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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: smilley792 on August 20, 2013, 11:07:25 AM
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Proper ugly duckling in my opinion, and that grill looks awe full
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/CB1887DD-7C7C-46E5-AC7A-A4AB9D8455F4-2869-0000040C3E5B4425_zps6d64513a.jpg)
Ayrtek it is for my next helmet
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Lost a lot of its 'traditional' looking charm.
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That can't be real! It is disgusting.
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RIP Masuri...
(all those old style masuri's have just gone up in value!!)
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It's all real, pic has been tweeted from the official release at the oval today,
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I actually quite like them...
*braces himself*
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What on earth is that!!? :o
Looks disgusting
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Think they've altered an aging design to comply with new rules rather than go back to the drawing board.
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I am actually lost for words!
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WOW, what a load of rubbish!!
I cant see anyone wanting to buy that!
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are Albion also changing their design?
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are Albion also changing their design?
I would imagine so, the new regulations are quite strict. Talk to Tom at Ayrtek for more details on what they entail. But the basics are the peak must now be much much stronger, to prevent a ball pushing it up and squeezing into the gap. THe grille is also not allowed to be adjusted by the user to have a gap wide enough to allow a ball through.
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Well thats a looker then!
Dont wee why the peak couldnt be cloth covered! All forum sponsors start selling lids, no one will buy this!!!
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People will buy it. There are plenty out there who like something a little different. Also there will only be 'x' amount of older illegal lids left, and once they are gone customers will be left with no choice, especially U19's who have to wear a helmet by law. Obviously they can go with other brands, but i expect equally space age designs.
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That isn't a space age design, it looks like something from the 70's/80's
The plastic albion lids will be the biggest winner from this I think.
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All for more protective lids, but this just looks bad, the ear protection, peak and grill are just awful!
Hopefully Albion will make better looking ones
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People will buy it. There are plenty out there who like something a little different. Also there will only be 'x' amount of older illegal lids left, and once they are gone customers will be left with no choice, especially U19's who have to wear a helmet by law. Obviously they can go with other brands, but i expect equally space age designs.
Personally I like the GM lids which were released earlier this year and that is a very traditional helmet
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Albion Ultimate 98s will be more popular now I think, providing they don't change the disign too much
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http://www.masuri.com/masuri-cricket-helmets/vision-series/ (http://www.masuri.com/masuri-cricket-helmets/vision-series/)
Take a look, more details.
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Pretty cack in my eyes. As mentioned before, looks like they have just altered their old design to comply rather than design something new.
In fairness, I don't suppose Masuri have ad to do any real design work for years. Their helmets were always the market leader and looked the best (in my opinion) anyway.
Anyway, the new law will see alot of companies having to change, so this possibly isn't the worst we're going to see......
Looks like good news for Ayrtek!
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"Sophisticated 3 layer crumple zone"
I don't want my helmet to have a crumple zone haha
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I dont know about other people but i will be treating my Masuri like its made out of glass now
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Personally don't see how there's make sense.
Two choices
Don't wear a helmet
Or
Wear a helmet that is ugly, and cant be adjusted to give good vision.
Hmm, tis only gonna lead to less people wearing helmets, which is surely a bad thing?
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Will be interesting to see retailer reactions, especially from a few who only stock Masuri when initial response seems so poor.
Personally it is just a huge disappointment that they haven't really taken the opportunity to make more sweeping changes
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I bet other helmet manufacutures are licking their lips at the sight of this..
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I quite like it to be honest.
Look back on here many where asking about the toilet duck helmet look what happened people slowly liked it.
I suspect they will be other versions of helmets
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so happy i bought an elite earlier this year instead of waiting for this! its awful
do you think the england players will wear them in the final test??
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Does anyone know anywhere that sells the new style grill (not this one, the one on the current Elite lids) separately?
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Twitter reaction isn't great for masuri.
They are retweeting all the good tweets about the helmet, which is currently at 2.....
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Does anyone know anywhere that sells the new style grill (not this one, the one on the current Elite lids) separately?
barrington sports mate :)
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I imagine there will be a new tweaked design next year, and probably year on end until they are able to incorporate all the new specs to a design that is similar to the original masuri look.
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so happy i bought an elite earlier this year instead of waiting for this! its awful
This! :D
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barrington sports mate :)
Thank you
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Anyone got both and able to take a picture of them side on to see the difference in coverage please?
I get the impression from the telly that the new ones offer more protection...
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This is from Masuri's home page
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/Masuri_zpsba652da0.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/Masuri_zpsba652da0.jpg.html)
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That's disgusting. Everyone buy this years masuri while you can!!!! Haha
Well, we have plenty left in stock... :)
I agree, I don't like the look of this new one. Even tweeted to tell them that. This coming from a retailer who only stocked Masuri helmets this year doesn't bode well...
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Does anyone know anywhere that sells the new style grill (not this one, the one on the current Elite lids) separately?
We do.
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Anyone got both and able to take a picture of them side on to see the difference in coverage please?
I get the impression from the telly that the new ones offer more protection...
Any shopkeepers able to help out on this one?
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Wtf is that!!!!
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Any shopkeepers able to help out on this one?
It's just been released today. Don't reckon people will have it instock/ bought one just yet mate
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FFS why have they done this ugly (No Swearing Please)
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We won't get to see/hold one until the trade show, which is just under a month away...
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I understand that there are regulations they must meet - but do they include airflow on the front. The addition of airflow to the sides is fine but the two either side of the badge look awful.
It seems the peak as had some work done to it to add technology to it, but would it have hurt to then cover it with the cloth to make it match rest fo lid. Rest of it seems fine.
Two quite cosmetic issues with the new design could seriously damage their sales. We shall have to wait and see what happens with other companies but im guessing the biggest winner out of this is going to be Ayrtek (not that its a bad thing in that respect of course)
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Sky Sports News just did a piece on the new lids. Interview with Goughie and some footage of the helmets.
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do you think any of the england/australia players will wear them in the last test and or the odi's and t20's??
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So glad i bought a Masuri earlier this season, that is rank.
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So, they've basically designed it so that the peak crumples when hit by a ball. Not only does it look like someone's retrofitted a great big spoiler to a 1970's Volvo, it's also designed to make you buy a new one once you've had an impact rather than keep going as we usually do....
I wonder how long that peak will last in most people's kit bags...
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If you get one delivered, with the handling most couriers give things it may not even last the journey to it's owner!
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Listened to the Merv Hughes article, lot of wiff waff.
Apparently according to Merv it's been in design for 4 years.....
Every time he said flip top peak, I thought of a flip top lid bin.....
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Can't say I like the look of it, and it will be good to see what other manufacturers bring out. Have to say I have always been an Albion fan but am loving wearing the GM Pro Select helmet with a titanium grill this year. great vision and light weight!!
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(http://www.masuri.com/media/resources/images/vision-helmets2.jpg)
The gap looks very small + combined with the 'double bar' I dont think visibility will be great.
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I told you designs would have to evolve to meet new regulations as the new BSI standard encases some serious impact speeds!
They are embracing the changes and actively looking to increase protection levels for the end user, as we have done too.
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That's ok mate, people will start to appreciate why ours is shaped like it is now and just how difficult it is for older designs to pass the new standard.
