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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: smilley792 on February 19, 2014, 07:18:32 AM
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There seems to be so many on the market.
Black cat joker-joker extreme
Affinity toro
Mongoose mmi3-core
Lekka Rdx
Newbery uzi
Laver and wood t20
Etc etc etc
But do pros use them or are they just a gimmick for us? Like a placebo effect?
I know Hayden used the mmi3 once in an ipl game, plus the Sri Lankans used the core model in the t20 World Cup and a few one days.
But they were a few years ago? Any current pro use one now? Anyone noticed a pro in the bigbash or other t20 comps with a bat that looks a shorter blade but stickered up as owt else
Personally I like them, I like heavy bats with a bottom heavy feel, so to me these bats feel good. But as there all advertised with spiel like "clear long on and off with ease" " t20 is all about hitting boundaries, and this bat does it easily" etc.
Surely if that be true, atleast a small percentage of pros would be using them?
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No idea if any of the pros actually use them except for Gareth Andrew and a few others who use the Mongoose.
I use a similar bat similar to the BC Joker that suits me down to the ground and use it in all formats. I have a harrow sized blade(width and height) with a longer handle so that it's the length of a SH bat and a flat face - I'm not too fussed about edge size or anything like that as long as the sweetspot isn't too low.
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Andre Russell used a shorter blade stickered up, but you're right - not many pros do. And not many pros want to.
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Just andrew from worcs. Couldnt imagaine kallis, amla etc using one.
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Watling uses a shorter blade for all formats, and apparently Jimmy Neesham was using one of his short blades when he scored his ton yesterday!
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Interesting I know I few do.
I wouldn't ever consider talking one into a test against Johnson/steyn personally,
But a tired Indian attack? I suppose if he was counter attacking then yes why not. Neesham is a tall man though.
As for watling? Is it because he's not that tall and prefers a more academy size time bat? Or does he really just prefer the feel of a short blade?
Right off to be sad and study pictures.
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Andre Russell used a shorter blade stickered up, but you're right - not many pros do. And not many pros want to.
I've not been on the forum long enough to know if it was mentioned previously? But what do you do? You always seem to talk like you work with the pros. Or are a pro cricketer yourself?( as opposed to others that try,but come off as talking bs)
Inside knowldge is always a good thing,
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No idea if any of the pros actually use them except for Gareth Andrew and a few others who use the Mongoose.
I use a similar bat similar to the BC Joker that suits me down to the ground and use it in all formats. I have a harrow sized blade(width and height) with a longer handle so that it's the length of a SH bat and a flat face - I'm not too fussed about edge size or anything like that as long as the sweetspot isn't too low.
Out of interest, How tall are you Matt?
I'm 6'2 and have a BC Joker Extreme on the way and I'm a little worried now.
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Im just under 6ft tall and used a BC Joker Extreme for a full season, scored loads of runs with it. They go like trains. Edit - need to learn how to read. Not sure how you will go with it. I tend to choke my bats and did the same with the Joker, didnt find it too short holding it this way.
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I've not been on the forum long enough to know if it was mentioned previously? But what do you do? You always seem to talk like you work with the pros. Or are a pro cricketer yourself?( as opposed to others that try,but come off as talking bs)
Inside knowldge is always a good thing,
I'm an awful cricketer, but I used to run Production at Mongoose. From launch through to 2011.
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I'm 6.1. I used a mongoose core in all formats for a full season. No issue, and regularly use a mmi3 in t20s, again no issue. I switched bAck to regular blade bats as opened for last two years. But thankfully we have a second opener back in our side so will be batting back at 4 and 5. And I'll probably switch back
The core just isn't a big enough bat for me, compared to today's bats So I have a few short blades on the way to try out. A joker rep by rk. And some second hand takes on them.
I find the issue most at my club have when they try to use them is where they place the re hands. Even though on a regular sh they grip at the top. Give them a mmi3/joker they suddenly grip down the handle near to the shoulders.
And then complain it doesn't feel right?? I've tried explaining but it goes on deaf ears.
How was the customer service at black cat? I struggled for replies to emails, and the ones that wee replied to not helpful, and if I organised to phone, they never answered. So I went elsewhere.
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I'm an awful cricketer, but I used to run Production at Mongoose. From launch through to 2011.
Good to know? Did you enjoy it? Will tank you wo for my mmi3, it is one of the orginals(bought a few weeks after launch) cost me 292 quid. But is a gunn bat. And unfortunately very used. But the mmi3 I've used since(all pre 2011) are not the quality or same feel as the original I bought. I do wonder if the changed pre suction methods, or handle design, or quality off wood after.
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a lad that plays for northhants regularily brought a MMi3 out at the end of the innings last year in the T20.
Wakely? cant remember his first name though
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Good to know? Did you enjoy it? Will tank you wo for my mmi3, it is one of the orginals(bought a few weeks after launch) cost me 292 quid. But is a gunn bat. And unfortunately very used. But the mmi3 I've used since(all pre 2011) are not the quality or same feel as the original I bought. I do wonder if the changed pre suction methods, or handle design, or quality off wood after.
Probably because at the start of production all Mongoose bats where made by Hunts County, then now they've changed to a different supplier. Also Peter Trego used the nemesis a few times last season
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Good to know? Did you enjoy it? Will tank you wo for my mmi3, it is one of the orginals(bought a few weeks after launch) cost me 292 quid. But is a gunn bat. And unfortunately very used. But the mmi3 I've used since(all pre 2011) are not the quality or same feel as the original I bought. I do wonder if the changed pre suction methods, or handle design, or quality off wood after.
