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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #165 on: March 15, 2014, 02:07:11 PM »

The new BSI test has not been held.

Shrey has only in February submitted to tests at Loughborough which were passed.

The final test, the new BSI test has yet to be held (as I understand).
Vic, I asked you whether Shrey had been tested AS PER the new 2013 BSi test, that is not the same question as have Shrey passed the BSi 2013 test.
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #166 on: March 15, 2014, 04:53:30 PM »

Vic how much do shrey pay you?
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #167 on: March 16, 2014, 06:02:51 AM »

Cannot be bothered to go through 11 pages but I saw Shrey seems to have replaced Masuri in being the most common helmet logo among the international players in the asia cup so there must be something about them. Asia cup was obviously outside UK but surely it must be good enough if the international players are using it unless they are just paying them to use the logos.
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #168 on: March 16, 2014, 07:34:36 AM »

Vic how much do shrey pay you?

The exact same amount that Tom from Ayrtek pays me.
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #169 on: March 16, 2014, 07:48:16 AM »

Why is it so hard to comprehend that some helmet manufacturers have tested their helmets IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW BS TESTING METHOD but obviously not the same tests at the actual BSi test lab. So none of the manufacturers have said they have helmets that have passed the BSi test, but have tested as per the new tests and are confident with their results.

You are the one who does not comprehend.

The testing that the companies put themselves through can in no way be considered the same as the new "2013 BSI" test that has not even been calibrated yet.

You might be intellectually challenged, or perhaps, simply an Ayrtek partisan - good luck to you, I don't really give a flying fig. But, how companies can confidently claim their helmets are compliant with the new BSI and also claim that no retailer on the UK will ever stock Shrey, when the test has not even been calibrated yet, has got me wondering what other ulterior forces are at play.

At this point of time, the only official tests that have been held have been passed by Shrey - the same as the other brands.

To suggest for one second in all seriousness that:

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that some helmet manufacturers have tested their helmets IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW BS TESTING METHOD but obviously not the same tests at the actual BSi test lab

...has about as much credibility as the old East Germany and Soviet Union claiming that their athletes "passed all our internal doping testing".

If you believe that, then I am happy to sell you some competitively priced broad acres in Queensland that is visible only at low tide.

At the end of the day, this all boils down to a very overhearing British superiority complex, whereby you refuse to believe that any Asian brand can possibly be as safe/good/durable as a British product. The exact pure racist hubris that brought your despotic empire to its knees is still visible on CBF on an almost daily basis.
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #170 on: March 16, 2014, 07:50:51 AM »

Cannot be bothered to go through 11 pages but I saw Shrey seems to have replaced Masuri in being the most common helmet logo among the international players in the asia cup so there must be something about them. Asia cup was obviously outside UK but surely it must be good enough if the international players are using it unless they are just paying them to use the logos.

Paying them to use the logos?

Then who exactly is making the helmets?
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #171 on: March 16, 2014, 09:13:28 AM »

Ah Vic,  good to have you back.  Nothing like letting the odd fact about manufacturing get in the way of a good old anti-british rant...  Anyhow, don't forget it is an ICC change that has resulted in the British standard and not something the UK came up with on its own... 

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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #172 on: March 16, 2014, 09:38:25 AM »

Paying them to use the logos?

Then who exactly is making the helmets?

No need for such the sarcastic tone, perhaps a polite response to explain that Shrey were the manufacturers for Masuri would have been better then being so aggressive towards someone who may not have realised the Shrey/Masuri situation
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #173 on: March 16, 2014, 09:46:37 AM »

im also going to ask this again and see if i get an answer.

If the current Shrey design will pass why would Masuri quite drastically change their design, considering little has altered in shape and style in 25 years, why now?
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #174 on: March 16, 2014, 12:35:54 PM »

im also going to ask this again and see if i get an answer.

If the current Shrey design will pass why would Masuri quite drastically change their design, considering little has altered in shape and style in 25 years, why now?

A legitimate question.

Masuri decided to shift production to Britain.

If they were merely worried about passing the new standards, shifting production from India to the UK isn't going to change much, as the production facilities in India are second to none. All they had to do was redesign and continue production where they were.

However, something else is at play here that none of us here would know about...and it has precious little to do with an Indian factory being unable to churn out a new design.

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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #175 on: March 16, 2014, 12:37:11 PM »

A legitimate question.

Masuri decided to shift production to Britain.

If they were merely worried about passing the new standards, shifting production from India to the UK isn't going to change much, as the production facilities in India are second to none. All they had to do was redesign and continue production where they were.

However, something else is at play here that none of us here would know about...and it has precious little to do with an Indian factory being unable to churn out a new design.

what would that be?
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #176 on: March 16, 2014, 12:39:45 PM »

Ah Vic,  good to have you back.  Nothing like letting the odd fact about manufacturing get in the way of a good old anti-british rant...  Anyhow, don't forget it is an ICC change that has resulted in the British standard and not something the UK came up with on its own... 

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Hi Tim, I fully understand that the ICC is involved...but can you tell me why all this is being driven from the UK? Why should a British Standard be forced upon Australians, South Africans and Indians?

If you wish your cricketers to look Darth Vadar, that is your prerogative...but, why should we be subject to British rules?

The British Empire is dead...get over it. We are not your underlings and we are not going to be dictated to by your nanny state politicians.
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #177 on: March 16, 2014, 12:44:50 PM »

what would that be?

I honestly don't know.

At a guess, there seems to be a push towards re-establishing "Made in Britain" after so much manufacturing had closed up in England and moved production to India and Pakistan. In Australia, most cricket caps, soccer shirts for local club sides etc are all being manufactured in China.

So, it seems to me that great efforts are being made to exclude Asian manufacturers from the UK market so British companies can regain their market share...because on price alone, they cannot compete, so all sorts of hurdles are now being placed in front of Asian companies in order to hamstring them.

Simple protectionism 101.
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #178 on: March 16, 2014, 12:44:54 PM »

Aus/Nz actually have their own standard Vic but as the bsi is viewed as the most challenging to pass that's the one the majority of manufactures choose to test their products too.
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Re: New masuri helmet pics released
« Reply #179 on: March 16, 2014, 12:52:07 PM »

Aus/Nz actually have their own standard Vic but as the bsi is viewed as the most challenging to pass that's the one the majority of manufactures choose to test their products too.

Yeah Tom.

The Aus/NZ safety standard is mentioned in advertising vis-à-vis helmets sold here.

I just see no reason why we should have an extra layer of red tape in place for something that has worked very well here.

I have played cricket long enough to straddle two eras...the pre helmet and the post helmet eras. To be honest in all those years when we did not wear helmets I only saw one injury and that was a wicket keeper copping a top edge in the mouth when he was standing back to a pace bowler. Other than that, I have never seen anyone injured beyond broken fingers in the field.

I once heard of a teenager being killed on the cricket field in Australia back in the early 80's. but that was being hit on the heart, not head.

Hence, why I am inclined to think that our safety standards are more than good enough.

Cheers.
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