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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Gunn & Moore => Topic started by: simonmay5 on November 01, 2013, 02:25:48 PM
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I used nick in the past to get me top quality bats and boy did he get me a superb bat with 21 grains I let the pictures do the talking
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Ah right, so this is the special GM you were talking about! These are the GMs for the Indian market, right? The profile reminds me of the Argon a bit. :)
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Ah right, so this is the special GM you were talking about! These are the GMs for the Indian market, right? The profile reminds me of the Argon a bit. :)
Yes I spoke with Steve wilkinson from gm and he said the bats made in India are meant for aus and sa nz so had a bit off luck with it as its a stunning bat very pleased with it :)
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You definitely won't like that bat Simon, in fact to save the aggro of knocking in and netting with it to find out I'll happily take it off your hands now.
I'm only offering as a favour to you ;)
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What's the pressing like on this, how does it compare to the UK made GM's?
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What's the pressing like on this, how does it compare to the UK made GM's?
The uk bats take a lot off time to play in tapping the ball up on this the response is very good I would say the uk ones are made to last a few years and the Indian ones will perform from ball one but might not last as long :)
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Since when did GM have English Willow bats made in India? :o
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The uk bats take a lot off time to play in tapping the ball up on this the response is very good I would say the uk ones are made to last a few years and the Indian ones will perform from ball one but might not last as long :)
Thanks for that, how does the finishing compare as well?
Looks like there's a nasty dent on the back or it is me, does it have much concaving?
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Since when did GM have bats made in India? :o
For a few years now they have licensed out production of bats sold in the subcontinental market to a factory in India, these bats don't carry the DXM logo which refers to GM's CAD and CAM process. I'm not sure the info about bats made for SA, NZ & Aus being produced in India is correct.
When i visited GM i saw a number of bats boxed and ready to go, i was told they were going to SA.
Also, every bat i can see on the Aussie retail websites carries the DXM logo and also a made in England sticker.
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Strange bat indeed. Certainly has lovely grains.
But the profile is nothing like an octane, more an ss ton with gm stickers
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For a few years now they have licensed out production of bats sold in the subcontinental market to a factory in India, these bats don't carry the DXM logo which refers to GM's CAD and CAM process. I'm not sure the info about bats made for SA, NZ & Aus being produced in India is correct.
When i visited GM i saw a number of bats boxed and ready to go, i was told they were going to SA.
Also, every bat i can see on the Aussie retail websites carries the DXM logo and also a made in England sticker.
A guy called Steve wilkinson said to me that the factory in India make bats for the Southern Hemisphere so that's the information he gave me :)
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Thanks for that, how does the finishing compare as well?
Looks like there's a nasty dent on the back or it is me, does it have much concaving?
They are not bad but not as good as the uk finishing and it has got a dent in the spine dam postman >:(
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For a few years now they have licensed out production of bats sold in the subcontinental market to a factory in India, these bats don't carry the DXM logo which refers to GM's CAD and CAM process. I'm not sure the info about bats made for SA, NZ & Aus being produced in India is correct.
When i visited GM i saw a number of bats boxed and ready to go, i was told they were going to SA.
Also, every bat i can see on the Aussie retail websites carries the DXM logo and also a made in England sticker.
DMX logos! I knew there was something different about this bat's stickers but I couldn't put my finger on it
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Strange bat indeed. Certainly has lovely grains.
But the profile is nothing like an octane, more an ss ton with gm stickers
That's exactly what I thought. There's a shot looking down the back of it towards the floor and profile reminded me of just that.
Very nice if you are into your grains though (personally I'm not a heartwood fan, but I might overlook that for this face).
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Absolute stunner in my view.
I would say the shape is like an SS, though I quite like that.
Would make sense that it is a bat made for sub continental markets if GM is trying to penetrate the Asian market.
Though looking at that bat and joe roots bat... Not much difference!
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Although this is a lovely looking bat - my guess is that this is just an SG Indian bat with Indian GM stickers on.
If you are going to buy a GM bat, my view is buy a GM bat made in Nottingham.
If you want to buy an Indian bat, buy an Indian bat from a reputable source.
This isn't a slight on the quality of the bats made in either place - just that this feels wrong to me.