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Will be interesting to know the weight and cost of that ugly duckling
Even one of the mums at junior cricket a couple of weeks ago knew that the regs are changing
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I told you designs would have to evolve to meet new regulations as the new BSI standard encases some serious impact speeds!
They are embracing the changes and actively looking to increase protection levels for the end user, as we have done too.
Do you classify that as an evolved design ;)
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If I wasn't swayed before hand, I am now. Ayrtek could be the next helmet...
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Well looks like its ayrtek for me next year.. not sure if i can take the grief for wearing one ..
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I think now from seeing the new snaps of this Masuri lid, I will now happily take any stick for it with it giving the best protection on the market. I think the only reason I got a Masuri was down to the look of it and that it still offered a reasonable amount of protection.
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Is this the best they could do?
Horrid
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Like most, I don't like. But don't know how well it protects, if it's more protective - then I guess it's a good thing. Shame it couldn't be prettier.
I imagine we'll get used to it though, like we have with the plastic Albion's and how we're beginning to with Ayrtek.
Also looks like a good launch by Masuri, with most papers/Sky attending. Good PR work, not often seen in cricket.
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Great PR/Marketing by Masuri - sky sports all over it.
I would like to see Ayrtek be there one day
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The Masuri website pictures make the helmet look almost OK,but the untouched up photos on Facebook it truely looks awful. It does look like they have bolted on a separate ugly peak,it doesn't match the rest of the helmet in shape or finish,truely terrible design.
The grille does at least have some design merit, you get additional strengthening in the important area, nut the extra bar is set back to avoid restricting your view, the set back of the extra bar would also aid the strength.
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So let's get this straight. They've designed the peak with a flip up front piece, made it thicker and stiffer and appear to have attached it as a separate piece and the grille with what is effectively (the eye line bar) a ramp to force the ball up into the flip up front piece, with the idea that this will stop the ball getting through between the peak and the grille.
All this then seems to be more or less retro fitted to the old shape shell, which they've made some forming differences on.
I really think they have messed up on the look of this thing. It's an extremely inelegant design and looks like it was created by three different groups of people. Both Ayrtek and Albion have a more coherent look to them, and I suspect that the Ayrtek is probably safer based on the principle it uses of attempting to deflect the ball rather than providing a "crumple zone" where there isn't really room for it.
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The main hurdle we all face as manufacturers with the new standard is keeping out a ball hitting the peak/grille area at 67mph. This is the equivalent to an 82mph delivery out of the hand and quite a significant impact when you view it in a lab and in slow motion video.
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The main hurdle we all face as manufacturers with the new standard is keeping out a ball hitting the peak/grille area at 67mph. This is the equivalent to an 82mph delivery out of the hand and quite a significant impact when you view it in a lab and in slow motion video.
I understand that (spent a lot of time in my final year at Uni looking at behaviour of composite structures in road accidents!). Unfortunately for Masuri, they have a brand look that isn't really up to the functional requirement and are trying to shoehorn around that, combined with both Albion and yourselves having the copyright on other, more effective shapes...
Makes life quite hard for them I guess!
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anyone else rung up LSE today about purchasing Ayrtek shares?
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anyone else rung up LSE today about purchasing Ayrtek shares?
You'll need to talk to Tom about that, he's not listed.... Yet!
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So with this crumple zone peak, if I get hit mid game I've got to switch helmets?
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So with this crumple zone peak, if I get hit mid game I've got to switch helmets?
I'm not sure whether it's a crumple zone or a hinged section. If the latter, probably not, although all helmet manufacturers will always tell you to change the lid if you get hit...
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The new test standard legislates for a single impact before a helmet is meant to be replaced as per manufacturer guidelines, this is in line with all other safety helmets that are used in cycling, equestrian, skiing etc.
Previously the test used to carry out 2 impact upon the same spot on the helmets in order to pass the test but the revised version has been based upon one so that this gives the opportunity for a design to be made so that upon impact the helmet can crumple to absorb impact. Pro to this is that materials can be used that are susceptible to crushing etc and absorb the energy of the impact but the con is that the helmet would show significant effects of the impact and need replacing as a play off.
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Not a fan at all.
What sort of money are these going to be as it looks like manufacturing costs have increased substantially?
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Pro to this is that materials can be used that are susceptible to crushing etc and absorb the energy of the impact but the con is that the helmet would show significant effects of the impact and need replacing as a play off.
Or when you drop your bag!
Sounds like its going to be an interesting time for helmets - Tom must all new helmet now conform to this new standard??? What does this mean for GM, GN, etc. Interesting times, we are luck to have the inside track.
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The old standard will be superseded by the new one that will come into action before the end of 2013.
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Wouldn't look as bad if it was all cloth and didn't have those stupid front vents.
Shame I didn't see this before I accepted buzz's offer for my Titanium grill! Could've charged more!
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The new test standard legislates for a single impact before a helmet is meant to be replaced as per manufacturer guidelines, this is in line with all other safety helmets that are used in cycling, equestrian, skiing etc.
Previously the test used to carry out 2 impact upon the same spot on the helmets in order to pass the test but the revised version has been based upon one so that this gives the opportunity for a design to be made so that upon impact the helmet can crumple to absorb impact. Pro to this is that materials can be used that are susceptible to crushing etc and absorb the energy of the impact but the con is that the helmet would show significant effects of the impact and need replacing as a play off.
Ok so I realise all manufacturers will say to replace a helmet after impact but in the real world where we have to buy our own how often does this happen. This looks like more legislation without considering the practicalities of how the product will be used. Also moving forwards how to clubs with junior sections stand with providing club helmets for shared use. Most teams have the cheap gunn and moores provided under the lords taverners scheme.
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I don't think there's any legislation saying that the older helmets can't be used at club level, just that the newer ones offer a different level of protection. I suspect parents will demand that clubs provide the safest helmets though...
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I don't think there's any legislation saying that the older helmets can't be used at club level, just that the newer ones offer a different level of protection. I suspect parents will demand that clubs provide the safest helmets though...
Yes I have experience of demanding parents :)
They will be directed to the Ayrtek website
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Masuri Vision Series helmet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn2VsXRmfRU#)
Some interesting footage and graphics regarding the ball entering the gap between peak and grille, or not as is the case with the new model.
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Thanks for the video Jake. Proves the point I was suggesting earlier and works exactly as I was expecting.
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Would the design of the fielding grille not have worked?? That had a bar directly under the peak, so would something similar not work for batting??
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It's just been released today. Don't reckon people will have it instock/ bought one just yet mate
You're all misunderstanding me, I was asking about the CURRENT lid that they're all wearing on the telly (elite?) compared to the classic one that everyone has had since about 1994
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You're all misunderstanding me, I was asking about the CURRENT lid that they're all wearing on the telly (elite?) compared to the classic one that everyone has had since about 1994
Ultimately there isn't much difference between the new model released a year ago (the elite) and the classic Masuri (the test) in terms of the type of protection highlighted by the new regulations. Both lids allow the ball to penetrate the gap between peak and grille. The elite offers more coverage to the ears/part of the neck (not far from the impact Watson sustained) due to the griles sweeping design.
And but for a few minor changes over the years, the shell is the same as it has always been.
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Interesting contrast with the new Gray Nics lids which i assumed, but now am not so sure, met the new regulations. They have certainly changed the grille in terms of being unable to adjust it, and the peak is reinforced with carbon fibre or similar as i saw one without the cloth covering.