Launch models and into early 2010 (pre-IPL) were exclusively Hunts. Even the Kashmir bats were shaped there. After that they were pretty much all made by SS or by another English batmaker.
Quality of wood shouldn't have changed, but methods of manufacture, handle design and the pressing will have differed.
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Main reason if I were a pro I wouldn't be using a proper shorter bat like the mmi is the speed at which the ball is being bowled at. Would you fancy facing 80+ mph with half a bat?
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I can remember Dominic Cork on commentary (when someone, can't remember who) came out with a Mongoose) that Newbery asked him to use the TT. He declined saying something along the lines of "why give yourself less chance, it's harder to hit the ball if you've got less bat."
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Main reason if I were a pro I wouldn't be using a proper shorter bat like the mmi is the speed at which the ball is being bowled at. Would you fancy facing 80+ mph with half a bat?
I was more referring to the slightly shorter versions than extreme ones, but Hayden wielded it well here
http://youtu.be/VHNmLwe3d8g (http://youtu.be/VHNmLwe3d8g)
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I saw in the recent NZ test that Jimmy Neesham was using a 5cm shorter blade, well thats what the commentators were saying. And he's a big guy 6"4.
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The less extreme ones are more common, it's not as noticeable. We had a number of county players using off the shelf CoR3's. But the extreme ones are a much harder sell. There were big bonuses for using an MMi
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The less extreme ones are more common, it's not as noticeable. We had a number of county players using off the shelf CoR3's. But the extreme ones are a much harder sell. There were big bonuses for using an MMi
Such as?
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Out of interest, How tall are you Matt?
I'm 6'2 and have a BC Joker Extreme on the way and I'm a little worried now.
I'm 6ft - my bat in theory is still a SH length in total - just the actual blade of the bat is a harrow size which only takes a very small amount out of the width which I can then have in the middle of the blade to make it a more powerful bat as most of my power comes from my swing speed this also helps in having a thinner bat - its just what I prefer and it's tried and tested for me.
For those interested, this is a comparison between a standard SH bat and my match bat. The Standard(White stickered) is a GM Icon+ 2'12 or 2'13, can't remember the weight but it's extremely light for a GM+ bat, compared to my custom made Vantage bat which has a harrow sized blade - this weighs somewhere between 2'9 and 2'10. The bats are exactly the same length in terms of from the toe to the top of the handle which is a standard SH size.
(http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/matthewwatkins7/null_zpsb53ffaae.jpg)
(http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/matthewwatkins7/null_zps76530f00.jpg)
(http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/matthewwatkins7/null_zps85d46aab.jpg)
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Such as?
I would presume money? Lol
So tom, the sir lankas that had corr, they were actually corrs and not re stickered specials?
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Hawk are bringing out a new bat this season that is a slightly shorter blade but standard short handle. Tried one at their showroom and it felt great, with chuncky profile but still fairly light pick up. I have a willostix stick that's a harrow but weighs 2.10 with 36mm edges. I don't notice any difference at all to a full length blade and several mates have used it and don't know its actually a harrow. Usually use 2.7ish in full size so I've found you can get a bit more meat in the shorter blade, so a bit more power where it matters.
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I would presume money? Lol
So tom, the sir lankas that had corr, they were actually corrs and not re stickered specials?
Genuine CoR3's made by SS. But a special order, rather than a stock bat.
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Genuine CoR3's made by SS. But a special order, rather than a stock bat.
What was the difference then?
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Made to their spec, in a slightly different shape from the lightest willow (but not necessarily highest grade) available. Same handle and that though.
They were like this:
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i29/02thoeva/SNV80069.jpg)
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i29/02thoeva/SNV80070.jpg)
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Interesting, I still expected it to be a bit bigger.
That was the problem with the cor to me, it seemed small, and didn't have the wow power. Like the joker gives off.
Anyway back to the pro cor, any laying about anywhere? I still want one! Lol.
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Too many people on here obsess about size of bats, but you're right in saying it didn't have the 'Wow' feel to it. The handle was stiffer and didn't give off anywhere near the feel of a standard bat, one of the reasons it's been moved out into a half splice.
I have a CoR3 stickered pro bat from one of the pros, but it's on my wall along with some prototypes.
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Too many people on here obsess about size of bats, but you're right in saying it didn't have the 'Wow' feel to it. The handle was stiffer and didn't give off anywhere near the feel of a standard bat, one of the reasons it's been moved out into a half splice.
I have a CoR3 stickered pro bat from one of the pros, but it's on my wall along with some prototypes.
Edge size spine size is all a placebo effect. But an effect that will sell bats.
The mmi3 had the wow factor. Hence purchasing one instantly. And I loved it for Wednesday night stuff. And bought a cor thinking it would have the same effect in my Saturday cricket.
It did not, never got on with it, don't think it helped they sent me the wrong weight, but i was young nieve and for some reason didn't think I could send it back, so just played with it.
If you ever wanna sell. Pm me.
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Interesting, I still expected it to be a bit bigger.
That was the problem with the cor to me, it seemed small, and didn't have the wow power. Like the joker gives off.
Anyway back to the pro cor, any laying about anywhere? I still want one! Lol.
The funny thing is, I picked up a "Marcus Trescothick reject" COR3 a couple of years back which was well knocked in. Whether its provenance was real I'll never know, but it certainly felt good to use and I really liked it. Used it for a number of nets before going back to my long blades.
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what happened to said bat timothy! i need......
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I'm an awful cricketer, but I used to run Production at Mongoose. From launch through to 2011.
And is an encyclopaedia on most things cricket.