For me a high end GM bat should be a DXM bat.
Otherwise why not just get a much cheaper Indian bat?
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To know how much it cost would be interesting...
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Although this is a lovely looking bat - my guess is that this is just an SG Indian bat with Indian GM stickers on.
If you are going to buy a GM bat, my view is buy a GM bat made in Nottingham.
If you want to buy an Indian bat, buy an Indian bat from a reputable source.
This isn't a slight on the quality of the bats made in either place - just that this feels wrong to me.
Otherwise why not just get a much cheaper Indian bat?
For me the top gm bats should be made in the uk but at the price I payed I am happy and pleased it is a genuine gm as confirmed by Steve wilkinson one thing I will say I sure it will go as well as the top off the range uk model :)
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Just cleaned dent up witch I am pleased it was not deep nice grains going thought toe (http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r659/Simonalfie5/image_zps49cbfd7c.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Simonalfie5/media/image_zps49cbfd7c.jpg.html)(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r659/Simonalfie5/image_zpsbee9fec4.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Simonalfie5/media/image_zpsbee9fec4.jpg.html)(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r659/Simonalfie5/image_zps771c25f2.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Simonalfie5/media/image_zps771c25f2.jpg.html)(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r659/Simonalfie5/image_zps90391ede.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Simonalfie5/media/image_zps90391ede.jpg.html)
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Gave it a nice coat off oil and will give it two hours on the mallet and give it a new coat and finish knocking in then I skuff sheet it I think it will be a real run machine :)
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Just on what Jake said I have only ever seen the DMX with the made in England stickers in the retailers here in Aus as well... Have never seen any Indian GM bats here
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Just on what Jake said I have only ever seen the DMX with the made in England stickers in the retailers here in Aus as well... Have never seen any Indian GM bats here
I must say I was very surprised that the chap from gm told me that they wear for India and aus as nz the only thing what model would gm them selfs grade this as in the uk it would get down graded for the heartwood even tho it taps up better than some off my more expensive bats I am happy with it :)
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looks is no guarantee of performance
I have tapped up a few bats recently and one that looks like someone has pee'ed on it and stained when it dried is possibly the best bat i have ever had my hands on.
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I must say I was very surprised that the chap from gm told me that they wear for India and aus as nz the only thing what model would gm them selfs grade this as in the uk it would get down graded for the heartwood even tho it taps up better than some off my more expensive bats I am happy with it :)
Who is to know for sure mate, only GM really. Could be that he didn't want you to ask too many more questions about the subject so said that those bats are intended for the southern hempisphere market. Could be anything really. But i know for sure Nottingham makes and supplies bats to Aus/NZ/SA retailers. I also know as Number4 has confirmed that bats in those markets display the DXM and make in England stickers.
The Indian mades are strictly for the subcontinetal market, obviously people have their sources but still i don't think GM want to go down the route of people in the UK (or Aus/NZ/SA) buying the Indian ones, hence his story to throw you off the scent.
All guess work of course, and forums are here to dig a little deeper into the statements made by manufacturers.
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Where's Ed when you need him.
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Who is to know for sure mate, only GM really. Could be that he didn't want you to ask too many more questions about the subject so said that those bats are intended for the southern hempisphere market. Could be anything really. But i know for sure Nottingham makes and supplies bats to Aus/NZ/SA retailers. I also know as Number4 has confirmed that bats in those markets display the DXM and make in England stickers.
The Indian mades are strictly for the subcontinetal market, obviously people have their sources but still i don't think GM want to go down the route of people in the UK (or Aus/NZ/SA) buying the Indian ones, hence his story to throw you off the scent.
All guess work of course, and forums are here to dig a little deeper into the statements made by manufacturers.
When I first saw the bat I thought fake straight away but I decided to send the pictures to gm with all my details and Steve rang me back to confirm it was genuine and that it was a Indian bat but he went on to say about the bats made in India are for a set market off India aus and nz as I assume it for the cheaper end off bat maybe 303 or something around that grade I think this bat was made in the factory and sold on to local people for good money it came in a very nice gm case but who really knows ? I am happy with what I payed for it and sure it serve me well
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I'm a nosey git, so I want to know how much did you pay Simon?? :D
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May e I am being thick but how did you come across this mate? I didn't think GM sold direct from the factory or did you get this online from India?