(http://i.imgur.com/F7lutMRh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/M7qoX4rh.png)
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Interesting contrast with the new Gray Nics lids which i assumed, but now am not so sure, met the new regulations. They have certainly changed the grille in terms of being unable to adjust it, and the peak is reinforced with carbon fibre or similar as i saw one without the cloth covering.
The BS standard stamp in the GN photo looks like it has a 1990s date on it, if they met the new BS regs presume they would have BS 7928 2013 stamp on display
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Good spot.
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Good spot, I agree, although it is difficult to say you comply to a British Standard which hasn't been published yet/is still in draft form.
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Good spot, I agree, although it is difficult to say you comply to a British Standard which hasn't been published yet/is still in draft form.
That's true.
Seems Masuri have taken the extreme option with their helmet upgrades if GN can comply to the new regs by strengthening the peak slightly and it looks like heavier duty horizontal wires on the grille. Maybe Masuri have similar less extreme upgrades in store for their lower end helmets, that haven't been released yet.
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Being a Masuri user, I nearly vomited when I saw that new design.
There is NO WAY I will ever buy one of those disgusting designs.
As someone else already mentioned, I am going to be treating my two Masuri's with extreme care from now on.
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So from the start of the new season juniors will not be allowed to wear the old style helmets anymore, they will have to wear one of the 2014 ones.
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I don't know why but I like this helmet !
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So from the start of the new season juniors will not be allowed to wear the old style helmets anymore, they will have to wear one of the 2014 ones.
Juniors, how many times will you get hit in the head as a junior!
Maybe if you play Grade but surely just playing club you shouldn't need something like that?
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Juniors, how many times will you get hit in the head as a junior!
Maybe if you play Grade but surely just playing club you shouldn't need something like that?
Its not unusual for juniors from 11 up to be hit on the helmet, not so much bouncers but full tosses especially.
However I don't think anyone has mentioned that it will be mandatory to wear a new BS helmet for any club player junior or senior. The current regs on juniors wearing helmets, from memory, don't specify that the helmet has to be to BS anyway.
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Juniors, how many times will you get hit in the head as a junior!
Maybe if you play Grade but surely just playing club you shouldn't need something like that?
I got hit on the head once as a junior, and there was an incident where one of the other lads had a ball go through the gap between peak & grille.
There were a lot of kids getting hit on the head that year, it was out first off season using the Rose Bowl nets, all the U13s found it came on quicker than normal with more bounce and they all think they're Brett Lee!
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I actually quite like the new design, and if it's as safe as it's advertised to be by Masuri then surely it's a good thing. I remember thinking the Ayrtek lids looked a bit strange first, but they grow on you, and I see no reason why this new design won't as well.
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I bought an Ayrtek (or is it Adidas now! :-[) so I don't need to get one of those atrocities on the first page in the future! I suggest others do the same!
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It is disgustingly horrible.
If that is all they are going to offer, they have lost a life long Masuri fan...FOREVER!
Utter, utter rubbish.
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It is disgustingly horrible.
If that is all they are going to offer, they have lost a life long Masuri fan...FOREVER!
Utter, utter rubbish.
Cannot agree more with this!
Shocking design. It seems that they've just thought "How can we meet the new regs but spend the least amount of money in doing so."
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Optimus Prime might buy it
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It is disgustingly horrible.
If that is all they are going to offer, they have lost a life long Masuri fan...FOREVER!
Utter, utter rubbish.
agree they are hiddeous. have been my favourite helmet over the past few years will have to buy another older version helmet if this is what they are going to dish up
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So from the start of the new season juniors will not be allowed to wear the old style helmets anymore, they will have to wear one of the 2014 ones.
No, nobody has said that anywhere. The new standard has been published in the last few days. Manufacturers have 6 months to stop making/selling old style helmets, I believe us retailers can continue to sell old stock until it is gone.
People are free to continue to wear an existing helmet, no-one will be forced to change, but soon, if you do decide to buy a new helmet, your only option (when purchasing from reputable sources like ourselves anyway) will be to get one that complies with the new standard.
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I know Masuri said this had been 4 years in design, but to me I'm not so sure.
I doubt that they will always look like this in the future as well.
Be interesting to see when these helmets start breaking out on the TV screens. Are any pros wearing them already?
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Lets be honest, for most club players - How is this any safer than we are currently wearing?
If you are facing 90mph regularly... Fair enough - You need all the help you can get.
For mere mortals, I just don't see how this is going to make a 'difference' to our safety.
I assume my old Masuri Ti helmet is now regarded as 'not upto standard' and therefore dangerous.
Ridiculous. Along with pads in rugby and head guards in football.
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I've spotted a couple in the Big Bash but not many
If simply comes down to 1 question, do you consider what you look like whilst padded more important than being safe?
I know which I'd choose - which is why I own an Ayrtek! (With the bonus of them looking sweet too!!)
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Lets be honest, for most club players - How is this any safer than we are currently wearing?
If you are facing 90mph regularly... Fair enough - You need all the help you can get.
For mere mortals, I just don't see how this is going to make a 'difference' to our safety.
I assume my old Masuri Ti helmet is now regarded as 'not upto standard' and therefore dangerous.
Ridiculous. Along with pads in rugby and head guards in football.
I've seen 4 players hit through the grill, not facing anything particularly fast (one was a spinner!) and the results have never been pretty...
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I've spotted a couple in the Big Bash but not many
If simply comes down to 1 question, do you consider what you look like whilst padded more important than being safe?
I know which I'd choose - which is why I own an Ayrtek! (With the bonus of them looking sweet too!!)
Well I have heard from people who have tried this new helmet on that the double grill is distracting.
The albion design looks like to me that if you couldn't set the gap wider than a safe measurement the ball wouldn't get through, I may be wrong.
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I didn't notice the double bar grille at all when wearing it at the trade show.
The lower models in the Masuri range don't have a double bar.
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I saw the first pic and thought it was a fake...made by ihsan lol
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If it wasn't bad enough with the way the new Masuri model looks, a mate of mine who was at the recent trade show in Sydney told me that the new model allegedly weighs CONSIDERABLY heavier than the older models.
It stands to reason with all that additional plastic and additional bars on the grille that weight was the first consideration that was sacrificed.
It will be interesting what response Masuri get from the pros/test players forced to wear these new designs. It will be interesting to see whether Masuri evolve or die.
No way can I picture international/FC players accepting a substantial INCREASE (if what my mate says is correct) in weight.
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Luckily, I'm getting a Masuri in the next day or so but if you're only a local club cricketer, why would you change? Yes, these newer designs are going to be the only helmets we can buy but if you can find an old one, buy that instead.
These new designs are just plain ugly but this is an advancement in technology and with advancement can come some ugly designs. Cloud cricket these days, the bowling speeds range from 70kph to approx. 140kph. I like many others, don't understand how the new advancements and designs would be any safer? It's not like everyone is being hit on the helmet or grille every game. Only on rare occasions would you be hit on the helmet. I remember I was hit on the helmet in under 16s and the ball was only doing 90-100kph. The helmet did its job and to this day, I've only been hit on the helmet once.
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If it wasn't bad enough with the way the new Masuri model looks, a mate of mine who was at the recent trade show in Sydney told me that the new model allegedly weighs CONSIDERABLY heavier than the older models.
