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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: SOULMAN1012 on July 23, 2013, 07:23:23 PM
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Just watching the T20 on tvNottingham vs Derbyshire and they were talking about who would play if KP isn't fit for the 3rd test. Dominic Cork came up with Samit as England may need a 2nd spinner and add strength to lower order!
I personally think that would be one of the most left wing selections ever, surly if KP isn't fit James Taylor has to be selected or possibly Ravi Bopara.
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Vic Marks in the Grauniad believes it will be one from:
Taylor
Compton
Ballance
I'd go with Taylor given how he's made much more of his second season in Div 1. Another grinder though.
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carberry for me.
Vic Marks thinks Gary Balance will get the nod.
it won't be Patel.
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Ballance or Taylor for me, Bopara shouldn't be anywhere near the squad
Think they; go with Taylor though, Gooch mentioned him and him only when asked about a replacement, so it seems the likely outcome. Ballance will appear in the ODI/ T20 setup before Tests I'd imagine
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If Prior was in any semblance of nick I'd bring in Kerrigan for KP
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I think it should be carberry too but I reckon taylor will be in.
which doesn't fill me with confidence, Taylor, bairstow and matt prior is in poor form.
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Bumble has been gnashing all day on Twitter about this, and i agree with him.
England already have a second spinner, he is the brightest young talent in world cricket right now and was man of the match in the last test.
We need a batsmen to replace KP if he is unavailable. Not a bits and bobs player. Eoin Morgan or James Taylor look the most likely.
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How many games may KP miss?
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Completely forgot about Morgan, where has he been, not noticed much of him lately
And Bumble is correct, Root is an acceptable 2nd spinner option, even more so if the pitch suits spin. I wouldn't worry about us not having the absolutely perfect bowling attack for an Old Trafford pitch against a batting line-up as frail as Australia's, so no need for a specialist 2nd spinner in my opinion
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A good way to ease a guy in though, get a feel for when he comes in after Swann retires. Let Root bat.
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Same could be said for Taylor, good time for him to come in with less pressure on the England side, more focus on the Aussies, Taylor to settle in for the future
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Hasn't been confirmed yet though (whether kp will miss any games)??
I am with Taylor thinking too! Already have root as a second spinner so don't need three!
I do rate Bopara but more in the shorter ODI/T20 formats and not test so much.
I feel Taylor would be a stronger candidate.
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Slamit has made a real case for selection with that first pill!
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I think Taylor/bopara would be equally as good, I think samit is a decent all rounder, but not quite england standard. his fielding isnt great, and his batting is again decent, so the only other string to his bow is bowling, and as has been stated previously, we dont need 3 spinners.
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Carberry for me, the guy is long overdue another crack.
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I would also love to see Carberry in but when Gooch was asked, Taylor was the first name on his lips.....could that be a sign?
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To me it's obvious, last guy out - Compton to fill in. Still think KP will be fit.
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To me it's obvious, last guy out - Compton to fill in. Still think KP will be fit.
I also thought that he was seen as the replacement batsmen and hence they also ensured he got extra game time. I do enjoy watching Taylor bat though.
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Would love to see Carberry get another chance , but on the other hand I don't really want to see Hants missing him :D. Slight problem in the fact that he's an opener , but I remember him coming in at 3 for some reason in a few matches over the past few years (Some of them could have been one dayers).
In all honesty though , I can see it either being Compton or Taylor. I'd feel so hard done by if I was Compton and didn't get the call up though to be honest! Also , I personally don't think Samit Patel will ever become England's first choice of spinner in test cricket. There's just so many young talents in that department out there right now , and unless he improves I don't see it happeneing.
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To me it's obvious, last guy out - Compton to fill in. Still think KP will be fit.