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May e I am being thick but how did you come across this mate? I didn't think GM sold direct from the factory or did you get this online from India?
I did not get it from India I got it off a guy who I use on eBay for all my ss gear and he had it I am pleased with it as it not even knocked in and the ball is pining like crazy
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When I first saw the bat I thought fake straight away but I decided to send the pictures to gm with all my details and Steve rang me back to confirm it was genuine and that it was a Indian bat but he went on to say about the bats made in India are for a set market off India aus and nz as I assume it for the cheaper end off bat maybe 303 or something around that grade I think this bat was made in the factory and sold on to local people for good money it came in a very nice gm case but who really knows ? I am happy with what I payed for it and sure it serve me well
Could be lower end Aus bats are made in India yes. I have only ever looked at the mid-higher range stuff to be honest.
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Could be lower end Aus bats are made in India yes. I have only ever looked at the mid-higher range stuff to be honest.
I got a feeling it was made in their factory in India and someone sold it on out off the factory to make a few extra pounds but who knows all I know is when I sent photos to Steve he rang straight back and left a voice mail on my phone stating about the bats in India be nice for someone else to hear it
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I have never seen in Australia a GM Octane F2 that has this much concaving - it does not seem to be in the correct shape and given the CAD/DXM tech used by GM it would be odd to have such a shape - how could it get through quality control.
Having said this there are GM bats coming to Australia that have not got the GM Now pre-prep treatment but do all have the DXM and the made in England stickers and whenever I've asked why they do not come with GM Now I have been told that many people do not want this and want the option of a natural finish bat. Not sure what to make of all this.
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I have never seen in Australia a GM Octane F2 that has this much concaving - it does not seem to be in the correct shape and given the CAD/DXM tech used by GM it would be odd to have such a shape - how could it get through quality control.
Having said this there are GM bats coming to Australia that have not got the GM Now pre-prep treatment but do all have the DXM and the made in England stickers and whenever I've asked why they do not come with GM Now I have been told that many people do not want this and want the option of a natural finish bat. Not sure what to make of all this.
The Indian bats are not made with CAD/DXM.
I think the main debate is whether bats sold in Aus come from India or Nottingham.
The lack of GM Now does thicken the plot somewhat, maybe Perkins17 can shed some light on it?
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The Indian bats are not made with CAD/DXM.
I think the main debate is whether bats sold in Aus come from India or Nottingham.
The lack of GM Now does thicken the plot somewhat, maybe Perkins17 can shed some light on it?
If you give me your number in morning I play the phone message out loud to you to see what you mate off it mate it's very interesting hearing him tell me about the bats
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Straight off the GM Aus website:
"All GM English Willow bats are produced by our own craftsmen in our own factory in Nottingham, England using these industry-leading techniques."
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And this:
"English Willow
All GM English Willow cricket bats are designed and produced from prime English Willow by our own craftsmen and women in our own factory in Nottingham, England."
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But that is such an ambiguous statement.
Who's not to say the willow is cut and designed there, and not shipped out to India for shaping?
OR This could be a part of a trial being run by GM to see if they can cut costs or could be a concept bat just slapped with some left over octane stickers.
Many possibilities, but its a nice bat. Who cares as long as you didn't pay the world for it!
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But that is such an ambiguous statement.
Who's not to say the willow is cut and designed there, and not shipped out to India for shaping?
OR This could be a part of a trial being run by GM to see if they can cut costs or could be a concept bat just slapped with some left over octane stickers.
Many possibilities, but its a nice bat. Who cares as long as you didn't pay the world for it!
The "industry leading techniques" they are referring to is the DMX/CAD/CAM.
And "produced by our own craftsmen and women in our own factory in Nottingham" I wouldn't really call ambiguous.
Either that or it's false advertising on their website
They also state all bats except the 303 , which has a white polytec coating, has GM NOW and TOETEK.
I'm not saying this GM isn't what it's supposed to be as it does look like a nice piece of willow but it's conflicting from the Aus website
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http://bit.ly/HAwtHz (http://bit.ly/HAwtHz)
Is this your bat?