It stands to reason with all that additional plastic and additional bars on the grille that weight was the first consideration that was sacrificed.
It will be interesting what response Masuri get from the pros/test players forced to wear these new designs. It will be interesting to see whether Masuri evolve or die.
No way can I picture international/FC players accepting a substantial INCREASE (if what my mate says is correct) in weight.
The one i tried on was very light on my head. It was a sample so things may change. They are due in stock at some point this month, so i will know for sure soon enough.
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The one i tried on was very light on my head. It was a sample so things may change. They are due in stock at some point this month, so i will know for sure soon enough.
If you can weigh them, it would be much appreciated.
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Firstly, what makes the old designs illegal?
Also, I've had my original titanium 6 years now, been hit many times at decent pace and it's still perfectly fine. Was there any real need for a drastic change from a tried and tested product?
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Firstly, what makes the old designs illegal?
Also, I've had my original titanium 6 years now, been hit many times at decent pace and it's still perfectly fine. Was there any real need for a drastic change from a tried and tested product?
The old test was merely a drop test on the top off lid.
New test is a ball fired at peak area, no ball is allowed to pass through to hit a batsmen,
The spec has changed to prevent this, plenty of pros have had hits to face from ball penetration, but it also happens at lower level, I've been at junior games where parents have adjusted the grill for maximum sight, and a full toss or top up edged has penetrated,
Thankfully in my instance blood, cuts and a broken nose are all that occurred, but there are stories of junior having broke ney sockets, and damage to eyes.
No one wants a 12year old to lose sight in one eye, so hence the change.
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The old test was merely a drop test on the top off lid.
New test is a ball fired at peak area, no ball is allowed to pass through to hit a batsmen,
The spec has changed to prevent this, plenty of pros have had hits to face from ball penetration, but it also happens at lower level, I've been at junior games where parents have adjusted the grill for maximum sight, and a full toss or top up edged has penetrated,
Thankfully in my instance blood, cuts and a broken nose are all that occurred, but there are stories of junior having broke ney sockets, and damage to eyes.
No one wants a 12year old to lose sight in one eye, so hence the change.
Obviously no one wants to see a ball go through the gap, but isn't it just sensible to have the distance narrow so a ball is extremely unlikely to go through
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Obviously no one wants to see a ball go through the gap, but isn't it just sensible to have the distance narrow so a ball is extremely unlikely to go through
Apparently( and is say apparently) even when set at a small gap, the peak would bend up and still allow a ball through on the old masuri. Hence masuri decision for a total redesign as opposed to slight modification to current helmet.
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Apparently( and is say apparently) even when set at a small gap, the peak would bend up and still allow a ball through on the old masuri. Hence masuri decision for a total redesign as opposed to slight modification to current helmet.
Seems a little dubious but I suppose safety has to be the underlying factor in the end. The old designs are still widely available though at the moment. Suppose that will change?
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Seems a little dubious but I suppose safety has to be the underlying factor in the end. The old designs are still widely available though at the moment. Suppose that will change?
Once the old style are sol out they're sold out they're sold out, retailers won't be able to get more in. (That's my understanding of it anyway)
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Once the old style are sol out they're sold out they're sold out, retailers won't be able to get more in. (That's my understanding of it anyway)
That is correct mate
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At least if you can't get a Masuri there's always Shrey and the Slazenger Xlite depending on what takes your fancy!
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At least if you can't get a Masuri there's always Shrey and the Slazenger Xlite depending on what takes your fancy!
I think Slazenger & Masuri have some kind of deal, so I'm expecting something similar to the new Masuri from Slazenger this season too.
I could be totallywrong though
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There won't be any slazenger helmets in their current incarnation, they have a license deal with masuri and will almost certainly adopt the new masuri vision series designs.
Shrey won't pass the safety test, so no retailer will sell them in the UK. if they did pass the test there would be no need for masuri to redesign their range.
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Shrey won't pass the safety test, so no retailer will sell them in the UK. if they did pass the test there would be no need for masuri to redesign their range.
Exactly this. Anyone can say "there good enough for pros" or "I have no issue and shall use mine" but to me it all means nothing.
Masuri was the helmet to have, the higher percentage of pros used them, and nearly all clubbies you see had one. So if it could pass the test, or was easily altered to pass the test. Would any off you truly believe masuri would walk away so easily?
They know it is not upto standard, and hence them moving on to a new design. I trust them on the decision, so I too am moving on, and excepting that helmet will no longer be available.
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Exactly this. Anyone can say "there good enough for pros" or "I have no issue and shall use mine" but to me it all means nothing.
Masuri was the helmet to have, the higher percentage of pros used them, and nearly all clubbies you see had one. So if it could pass the test, or was easily altered to pass the test. Would any off you truly believe masuri would walk away so easily?
They know it is not upto standard, and hence them moving on to a new design. I trust them on the decision, so I too am moving on, and excepting that helmet will no longer be available.
It's still gutting though... the masuri/shrey/slazenger is the only helmet that my schwad fits in and now I fear I'll look like a budget Robocop, and be unable to see anything.....
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It's still gutting though... the masuri/shrey/slazenger is the only helmet that my schwad fits in and now I fear I'll look like a budget Robocop, and be unable to see anything.....
Stockpile some when they get discounted to clear old (non safety regulation meeting) stock mate
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As cam says, just buy one or two spares once there in the £20 bargain bucket, and that should do you for most your life.
Or atleast until they make a new one that fits your bonce and you can see out of.
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Might end up like trigger's broom - "I've had the same helmet for 30 years - it's only had 3 new grills and two new shells..."
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Surely it would be illegal for companies to sell the old product (the one that we like) due to safety regulations?
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Surely it would be illegal for companies to sell the old product (the one that we like) due to safety regulations?
It isn't necessarily illegal to sell it, but it is unlikely to be covered by public liability insurance, so you wouldn't want to sell it.
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I've just been flicking through my Morrant catalogue and they seem to have two different styles of Masuri lid, one with the double bar and one without.
(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/tanwatfa/IMG_09231_zps8f6b4728.jpg)
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I've just been flicking through my Morrant catalogue and they seem to have two different styles of Masuri lid, one with the double bar and one without.
([url]http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/tanwatfa/IMG_09231_zps8f6b4728.jpg[/url])
You can have one that looks gash, or one that looks gash and you can't see out of it, great...
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£168 for a titanium lid! I'd expect it to bat for me aswell - bloody rip of imo
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I love how the catalogue pic is so dark so you cant see the dodgy plastic halo ring thing.
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I love how the catalogue pic is so dark so you cant see the dodgy plastic halo ring thing.
ive noticed that with most of the promotional shots of the lids
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I've just been flicking through my Morrant catalogue and they seem to have two different styles of Masuri lid, one with the double bar and one without.
([url]http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee458/tanwatfa/IMG_09231_zps8f6b4728.jpg[/url])
Yes they have been on our website for weeks now. I believe i raised this topic a while back. Appreciate you may not have seen it though.
The 2 cheaper models do not have the double bar, and my reading of the way things work is that the gap between the peak and grille on these models is much smaller in order to meet the regulations.
But of course no-one really knows until we receive stock, which was supposed to be by the end of February.....
