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General Cricket => World Cricket => Topic started by: smilley792 on August 26, 2013, 02:43:09 PM
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this may just be me. but im gonna put my thoughts on this out there anyway. shoot me down if you so wish..
not a fan of odi's at moment.
maybe because they are false, they are manipulated to create entertainment out of the game.
maybe its because they are nothing like what i play in on a Saturday.
or maybe it is my thinking after watching yesterday ashes game. mainly Englands last innings. it felt like a li.tied overs game. it felt like the games i play in on a Saturday. it was exciting. it was nerve jangling. and most iimportantly it was entertaining.
so here my proposal.
no bowling restrictions. if Harris can bowl 25overs. let him. and stop batsmen merely seeing the best bowlers off.
no fielding.restrictions/powerplays. pieterson couldn't smash sixes as men was on every boundary. so he had to use his head. let the captain shove fielders where he wishes.
no leg side wide. if you can leg glance it. its a legitimate delivery
play in whites! if its a day game and starts early enough. then red ball and white clothing. look better and more traditional.
day/nights can use a pink ball.
i just think uf you get rid off all the dat rules that are meant to bring entertainment. then it will be more entertaining. yesterday test chase was better than any odi I've watched for sometime(have not watched them all)
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this may just be me. but im gonna put my thoughts on this out there anyway. shoot me down if you so wish..
not a fan of odi's at moment.
maybe because they are false, they are manipulated to create entertainment out of the game.
maybe its because they are nothing like what i play in on a Saturday.
or maybe it is my thinking after watching yesterday ashes game. mainly Englands last innings. it felt like a li.tied overs game. it felt like the games i play in on a Saturday. it was exciting. it was nerve jangling. and most iimportantly it was entertaining.
so here my proposal.
no bowling restrictions. if Harris can bowl 25overs. let him. and stop batsmen merely seeing the best bowlers off.
no fielding.restrictions/powerplays. pieterson couldn't smash sixes as men was on every boundary. so he had to use his head. let the captain shove fielders where he wishes.
no leg side wide. if you can leg glance it. its a legitimate delivery
play in whites! if its a day game and starts early enough. then red ball and white clothing. look better and more traditional.
day/nights can use a pink ball.
i just think uf you get rid off all the dat rules that are meant to bring entertainment. then it will be more entertaining. yesterday test chase was better than any odi I've watched for sometime(have not watched them all)
Is that not just test cricket?
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i didn't think id actually have to put it. but the first reply shows i should have.
obviously im still proposing the game stays to a limit of say 50 overs and one innings each.
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Well seeing as you have just put the rules of test cricket down, then perhaps you should have clarified. Explain how these rules would improve the game. It will just end up with far less runs being scored in 50 overs. That sure would be more exciting :-[ Seems a bit stupid to me!
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I think there should be 2 innings of 25 overs per side so a "test match" one day
We have played this twice and I tell you what it is great fun plus you get 2 bites
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The recent tweaks to limited overs are the reason cricket is ever so popular and accessible to all. Once upon a time limited overs game wouldn't have been far from what you have described but there are reasons why it all changed or evolved to be more precise.
Not everyone is traditional and it shouldn't stop them from enjoying the game
It is the only way forward.
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It has been mentioned before but the best ODI's in my opinion is where it is a fair contest between bat and ball. They have tried a couple of tweaks to give the bowlers a fairer crack (bouncer rule, 2 new balls etc.) but I think the authorities wrongly believe lots of runs = entertainment. Simply play on wickets that give the bowlers a chance rather than having to come up with a million variations just to stop the slog over the top.
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i suppose some people think constant six hitting with little worry of being caught is exciting.
me personally prefer to see a batsmen have to think about maneuvering the ball about to up the run rate.
as said England chasing in the last innings of the 5th test was exciting. and it was not manufactured by rules and field restrictions.
does more runs make a better game? not to me it doesn't.
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OP wants more boring ODI's :D
Yesterday it was a wise decision to called it off because fielders on Boundryline were having no clue wats happening in the circle infact not spotting the ball.... i recalled Eng vs Pak in Karachi Test... where Moin Khan complained but Steve Bucknor didnt listened :)
OHHHHH I HAVE JUST COMPLETED MY CENTURY OF POSTS :P
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Maybe new rules for test match cricket?
Changing to white ball and coloured kit after a certain time? That way games won't be ending at silly early times because of "bad light"
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It will just end up with far less runs being scored in 50 overs. That sure would be more exciting :-[ Seems a bit stupid to me!
counterintuitive maybe, but right. Think about it - even when Australia and South Africa were sharing 860, it was never that entertaining because the ball was little more than a golf ball on a tee for John Daly to hit and sixes get boring after a while if you know that the bowler has little hope, however skilfully he may bowl, of preventing them. The best and most exciting one dayers are the ones where sixes elicit a gasp, good bowlers are played out and 100 is a matchwinning innings rather than a tardy strike rate.
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I think there should be 2 innings of 25 overs per side so a "test match" one day
We have played this twice and I tell you what it is great fun plus you get 2 bites
Played this a couple of times myself. Always comes down to the first innings as once you have a lead, it is easy to maintain it.
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counterintuitive maybe, but right. Think about it - even when Australia and South Africa were sharing 860, it was never that entertaining because the ball was little more than a golf ball on a tee for John Daly to hit and sixes get boring after a while if you know that the bowler has little hope, however skilfully he may bowl, of preventing them. The best and most exciting one dayers are the ones where sixes elicit a gasp, good bowlers are played out and 100 is a matchwinning innings rather than a tardy strike rate.