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Oh dear, DXM process listed in the description.
naughty naughty.
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Since when did GM have English Willow bats made in India? :o
For a long time mate i saw hundreds have a look on facebook at Jeremy Ruggles blog
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Oh dear, DXM process listed in the description.
naughty naughty.
If any one wants to hear the answer phone message on my phone saying what the factory in India made for it shocked me when he came out with it
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Let's be subjective about all of this;
We are a service sector country.
India is a manufacturing sector country.
Why? Cost of labour and specialisation of workforce labour skills.
I would assume GM is producing these goods for some Southern Hemisphere reason, but those two bats being sold in the UK market are probably/should be deemed to be grey market goods.
I'm not saying its right. We have traditionalists here who hate to see the dilution of UK brands and good old British manufacturing - myself being one HOWEVER to make money, you need to embrace change. GM, and many other brands, are now looking to do that. I could get into supply chain management etc but I've already been boring enough.
In terms of this, we need to be careful not to accuse bat makers of lower quality. It's just as easy for TK to turn out a poor bat on a bad day (VERY unlikely, but possible) as it is for an Indian batmaker - we know the money is not a motivator in 99% of cases, and the majority of workshops top Indian brands have, rival the ones here.
BUT I agree the language GM use is misleading and I think this is something which may need to be addressed at the 'Nottingham' offices - or at least make the information readily available to those who want it.
Not all coke cola is made in the USA...
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Let's be subjective about all of this;
We are a service sector country.
India is a manufacturing sector country.
Why? Cost of labour and specialisation of workforce labour skills.
I would assume GM is producing these goods for some Southern Hemisphere reason, but those two bats being sold in the UK market are probably/should be deemed to be grey market goods.
I'm not saying its right. We have traditionalists here who hate to see the dilution of UK brands and good old British manufacturing - myself being one HOWEVER to make money, you need to embrace change. GM, and many other brands, are now looking to do that. I could get into supply chain management etc but I've already been boring enough.
In terms of this, we need to be careful not to accuse bat makers of lower quality. It's just as easy for TK to turn out a poor bat on a bad day (VERY unlikely, but possible) as it is for an Indian batmaker - we know the money is not a motivator in 99% of cases, and the majority of workshops top Indian brands have, rival the ones here.
BUT I agree the language GM use is misleading and I think this is something which may need to be addressed at the 'Nottingham' offices - or at least make the information readily available to those who want it.
Not all coke cola is made in the USA...
But they don't claim it does and clearly advertise on the can/bottle where it was made, whereas GM claim all their bats are made in Nottingham, and don't let you know otherwise...
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The "industry leading techniques" they are referring to is the DMX/CAD/CAM. Really? An industry leading technique could be concaving willow, could refer to the finish, could refer to the toe guard technology for all we know
And "produced by our own craftsmen and women in our own factory in Nottingham" I wouldn't really call ambiguous. I would... What exactly, and to what stage, are they producing?
Either that or it's false advertising on their website
They also state all bats except the 303 , which has a white polytec coating, has GM NOW and TOETEK.
I'm not saying this GM isn't what it's supposed to be as it does look like a nice piece of willow but it's conflicting from the Aus website BUT this only refers to bats CURRENTLY being sold in Oz. This could be about to change...
I'm not doing this to be annoying or pedantic, I just think we need to be really careful as consumers when considering where our goods come from...
For example, Horse meat anyone?!
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But they don't claim it does and clearly advertise on the can/bottle where it was made, whereas GM claim all their bats are made in Nottingham, and don't let you know otherwise...
That's very true mate and I totally agree with you on that point - maybe that is about to change. Who knows?
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This is what it has on the top off the bat (http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r659/Simonalfie5/image_zps3790f482.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Simonalfie5/media/image_zps3790f482.jpg.html)
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But they don't claim it does and clearly advertise on the can/bottle where it was made, whereas GM claim all their bats are made in Nottingham, and don't let you know otherwise...
Looks like gm are celery marking it with made in India under licence
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I'm not doing this to be annoying or pedantic, I just think we need to be really careful as consumers when considering where our goods come from...