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I know a few here object to the look of this helmet but, as an old codger who's finally decided I ought to start wearing a helmet, I come to it without any preconceptions. I'm really keen to try one before deciding which helmet to settle on, and a bit frustrated that its release keeps getting put back. Does anyone know, definitively, when it will be available to try? Thanks.
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I know a few here object to the look of this helmet but, as an old codger who's finally decided I ought to start wearing a helmet, I come to it without any preconceptions. I'm really keen to try one before deciding which helmet to settle on, and a bit frustrated that its release keeps getting put back. Does anyone know, definitively, when it will be available to try? Thanks.
You can either try a load on and buy an Ayrtek, or save yourself some time and just but an Ayrtek mate ;)
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I might just do that. Did you come to Ayrtek from another brand, and do you have the old ACIS or the Adipower version? Thanks.
p.s. Warner's just gone for 145.
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I might just do that. Did you come to Ayrtek from another brand, and do you have the old ACIS or the Adipower version? Thanks.
p.s. Warner's just gone for 145.
I'd previously used an Albion and a Masuri.
I then got an Ayrtek Premier with the ACIS liner.
Currently using an AdiRaw carbon Fibre lid with ACIS. Worth every penny for the weight (or lack of), vision and comfort.
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I hear what you're saying about the Raw being worth the money, but it is eye-wateringly expensive. Was the Premier significantly heavier - to the detriment of your game - or is the Raw's lightness a luxury you're willing to pay for? I guess I'll be getting used to wearing a helmet for the first time, so maybe starting with a heavier one won't matter so much as I'll have nothing to compare it with.
p.s. South Africa - 511 to win.
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I hear what you're saying about the Raw being worth the money, but it is eye-wateringly expensive. Was the Premier significantly heavier - to the detriment of your game - or is the Raw's lightness a luxury you're willing to pay for? I guess I'll be getting used to wearing a helmet for the first time, so maybe starting with a heavier one won't matter so much as I'll have nothing to compare it with.
p.s. South Africa - 511 to win.
The premier was fine to wear mate. Felt no different to any other lid I'd worn weight wise. (It was a much nicer fit though due to the ACIS).
The lightness of the Raw is just a luxury, anything in the Ayrtek/Adidas range will be comfortable and offer world class protection, you can't go wrong ;)
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I appreciate the advice. Thanks.
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The latest communication from Masuri is that the new range range of helmets will begin to be dispatched out to retailers from March 17th onwards. So expect to see stock available in stores towards the end of next week.
Hopefully this is a definite date this time, we were originally told about a pre Xmas, then a pre February date for stock arrival.
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I hear what you're saying about the Raw being worth the money, but it is eye-wateringly expensive. Was the Premier significantly heavier - to the detriment of your game - or is the Raw's lightness a luxury you're willing to pay for? I guess I'll be getting used to wearing a helmet for the first time, so maybe starting with a heavier one won't matter so much as I'll have nothing to compare it with.
p.s. South Africa - 511 to win.
Never tried a raw but I personally found premier to be significantly heavier than other helmets I have had or tried. Fit is fine but I reckon it will suit bigger heads better.
Get yourself to a shop which stocks all major brands and try a few.
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Wise words. I did try on a few, including the current Masuri which didn't fit well - so I decided not to wait for the new one. Instead I took the plunge and bought an Ayrtek Premier with titanium grill. The weight doesn't seem too bad to me, but then I haven't yet worn it for a lengthy period. The helmet itself fits really comfortably (with ACIS), but once back home I realise that the grill isn't such a good fit, with the bottom sitting a bit high and very close to my chin. Has anyone else found this? I'm thinking of getting another plate made up for each side so that I can move it further forward. Anyone tried that?
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I realise that the grill isn't such a good fit, with the bottom sitting a bit high and very close to my chin.
Sure it's not your chin fella ?
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Yes. Both of them.
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Wise words. I did try on a few, including the current Masuri which didn't fit well - so I decided not to wait for the new one. Instead I took the plunge and bought an Ayrtek Premier with titanium grill. The weight doesn't seem too bad to me, but then I haven't yet worn it for a lengthy period. The helmet itself fits really comfortably (with ACIS), but once back home I realise that the grill isn't such a good fit, with the bottom sitting a bit high and very close to my chin. Has anyone else found this? I'm thinking of getting another plate made up for each side so that I can move it further forward. Anyone tried that?
Sounds like you haven't tightened up the strap enough. The approach you should take is put the chin cap under your chin, tighten the strap (tight!) and then pump it up. I'd be surprised if the grill was too high then!
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I've tried tightening the strap until in hurts; but no success with the grill. I've obviously got an odd shaped head. Keith Barker's got the same problem in this screen shot - though he has just taken one in the face.
(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l162/adclem1/KeithBarker-Ayrtek-Bouncer_zps352a03c5.jpg)
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So, they've basically designed it so that the peak crumples when hit by a ball. Not only does it look like someone's retrofitted a great big spoiler to a 1970's Volvo, it's also designed to make you buy a new one once you've had an impact rather than keep going as we usually do....
I wonder how long that peak will last in most people's kit bags...
Just a quick bit of clarity regarding this. The flip up peak only comes on the top model. The lower models have a smaller gap between peak and grille.
The flip peak is intended for repeat use, before eventually failing, it can then be replaced. You could manually flip it up and down a few dozen times each day and it would probably fail after a few weeks, but realistically most people will take at most, a handful of this kind of impact over their career. The intention is that even if you do need to replace the flip peak, this is a helmet for life. Unless of course you somehow manage to break the shell. My lid has been known to go sailing over a pavilion after a big punt from my right foot. It was only held in one piece by the cloth after that....
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Have the new tests been conducted yet?
If they haven't, how can you take delivery of a product that has not yet passed the new test?
It all seems a bit presumptive for Masuri and Ayrtek to be steaming ahead with production on models that have not been tested by the new safety standard.
...unless of course, they know something we all don't?
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Vic, I don't think you understand how testing of this type works. Or how publicity of products works.
Both manufacturers have access to testing facilities that allows them to confirm they will pass the standard when the BSI Labs are able to test them. The BSI approval is a rubber stamp exercise on what has already been checked by the makers.
You'll note that neither brand has advertised meeting the standard yet or being standard compliant, just that they have a high level of confidence that this will be met.
The confidence doesn't come from a quick prayer....
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Vic, I don't think you understand how testing of this type works. Or how publicity of products works.
Both manufacturers have access to testing facilities that allows them to confirm they will pass the standard when the BSI Labs are able to test them. The BSI approval is a rubber stamp exercise on what has already been checked by the makers.
You'll note that neither brand has advertised meeting the standard yet or being standard compliant, just that they have a high level of confidence that this will be met.
The confidence doesn't come from a quick prayer....
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I get the part that they have "confidence" in their product...but given that the new testing facility - as of a month ago - wasn't even built yet, and as a result nobody could be reasonably certain what outcome the new testing procedure would have on their product (misplaced confidence or otherwise). So, to be ploughing ahead with full scale production and for retailers to be risking flushing money down the drain by stocking potentially non-compliant helmets smacks of either hubris on both parties part, or some inside info that nobody is privy to.
Either way, it seems rather odd and jumping the gun big time.