OK I agree, but take away the leg side wide rule, and if a team gets too close to winning 'hell, we'll just throw it down the leg side and pack the leg side field'. No fielding restrictions, 'we'll just put every-one on the boundary and stop you from scoring'. No restrictions on bowlers, 'we'll pick 8 batsman and 3 bowlers, then it won't matter if we lose a hat full of wickets'
The answer is to spice up the pitches, not change the rules!
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No offence to the OP but we already have test cricket to cater all the rules he has mentioned ( apart from it's being 50 overs.)
No point bringing 50 overs cricket to look like test cricket because there are hell of a lot of people who enjoy the 50 over game as it is.
My opinion is , don't fix if it ain't broken.
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No offence to the OP but we already have test cricket to cater all the rules he has mentioned ( apart from it's being 50 overs.)
No point bringing 50 overs cricket to look like test cricket because there are hell of a lot of people who enjoy the 50 over game as it is.
My opinion is , don't fix if it ain't broken.
Just get rid of all the stupid rules at the amateur level. No restrictions on bowlers, fielders etc. id even say getnridmofmthe rigid 40/45/50/55 overs a side and just have 100 overs a game and first team can bat up to 60 overs. Only rule would be if you bat longer than 45 overs first up you'd get less pts for drawing the game than the oppo ( ie to stop teams just batting all day and hoping the oppo gift their wickets away slogging ). Bring back the bonus for drawing and force pure batting teams down the league where they deserve
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Personally Saturday league cricket is bloody dreadful and I don't know many players that don't believe this either. Your team produce an outstanding performance of getting 250-280ish only for the opposition to block/show no intention of going for the win by just aiming for the losing draw points. This attitude is bound to appear with your format at ODI level if introduced. Also Test side already only pick 4 bowlers for a 5 day game so we'll see it come down to just 2 or 3 and pack the team with batsmen, of which some might bowl a few if needed. The answer as others have said is a balance between bat and ball and stop making it just a slog fest where the teams who can smack it the further wins.
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Personally Saturday league cricket is bloody dreadful and I don't know many players that don't believe this either. Your team produce an outstanding performance of getting 250-280ish only for the opposition to block/show no intention of going for the win by just aiming for the losing draw points. This attitude is bound to appear with your format at ODI level if introduced. Also Test side already only pick 4 bowlers for a 5 day game so we'll see it come down to just 2 or 3 and pack the team with batsmen, of which some might bowl a few if needed. The answer as others have said is a balance between bat and ball and stop making it just a slog fest where the teams who can smack it the further wins.
The slog is what you get now though ?! Seems to be a lot of 'batting' sides who really can't bowl but can just out slog everyone. It's up there as the most Boring games I play in, even when we win them. The draw brings more tactics, ok so your team 'bat well' for 250 but if you have a strong bowling line up or the oppo are crap then maybe declare earlier to tempt them. Plus teams will have to work more for their wickets rather than rely on batsmen slogging and gifting their wicket away. Currently far too many crap bowling sides who bat seem to do well which seems wrong
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I actually enjoyed the champions trophy a lot this year. The 50 over league cricket is not all that dissimilar to the stuff that the pro's play. It also depends on which teams are playing, England will be boring unless their plan A goes well. 6 and over first pp, 5 an over middle overs, 9 an over last 5-10. But a team like WI will be blazing it from the start, but are susceptible to monumental collapses = boring one sided games. Regardless of runs or wickets its how evenly matched the teams are that'll give a good game!
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The answer is to spice up the pitches, not change the rules!
This
and a decent amount of altitude helps as well...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/rsavaus/engine/current/match/238200.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/rsavaus/engine/current/match/238200.html)
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How about letting the fans know that players are going to be rested prior to buying odi tickets. Absolute joke paying soo much for odi tickets to find a "B" team
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How about letting the fans know that players are going to be rested prior to buying odi tickets. Absolute joke paying soo much for odi tickets to find a "B" team
It's not really much of a B team. I would presume the team would be :
Wright
Carberry
Trott
Pietersen
Morgan
Stokes or Bopara or Root
Buttler
Tredwell
Rankin
Finn
Overton or Jordan
Except Jordan , Overton and possibly Bopara and Rankin I'd have said most of them would have got in the squad anyway!
Most countries around the world now have about half the test squad missing from their one day squads! Whats wrong with us starting to do the same when we have quite a few one day specialists?
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Just get rid of all the stupid rules at the amateur level. No restrictions on bowlers, fielders etc. id even say getnridmofmthe rigid 40/45/50/55 overs a side and just have 100 overs a game and first team can bat up to 60 overs. Only rule would be if you bat longer than 45 overs first up you'd get less pts for drawing the game than the oppo ( ie to stop teams just batting all day and hoping the oppo gift their wickets away slogging ). Bring back the bonus for drawing and force pure batting teams down the league where they deserve
This is a great point. We are seeing so many batting teams in our league who bat first, blast it round and put 9 men on the boundary to defend the total. We need to play timed games in all leagues, then we'd see more captains thinking about how to take wickets, rather than get in the mindset of "blast as many as possible and defend the boundary".
To my mind that would make much more exciting cricket than a 45 over slogathon for both sides.