For example, Horse meat anyone?!
Have you read the Aus website? They state the industry leading techniques under the DMX tab describing this process
http://aus.gm-cricket.com/heritage/technology/dxm.aspx (http://aus.gm-cricket.com/heritage/technology/dxm.aspx)
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Looks like gm are celery marking it with made in India under licence
They are indeed, it's just their website that's possibly not as forthcoming with the source of their products as it could be
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Does it have 3D stickers mate? Can't quite tell from the pics?
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Does it have 3D stickers mate? Can't quite tell from the pics?
No it does not have the 3d stickers
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Yea , i think is bat isn't from england ,as their is no dxm sticker,no made in england sticker and no grading sticker....but anyway,beautiful grains and i hope you enjoy it :D
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Yea , i think is bat isn't from england ,as their is no dxm sticker,no made in england sticker and no grading sticker....but anyway,beautiful grains and i hope you enjoy it :D
The made in India sticker is the giveaway...
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I'm a huge GM fan and think it is still important for GM to clarify, in the light of information on this thread, that when GM English Willow bats come to say Australia and have DXM stickers but do not have the GM Now treatment and Toe Tek that they are coming from Nottingham UK and not somewhere else.
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These look like the same Indian made Octanes.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-Gunn-Moore-Octane-F2-DXM-Original-GM-Cricket-Bat-21-19-Grains-/171158571921?pt=UK_SportingGoods_CricketBats_SM&hash=item27d9d88b91 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-Gunn-Moore-Octane-F2-DXM-Original-GM-Cricket-Bat-21-19-Grains-/171158571921?pt=UK_SportingGoods_CricketBats_SM&hash=item27d9d88b91)
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These look like the same Indian made Octanes.
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-Gunn-Moore-Octane-F2-DXM-Original-GM-Cricket-Bat-21-19-Grains-/171158571921?pt=UK_SportingGoods_CricketBats_SM&hash=item27d9d88b91[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2013-Gunn-Moore-Octane-F2-DXM-Original-GM-Cricket-Bat-21-19-Grains-/171158571921?pt=UK_SportingGoods_CricketBats_SM&hash=item27d9d88b91[/url])
I think you'll find that number 2 is the same bat mate
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And a very fine thing indeed.
text from the ad...
`Please note these bats are made by GM India and are genuine Gunn and Moore Bats. Due to the high number of grains the performance on these bats are instant and they both tap up superbly. As you can see from the Pictures they have been very well made and finished with a lovely glow to the willow.`
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I think you'll find that number 2 is the same bat mate
Maybe someone should contact Steve wilkinson and ask what model off bat goes to aus and as ln the message he said a number of gm bats are made in India for that market
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Maybe someone should contact Steve wilkinson and ask what model off bat goes to aus and as ln the message he said a number of gm bats are made in India for that market
Will you be bringing this down to nets on Friday? Would love to have a proper gander lol
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Hi all, the bats in pictures are low English willow made in India. Looks like a 404/505/606 and someone has taken off the model number and selling them as super grain top bats etc.
The GM factory in India makes all models uptill 909. Only the original and original LE are imported into India from GM UK. I have been to the GM factory in India and it's one of the best - nice open area, nice new equipment, lots of willow, really good quality control on pressing, handles and willow etc. They got their own cane and were making their own handles too. Having been to a few factories - they were definitely more serious about pressing and handles. Their pressing machines showed how much hydraulic pressure was being applied etc and they vary it - didn't see that anywhere else. The bat in the pictures is lower grade grade 4 at best- the higher ones are better finished. The UK made GMs are pressed more and are harder bats, take time to open. The Indian ones are more softer in terms of pressing. They are same quality as any top end bats.
Best part about the GM India factory was the hand knocking of English willow bats. The Kashmir were knocked in on machines. Apart from the usual range GM India also sell a couple more cheaper bats in English willow.
The higher ones have proper 3d stickers. They all have a hologram as well. Can post some pics of older bats if allowed.
Bats sold in Aus shops come from GM UK.