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I get the part that they have "confidence" in their product...but given that the new testing facility - as of a month ago - wasn't even built yet, and as a result nobody could be reasonably certain what outcome the new testing procedure would have on their product (misplaced confidence or otherwise). So, to be ploughing ahead with full scale production and for retailers to be risking flushing money down the drain by stocking potentially non-compliant helmets smacks of either hubris on both parties part, or some inside info that nobody is privy to.
Either way, it seems rather odd and jumping the gun big time.
Given that the standard and test required are known and that there are existing non-BSI labs that allow a high degree of confidence in whether you will pass the required test, I don't see where the issue is.
It's like ncap testing for cars.
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I get the part that they have "confidence" in their product...but given that the new testing facility - as of a month ago - wasn't even built yet, and as a result nobody could be reasonably certain what outcome the new testing procedure would have on their product (misplaced confidence or otherwise). So, to be ploughing ahead with full scale production and for retailers to be risking flushing money down the drain by stocking potentially non-compliant helmets smacks of either hubris on both parties part, or some inside info that nobody is privy to.
Either way, it seems rather odd and jumping the gun big time.
It's not misplaced confidence, the new BS has a prescribed testing method for helmets. The new BS tests have been replicated in a lab for certain manufacturers to ensure their helmets will pass the new tests. You should be able to replicate the tests exactly in any suitable lab so as to have a high assurance that your product will pass, so for you to say that nobody could be reasonably certain of passing is plainly false. In fact I can't understand how anybody can come to the conclusion you have in your post.
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It's not misplaced confidence, the new BS has a prescribed testing method for helmets. The new BS tests have been replicated in a lab for certain manufacturers to ensure their helmets will pass the new tests. You should be able to replicate the tests exactly in any suitable lab so as to have a high assurance that your product will pass, so for you to say that nobody could be reasonably certain of passing is plainly false. In fact I can't understand how anybody can come to the conclusion you have in your post.
I hate to go over old ground...but it has been mentioned by a number of posters on this site that Shrey will never be supplied/stocked in the UK because "they will not pass the new test".
Given that Shrey has passed all the testing so far, they would appear to be in EXACTLY the same position as the other brands that have "confidence" in their product.
Shrey hasn't failed any tests in the UK yet.
Much like the other brands that are pressing ahead with production.
So please, can you tell me how some helmets "comply" and others - apparently - don't? Given that they have all passed the exact same industry tests? Given that NONE of them have as yet submitted themselves to the new test?
I await your measured response with bated breath.
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But the new helmets have done the new tests, they havnt been conducted by the BSI but they have been done. I imagine Shrey havnt conducted any tests that resemble the new ones. The way I see it is if the old masuri/shrey helmet was going to pass the new tests then there's no way masuri would have made such drastic changes to their helmets given how popular they are and have been for years.
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But the new helmets have done the new tests, they havnt been conducted by the BSI but they have been done. I imagine Shrey havnt conducted any tests that resemble the new ones. The way I see it is if the old masuri/shrey helmet was going to pass the new tests then there's no way masuri would have made such drastic changes to their helmets given how popular they are and have been for years.
You have imagined incorrectly.
Shrey have passed the tests at Loughborough.
They, much like the rest of the industry hopefuls, are merely awaiting the final tick of approval from the as yet to be seen BSI test.
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the test has been "seen" as it was published on 31st Dec 2013 and is available to download to read at a cost.
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Vic, it's hard to be honest understanding your posts, as each post appears to contradict previous ones. I not in the least interested in some kind of helmet brand slanging match. However are you saying that Shrey have been tested as per the new 2013 British Standard tests ? as you go on to say that the tests haven't been seen yet.
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You have imagined incorrectly.
Shrey have passed the tests at Loughborough.
They, much like the rest of the industry hopefuls, are merely awaiting the final tick of approval from the as yet to be seen BSI test.
If they have passed the tests, then it can only be a good thing, as variety and choice benefit everyone.
If you could show a copy of the pass result, I think that would shut us all up.
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You have imagined incorrectly.
Shrey have passed the tests at Loughborough.
They, much like the rest of the industry hopefuls, are merely awaiting the final tick of approval from the as yet to be seen BSI test.
I just dont get why if the current Shrey design will pass why Masuri would quite drastically change theirs, considering little has altered in shape and style in 25 years, why now?
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Who owns the intellectual property? If these Shrey helmets are de-badged Masuri, couldn't/shouldn't Masuri prevent their continued manufacture? Or are Masuri too small to justify the legal costs? Or are they hoping that they'll just be rendered un-saleable in jurisdictions that adopt the tighter standards?
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the test has been "seen" as it was published on 31st Dec 2013 and is available to download to read at a cost.
So, you passed the BSI test that hasn't been held yet?
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Vic, it's hard to be honest understanding your posts, as each post appears to contradict previous ones. I not in the least interested in some kind of helmet brand slanging match. However are you saying that Shrey have been tested as per the new 2013 British Standard tests ? as you go on to say that the tests haven't been seen yet.
The new BSI test has not been held.
Shrey has only in February submitted to tests at Loughborough which were passed.
The final test, the new BSI test has yet to be held (as I understand).
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So, you passed the BSI test that hasn't been held yet?
Why is it so hard to comprehend that some helmet manufacturers have tested their helmets IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW BS TESTING METHOD but obviously not the same tests at the actual BSi test lab. So none of the manufacturers have said they have helmets that have passed the BSi test, but have tested as per the new tests and are confident with their results.
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The new BSI test has not been held.
Shrey has only in February submitted to tests at Loughborough which were passed.
The final test, the new BSI test has yet to be held (as I understand).
Vic, I asked you whether Shrey had been tested AS PER the new 2013 BSi test, that is not the same question as have Shrey passed the BSi 2013 test.
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Vic how much do shrey pay you?
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Cannot be bothered to go through 11 pages but I saw Shrey seems to have replaced Masuri in being the most common helmet logo among the international players in the asia cup so there must be something about them. Asia cup was obviously outside UK but surely it must be good enough if the international players are using it unless they are just paying them to use the logos.
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Vic how much do shrey pay you?
The exact same amount that Tom from Ayrtek pays me.
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Why is it so hard to comprehend that some helmet manufacturers have tested their helmets IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW BS TESTING METHOD but obviously not the same tests at the actual BSi test lab. So none of the manufacturers have said they have helmets that have passed the BSi test, but have tested as per the new tests and are confident with their results.
You are the one who does not comprehend.
The testing that the companies put themselves through can in no way be considered the same as the new "2013 BSI" test that has not even been calibrated yet.
You might be intellectually challenged, or perhaps, simply an Ayrtek partisan - good luck to you, I don't really give a flying fig. But, how companies can confidently claim their helmets are compliant with the new BSI and also claim that no retailer on the UK will ever stock Shrey, when the test has not even been calibrated yet, has got me wondering what other ulterior forces are at play.
At this point of time, the only official tests that have been held have been passed by Shrey - the same as the other brands.
To suggest for one second in all seriousness that:
that some helmet manufacturers have tested their helmets IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW BS TESTING METHOD but obviously not the same tests at the actual BSi test lab
...has about as much credibility as the old East Germany and Soviet Union claiming that their athletes "passed all our internal doping testing".
If you believe that, then I am happy to sell you some competitively priced broad acres in Queensland that is visible only at low tide.
At the end of the day, this all boils down to a very overhearing British superiority complex, whereby you refuse to believe that any Asian brand can possibly be as safe/good/durable as a British product. The exact pure racist hubris that brought your despotic empire to its knees is still visible on CBF on an almost daily basis.
