway. England just like him because of his variations which all batsman know about now anyway!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: potzy248 on June 01, 2013, 11:06:31 AM
We Won... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on June 02, 2013, 09:31:56 AM
Looks like Dernbach gets another game.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on June 02, 2013, 09:33:15 AM
A Dernbach 5fer would help his case ;)
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on June 02, 2013, 09:36:45 AM
A Dernbach 5fer would help his case ;)

NZ would have to bat really poorly for that to happen. Conditions look lovely for batting though
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on June 02, 2013, 11:24:35 AM
Dernbach and Woakes continue to be costly. When will England stop giving the guys chance after chance?
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Tail Ender on June 02, 2013, 12:36:20 PM
So how about that ball from Bresnan? WTF happened there?!?!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on June 02, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
Interesting ball from Bresnan hey.

New Zealand posting 359-3, supposed to be 2nd in the world vs 8th!

Seriously poor, even if they did get a little luck. Nothing to say about Dernbach...
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Tail Ender on June 02, 2013, 01:24:15 PM
That Guptill knock was just super. Highest ever ODI score by a kiwi, too - 189no.

Dernbach. What is the point of him? Seriously.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: csnew on June 02, 2013, 01:50:04 PM
Great knock by Guptill after a poor test series. He's a good player to watch.

Think 2 spinners with treadwell playing would have been a better option. But Dernbach is the "specialist" death bowler. Keeping his record of the most expensive odi bowler in the history of the game intact.

Nice consistency stat: Jade Derbach has now passed 50 15 times in 24 ODI's
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on June 02, 2013, 02:35:13 PM
I don't believe that Woakes is all that he is made out to be. Dernbach is simply not good enough as statistics will back up. Who from the county scene is good enough to be pushing Anderson, Broad, Finn and Bresnan? I can think of a few who could be in the picture with the likes of Meaker, Onions and Tremlett who is only just coming back from his injury? If Chris Jordan can continue his form that would be great.

All I will say is that if there's ever been a day to score runs it is today. Come on Cook and Bell!
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: Twelfth Man on June 02, 2013, 02:39:29 PM
....oops :(
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: beaver5 on June 02, 2013, 10:35:35 PM
Just had a look at the averages for the YB40 this season. Shazad, Jordan, Onions, Tremlett & Rankin have bowling averages under 20. Yet Bresnan and Dernbach average over 45. How are they, particularly Dernbach anywhere near the England starting team. I realise that consistency in selection is important in developing a team, but it just seems the selectors are unwilling or too lazy to look else where.
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: potzy248 on June 02, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
We Won again  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: England vs New Zealand - Round 2
Post by: alexhilly1492 on June 02, 2013, 11:42:38 PM
botham tweeted this side earlier:

Cook,Trott,Bell,Root,Morgan, Bairstow , Prior, Broad / Bresnan, Swann, Anderson, Finn / Onions

id say swap out prior for james taylor and let bairstow keep and give that side a run, its a stringer side than what turned up in this series and taylor is in good nick for notts in the yb40

then rest of the squad; buttler shazhad, rankin, meaker, tredwell, wright,