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Why did Steve say that their is a few higher made bat in the factory and a 404 is not in the same league mate I know its got heartwood on the blade but that does not make it a bad bat I willing to let the forum net bat test this bat against the original version but I know what I was told an if any one doubts what Steve said your more than welcome to listen to the message and if you can find a 404 off that quality I bye the lot :D
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Why did Steve say that their is a few higher made bat in the factory and a 404 is not in the same league mate I know its got heartwood on the blade but that does not make it a bad bat I willing to let the forum net bat test this bat against the original version but I know what I was told an if any one doubts what Steve said your more than welcome to listen to the message and if you can find a 404 off that quality I bye the lot :D
I do not see this as a 404 model or anywhere near that low. But anyway at the end of the day mate if your happy and paid a fair price for it mate then who gives a monkeys. That's the thing with this forum there will always be disagreements and arguments and views about this kind of thing. If you have spoke to GM that's good enough for me. Hopefully meet you at one onthe forum nets at some point in time and would love a go with it just because its different and I've fallen a bit in love with GM's of late.
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I find your comments astonishing IQ.
'Lower Grade 4 Willow' and 'looks like a 404' - Really?!
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404? I have an Icon Original sitting beside me, UK made, that is almost half heartwood...
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Hello all,
Didn't mean to sound harsh on the bat. Have edited the original post to make the guess a bit wider. Apologies for any offence caused. :)
I sold a few 303s ( natural with fibre tape at front) and 404s that looked like that.
Also in addition to that the missing stickers on the front (the model name) most certainly means the seller thought they looked better than the grade. The GM India are really strict and would never do a "custom" GM or anything like. Offered them equal or more money(as branded GMs) to make unbranded plain bats for me - they wouldn't even consider it. lol. Very nice & loyal GM enthusiasts. Very process oriented- not like usual Indian companies where everything is happening all over the place! :)
As an example couple of 404s
(http://i.imgur.com/jEZyQZM.jpg)
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Not sure if it easy to make out but the stickers are embossed too.
this is only one picture. can do heaps more examples if mods permit? Mostly old bat pictures and all already sold - so not trying to sell/promote these or anything.
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Not sure if it easy to make out but the stickers are embossed too.
The Octane's stickers do not look embossed, didn't Simonmay5 say also that they weren't 3D, presume that means the same thing.
If Indian made GM 404 bats are sold with embossed stickers and a grade sticker on them(ie 404) as per IQ's photo. I would be suspicious of any Indian GM bat without those features. Frankly the eBay listing posted I wouldn't touch with a barge pole.
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Where's Ed when you need him.
I'm here!
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The clue is in the labelling - "Made in India under license" means that the bat is er, made in India under license!
Bats made by our licensee in India are for the Indian market only.
Bats made in Nottingham using our DXM processes, which are unique to GM and lead the industry, are marked DXM. Only bats made in Nottingham are marked DXM.
GM DXM bats made in Nottingham are shipped around the World, including Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. These bats may or may not be equipped with GM Now and / or Toe Tek finishes. These are specified by our local distributor in each market.
The bat as shown has had its grade label removed. This would not be as it left the factory of the GM licensee in India. I have no doubt that it will perform ok, it carries our brand name. Different people will have their own views on the merits of the closeness of the grain and the amount of redwood. It would not, in my view, be classified as a very high grade as the grain is not as straight as I would like, however cosmetic appeal is not necessarily a guarantee of performance.
Kind regards
Edward
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They are not bad but not as good as the uk finishing and it has got a dent in the spine dam postman >:(
The dents on the back are on the photo on the seller's eBay listing, so the postman shouldn't be getting the blame!
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Cheers for the reply ed. Clears that up, an Indian made bat, for the Indian market with its grading label removed. Straight from the head of gms mouth.
This steve seems to have told a few porkies, for the Southern Hemisphere it is not!
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The clue is in the labelling - "Made in India under license" means that the bat is er, made in India under license!
Bats made by our licensee in India are for the Indian market only.
Bats made in Nottingham using our DXM processes, which are unique to GM and lead the industry, are marked DXM. Only bats made in Nottingham are marked DXM.
GM DXM bats made in Nottingham are shipped around the World, including Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. These bats may or may not be equipped with GM Now and / or Toe Tek finishes. These are specified by our local distributor in each market.