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Cannot be bothered to go through 11 pages but I saw Shrey seems to have replaced Masuri in being the most common helmet logo among the international players in the asia cup so there must be something about them. Asia cup was obviously outside UK but surely it must be good enough if the international players are using it unless they are just paying them to use the logos.
Paying them to use the logos?
Then who exactly is making the helmets?
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Ah Vic, good to have you back. Nothing like letting the odd fact about manufacturing get in the way of a good old anti-british rant... Anyhow, don't forget it is an ICC change that has resulted in the British standard and not something the UK came up with on its own...
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Paying them to use the logos?
Then who exactly is making the helmets?
No need for such the sarcastic tone, perhaps a polite response to explain that Shrey were the manufacturers for Masuri would have been better then being so aggressive towards someone who may not have realised the Shrey/Masuri situation
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im also going to ask this again and see if i get an answer.
If the current Shrey design will pass why would Masuri quite drastically change their design, considering little has altered in shape and style in 25 years, why now?
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im also going to ask this again and see if i get an answer.
If the current Shrey design will pass why would Masuri quite drastically change their design, considering little has altered in shape and style in 25 years, why now?
A legitimate question.
Masuri decided to shift production to Britain.
If they were merely worried about passing the new standards, shifting production from India to the UK isn't going to change much, as the production facilities in India are second to none. All they had to do was redesign and continue production where they were.
However, something else is at play here that none of us here would know about...and it has precious little to do with an Indian factory being unable to churn out a new design.
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A legitimate question.
Masuri decided to shift production to Britain.
If they were merely worried about passing the new standards, shifting production from India to the UK isn't going to change much, as the production facilities in India are second to none. All they had to do was redesign and continue production where they were.
However, something else is at play here that none of us here would know about...and it has precious little to do with an Indian factory being unable to churn out a new design.
what would that be?
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Ah Vic, good to have you back. Nothing like letting the odd fact about manufacturing get in the way of a good old anti-british rant... Anyhow, don't forget it is an ICC change that has resulted in the British standard and not something the UK came up with on its own...
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Hi Tim, I fully understand that the ICC is involved...but can you tell me why all this is being driven from the UK? Why should a British Standard be forced upon Australians, South Africans and Indians?
If you wish your cricketers to look Darth Vadar, that is your prerogative...but, why should we be subject to British rules?
The British Empire is dead...get over it. We are not your underlings and we are not going to be dictated to by your nanny state politicians.
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what would that be?
I honestly don't know.
At a guess, there seems to be a push towards re-establishing "Made in Britain" after so much manufacturing had closed up in England and moved production to India and Pakistan. In Australia, most cricket caps, soccer shirts for local club sides etc are all being manufactured in China.
So, it seems to me that great efforts are being made to exclude Asian manufacturers from the UK market so British companies can regain their market share...because on price alone, they cannot compete, so all sorts of hurdles are now being placed in front of Asian companies in order to hamstring them.
Simple protectionism 101.
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Aus/Nz actually have their own standard Vic but as the bsi is viewed as the most challenging to pass that's the one the majority of manufactures choose to test their products too.
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Aus/Nz actually have their own standard Vic but as the bsi is viewed as the most challenging to pass that's the one the majority of manufactures choose to test their products too.
Yeah Tom.
The Aus/NZ safety standard is mentioned in advertising vis-à-vis helmets sold here.
I just see no reason why we should have an extra layer of red tape in place for something that has worked very well here.
I have played cricket long enough to straddle two eras...the pre helmet and the post helmet eras. To be honest in all those years when we did not wear helmets I only saw one injury and that was a wicket keeper copping a top edge in the mouth when he was standing back to a pace bowler. Other than that, I have never seen anyone injured beyond broken fingers in the field.
I once heard of a teenager being killed on the cricket field in Australia back in the early 80's. but that was being hit on the heart, not head.
Hence, why I am inclined to think that our safety standards are more than good enough.
Cheers.
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the ICC have identified the need for improvements as injuries are still occurring in helmets that have passed the 1998 standard.
Whilst we may not see a vast amount of incidents at club level its been viewed as working from the top down as if designs can be made to protect at higher speeds in the international/professional level then they are going to perform at lower speeds seen at lower levels of the game.
Needless to say in order for the time/investment to be spent in updating a standard a case needs to be raised to show the need for this in the 1st place in order for it to be looked at.
At the end of the day the need for improvement will benefit the end user by offering them "safer" helmets that what were previously being sold.
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No need for such situationrcastic tone, perhaps a polite response to explain that Shrey were the manufacturers for Masuri would have been better then being so aggressive towards someone who may not have realised the Shrey/Masuri situation
appreciate it mdg but I didn't find it aggressive and cheers for pointing out shrey masuri situation. I didn't realise they were the same. My point again ...if shrey helmets are good enough for internationals then surely they are good enough for the rest of mere mortals.
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At the end of the day the need for improvement will benefit the end user by offering them "safer" helmets that what were previously being sold.
Amen to that.
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appreciate it mdg but I didn't find it aggressive and cheers for pointing out shrey masuri situation. I didn't realise they were the same. My point again ...if shrey helmets are good enough for internationals then surely they are good enough for the rest of mere mortals.
It wasn't intended as sarcastic and I am glad you didn't take it as such.
Your point of "if shrey helmets are good enough for internationals then surely they are good enough for the rest of mere mortals" has been the crux of my argument from day one.
This will all sort itself out to everyone's satisfaction in the coming months.
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Tbh, I couldn't give a crap about the new standards. I'm never really going to need protection like the pros so I'd happily use a shrey If they are like the old masuri. Leave masuri and co to do the fancy new stuff and make ugly ones
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The problem there is the fact that with the more widely seen use or bowling machines its easy for people to be able To face bowling of the type that "Pros" face as everyone likes to crank it up to see how quick they can face!
As mentioned earlier the whole point of the exercise was to improve safety levels being provided to people not to exile brands from the market but to get a better product as an end result. If ur happy using something that hasn't passed the latest standard then that's your choice but the task we have been challenged with as a brand/designer/manufacture is to produce something that will pass it as directed by the ICC.
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The problem there is the fact that with the more widely seen use or bowling machines its easy for people to be able To face bowling of the type that "Pros" face as everyone likes to crank it up to see how quick they can face!
As mentioned earlier the whole point of the exercise was to improve safety levels being provided to people not to exile brands from the market but to get a better product as an end result. If ur happy using something that hasn't passed the latest standard then that's your choice but the task we have been challenged with as a brand/designer/manufacture is to produce something that will pass it as directed by the ICC.
I wouldn't use a cowboy helmet, but of shrey is basically 2013 masuri's then your not really losing out. I have. O idea what they are like, but just because someone decides to change the goal posts doesn't mean all that went before is now unsafe,
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I wouldn't use a cowboy helmet, but of shrey is basically 2013 masuri's then your not really losing out. I have. O idea what they are like, but just because someone decides to change the goal posts doesn't mean all that went before is now unsafe,
And I think this is the crux of the matter.
Currently I can bat in a helmet, cap or nothing. That is not going to change with the new lids coming in.
All that will change is I will be able to wear a super-helmet, helmet, cap or nothing.