I'd see that as a backward step, not quite a middle order player, and Taylor is the future, or someone of similar age anyway
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Bumble going on abt 2 spinners with one being Root. From watching games at lancs this year then 3 spinners might well be a good plan. Works for India in India. They have been so flat that average batsmen have made good runs. Katich and Prince have scored heavily on the wickets.
Based on that drop Bresnan for Kerrigan and give Taylor or Carberry (its only short term and therefore age is not as important as form)
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How fit do you think KP will need to be for the Selectors to pick him? I think they'd pick KP if he was at 70% and just have him stand somewhere.
In all honesty the way Australia have been batting they England only really need 10.
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I would rather they rest him as for me its important we win the series in Australia. We will need our best batsmen fully fit and in my opinion KP is one of them.
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I hope Taylor gets it, I'm a big fan of his.
Morgan I don't think is a suitable test player and since he tried to fit into the test style of batting his T20/ODI batting has suffered.
Carberry a good option, good bat who can turn the heat on should England want another biffing #4
Compton. Square peg round hole.
Big (hypotehtical) question: Taylor comes in and scores 156 in first innings, KP fit for 4th test. Who would you (and G.Miller) select?
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You have to look at previous selections. The selectors take a measured approach and they won't change the make up of the side. They will go with swann and root and Taylor to come in if kp isn't fit.
i would put good money on Compton never playing for England again.
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KP will be fit, if not they will chose JT but personally I'd want Carberry.
Bopara is out injured atm
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I hope Taylor gets it, I'm a big fan of his.
Morgan I don't think is a suitable test player and since he tried to fit into the test style of batting his T20/ODI batting has suffered.
Carberry a good option, good bat who can turn the heat on should England want another biffing #4
Compton. Square peg round hole.
Big (hypotehtical) question: Taylor comes in and scores 156 in first innings, KP fit for 4th test. Who would you (and G.Miller) select?
They would drop him in a heartbeat and praise his efforts. This England set up is a little more ruthless than before plus rightfully or wrongfully as every captain knows, it's easier to drop a youngster than a senior.
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A lot of Carberry fans but in all honesty think he will never wear an England shirt again
He should have least got a look in for the ODI squad
What did he do Wrong again ??
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A lot of Carberry fans but in all honesty think he will never wear an England shirt again
He should have least got a look in for the ODI squad
What did he do Wrong again ??
I can see Bairstow getting dropped if that happens
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A lot of Carberry fans but in all honesty think he will never wear an England shirt again
He should have least got a look in for the ODI squad
What did he do Wrong again ??
Body malfunction. Blod clot on the lung, never got a 2nd look (wrongly!)
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Would put a lot of money on its Taylor
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To be fair the Aussie's have a poor side so if KP does miss this game it will be an easy chance for the step in to make a name for themselves!
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If Taylor gets a ton playing some unknown Aussie spinners will he walk into the team?
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Even though batting at Taunton every other week has to do wonders for your average, I still rate Compton and would give him another shot. He's technically good and whilst he may be prone to the odd lapse here or there, he's played well mostly (apart from the two test series against NZ) and was unceremoniously binned a little too early for my liking.
I like Bairstow too, needs to sort out the across the line business though sharpish at Test level.
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If Taylor gets a ton playing some unknown Aussie spinners will he walk into the team?
Only if KP isn't fit.
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I though that he was confirmed to miss the third test?
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I hope Ballance gets the nod :(
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What happened to Compton? From what I remember he was blazing bowling attacks?
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What happened to Compton? From what I remember he was blazing bowling attacks?
With Joe Root scoring 180 why change your top order?
If you were an opening batsman you'd be a bit miffed to drop down the order after 180 at Lords in the Ashes surely?
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Compton generally bats at 3 or 4 for Somerset doesn't he?
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Compton generally bats at 3 or 4 for Somerset doesn't he?
Batted 3 in his superb 2012 season.
Problem I don't think he is a test 4. Think how much he would change the shape of the England team if he came in at 4, would put a lot of pressure on the other guy to score big runs IMO.