The bat as shown has had its grade label removed. This would not be as it left the factory of the GM licensee in India. I have no doubt that it will perform ok, it carries our brand name. Different people will have their own views on the merits of the closeness of the grain and the amount of redwood. It would not, in my view, be classified as a very high grade as the grain is not as straight as I would like, however cosmetic appeal is not necessarily a guarantee of performance.
Kind regards
Edward
Hi Ed why did Steve say that the bats made in India are for the Indian and aus and sa market I still have the message on my phone just seems a bit funny for him to say that and do all Indian gm bats come out in a nice gm padded bat case the bat itself preforms pretty well :)
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I would love to know why Steve from gm said that then seems someone trying to hide something to me
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Hi Ed why did Steve say that the bats made in India are for the Indian and aus and sa market I still have the message on my phone just seems a bit funny for him to say that and do all Indian gm bats come out in a nice gm padded bat case the bat itself preforms pretty well :)
I don't know, I will ask him.
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I don't know, I will ask him.
I could not believe what I heard as I listened to the message on my phone about the Indian made gm bats I still have the message if you wanted to hear it
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You have mentioned this message so many times.
Time to get it uploaded to somewhere so we can all hear it.
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do all Indian gm bats come out in a gm padded bat case
Yes, they do
the bat itself preforms pretty well :)
Good for you mate.
Just to be clear I did not mean that bat is not a good one. Was just guessing that the seller removed the grade labels to upsell it. Cannot see any other reason. Just the grade of willow- thats it. In fact some of the 505s and 606s I have seen perform better than any of the top end bats I have seen.
As I said earlier GM India make awesome bats! So no surprises there (at least for me!). GM UK are well known to everyone here so all good there anyways.
Good Luck With it, hope you makes heaps of runs with it! :)
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Yes, they do
Good for you mate.
Just to be clear I did not mean that bat is not a good one. Was just guessing that the seller removed the grade labels to upsell it. Cannot see any other reason. Just the grade of willow- thats it. In fact some of the 505s and 606s I have seen perform better than any of the top end bats I have seen.
As I said earlier GM India make awesome bats! So no surprises there (at least for me!). GM UK are well known to everyone here so all good there anyways.
Good Luck With it, hope you makes heaps of runs with it! :)
To be honest I am pleased with it and I seen a lot off good quality bats if this bat was uk made it would off been up for sale at 250 pounds just can't get my head round why the gm guy would say that the factory in India made bats for aus San so on seems very strange
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You have mentioned this message so many times.
Time to get it uploaded to somewhere so we can all hear it.
. Pm your number and you can hear it for your self mate
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Come on guys lets leave this poor guy Steve alone. He made a mistake- might be confused :-[ , no biggie. Sort of feel sorry for him
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To be honest I am pleased with it and I seen a lot off good quality bats if this bat was uk made it would off been up for sale at 250 pounds just can't get my head round why the gm guy would say that the factory in India made bats for aus San so on seems very strange
It could have been a misunderstanding or a little confusion?
Or just a simple lack of attention to what details he was giving?
He was obviously talking to your answer machine, and I know I switch off when I'm talking to one!!
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The important thing is that it performs and is value for money :D
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So the ones on eBay definitely aren't DXM originals as stated?
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So the ones on eBay definitely aren't DXM originals as stated?
No they aren't, what is false advertising by the way?? ;)
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I tend to agree with buzz. The stickers aren't quite right. Look at the chevron in the close up of the top and compare it to a uk bat. I may be barking up the wrong tree, and I know it's been confirmed by someone at GM.
The second thing is the shape. A question for Ed. Surely a bat made under license in India with a gm name to it would have a similar shape to the UK made bat?
The other question I have for ed is are the Indian GM stickers 3D like the rest of the world and wouldn't they have an identical color scheme? Obviously I don't have vast experience in global branding, so you may do something different in India than the rest of the world.
This is a dxm octane:
(http://gear.alloutcricket.com/wp-content/uploads/images/bats/355_gm_octane_f2_dxm_original.jpg)
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This was locked whilst we confirm with GM whether or not it is a genuine GM, be it made in India under licence?
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Right - it appears that after further digging - the bat is genuine.
sorry for the false accusations