The old stock will be bought up by current players who like the old style.
The new ones will be used eventually if retirement doesn't come first.
Masuri will continue to evolve their helmet to look better when they see sales fall.
Shrey will probably continue and if they have anything about then, they will try to keep it as similar as possible.
Regarding injuries, I have seen maybe 10-12 bad helmet related injuries. Either going through the grill or turning head,so normally due to player that the helmet itself. At least the new lids will stop some of these from happening.
What I mean by bad is bleeding and having to leave the field.
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Sure I must have missed this in another thread but did anyone notice Darren Sammy wearing the new Masuri today? First pro I've seen using one!
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I didn't even notice. Obviously not that ugly and repulsive in the game environment then.
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(http://i.imgur.com/I8W75Ptl.jpg)
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He looks like robocop
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I also did not realise when watching live. My main issue with this helmet was always been the strange ear foam on the initial samples i saw. This one seems much more in keeping with the Masuri range of old.
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I managed to get my hands on one of the x line models yesterday. It is really comfortable & the turning thing on the back ensures you get a nice snug fit and is also fitted with all the internal sweat pads you could want. The gap between the peak and grill is tiny compared to my current masuri, the grill itself would take some getting used to the 2nd bar feels really alien but I think after a couple of nets most people would get used to it. I also dont think it is as light as the current top masuri due to the extravagant air flow system within the shell. Will try to get it on some scales tomorrow.
Would i pay the asking price? No but I do actually like it and might have to do a little ass kissing to get one.
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The plastic peak caught my eye and then I realised what it was!
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Just seem a couple of the Dutch lads in the new masuri helmets.
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After seeing them in real life use, I can't say that I'm any more keen on them than I was with just the product photos. Time to invest in a Masuri pre-2014 whilst I still can. Has any of the public actually got one themselves yet or are they still on pre-order lark?
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They are due to arrive in stock 'imminently'
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjvEeieIMAABjfR.jpg:large)
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I don't think they seem nearly as bad in "real life"
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morgan using it now
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Morgan looks like hes squinting as if struggling to see??
That double bar does look awful.
But i suppose if it did effrct them theyd just call for snother helmet.
Ear pieces have changed, dodgy looking plastic things replaced with normal foam.
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He would have practised in the nets before, and would have to like it.
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They are due to arrive in stock 'imminently'
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjvEeieIMAABjfR.jpg:large)
On another note this is great exposure for Matt and H4L, bravo, hard work pays off.
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Morgan is in fire... I'm sure he can see!
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(http://i.imgur.com/1n66tzzl.png)
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buttler as well now, guessing all the masuri users in the squad will be using them
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Morgan is in fire... I'm sure he can see!
He just said "couldnt see long on in this helmet"
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In all fairness.It doesn't look that bad 'in action'.It looks a lot better than the promo pics.I suppose the proof will be in the pudding.How the double bar is when wearing it.Ill still stick to my Masuri elite though
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He just said "couldnt see long on in this helmet"
Where he say that?
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Sammy wearing the new lid
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Sammy wearing the new lid
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Yep, he wore it in the last game too. ;)
([url]http://i.imgur.com/I8W75Ptl.jpg[/url])
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Looks ok to me. What the helmet looks like is the least of my problems when I'm batting!
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A question guys, is the grill mobile or stationed? In other words, can it be moved back or forth to adjust the gap between face and grill?
Ta.
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It's fixed in place.
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Sorry for digging this up from the depths.
I'm just wondering how many people who ripped this helmet to pieces have now actually got one? Seems to be the most popular helmet around the international teams now.
I am actually really interested to see some of the guys who said it was the death of Masuri etc have changed their mind, has the shape etc grown on them or do they still hate it?
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I made this thread. And admitably it has grown on me. But I don't own one yet......
But it has changed considerably since the original pics we slated.
Folding peak has gone.
Plastic ear pieces removed and replaced with traditional foam ones
Double bar grill slightly redesigned to bring bars closer and it'support beams changed.
So although opinions gave changed, do has the helmet, they won't admit it. But maybe masuri listened to customers on release and made it more appealing.
It's still heavy though.
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I made this thread. And admitably it has grown on me. But I don't own one yet......
But it has changed considerably since the original pics we slated.
Folding peak has gone.
Plastic ear pieces removed and replaced with traditional foam ones
Double bar grill slightly redesigned to bring bars closer and it'support beams changed.
So although opinions gave changed, do has the helmet, they won't admit it. But maybe masuri listened to customers on release and made it more appealing.
It's still heavy though.
Fair points.
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Original masuri twitter release
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/CB1887DD-7C7C-46E5-AC7A-A4AB9D8455F4-2869-0000040C3E5B4425_zps6d64513a.jpg)
Helmet for sale
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/masurielitetitanium15_zpsfvxczjlb.jpg) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/masurielitetitanium15_zpsfvxczjlb.jpg.html)
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I have always been a fan :D
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Also if you get it personalised with a club logo and the club logo is too big to fit with the front air vents they cover the vents with cloth so it looks even more like the traditional Masauri.
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Also if you get it personalised with a club logo and the club logo is too big to fit with the front air vents they cover the vents with cloth so it looks even more like the traditional Masauri.
You can request to have vents covered anyway if you prefer, i have just done this for a customers new helmet with club logo.
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Does covering the vents effect the airflow/ventilation much?
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Does covering the vents effect the airflow/ventilation much?
No idea. I assume it will have some impact but ultimately it is a piece of porous material, not a total airblock.
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Saw one of these in person last night at nets for the first time. They feel very heavy in the hand but not so bad on the head. The double bar also doesn't impact vision as i thought it might. You dont really notice the higher one as it is set back and you simply look past it. I'm turning into a big fan of this helmet after seeing it.
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Its good to hear the Masuri's are now getting some positive feedback.
The idea behind the double bar design on the Elite is to actually give you an extra 4mm - 5mm of vision, compared to the Club and Test models.
By dropping the single bar on the Club and Test down by 5mm, they have added the second bar in its place, but then set it back so its not in your field of vision.
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Does covering the vents effect the airflow/ventilation much?
I would argue how much of a noticeable affect do the two air vents have in the first place
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Anyone else spot this?: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2949700/Phillip-Hughes-tragedy-prompts-British-firm-Masuri-redesign-cricket-helmets.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2949700/Phillip-Hughes-tragedy-prompts-British-firm-Masuri-redesign-cricket-helmets.html)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/11/25936D9100000578-0-image-a-1_1423683026281.jpg)
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Anyone else spot this?: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2949700/Phillip-Hughes-tragedy-prompts-British-firm-Masuri-redesign-cricket-helmets.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2949700/Phillip-Hughes-tragedy-prompts-British-firm-Masuri-redesign-cricket-helmets.html[/url])
([url]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/11/25936D9100000578-0-image-a-1_1423683026281.jpg[/url])
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33533.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33533.0)
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Ah I must have missed that one.
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I can't see this catching on when you consider that the majority of pros aren't even wearing the new style double bar helmets.
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A little piece about the honeycomb side protection on the beeb.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31421607 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31421607)
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I can't see this catching on when you consider that the majority of pros aren't even wearing the new style double bar helmets.
I'd say a narrow majority of the international players are now wearing an updated lid if not necessarily a Masuri one. Quick scroll through recent Cricinfo photos confirms this.