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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: FattusCattus on March 02, 2014, 09:29:40 AM
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Is this a real crunch match today?
Cricinfo and Giles would have usbelieve all sorts of reasons for continued failure - much weakened side in Australia and basically an inexperienced T20 squad in WI etc.
However, this is still England and still a professional outfit. We seem to have lost a lot of ODIs on the spin, and it's all happening on Giles watch. To me we seem to be going backwards, and what sort of pedigree does Broad have to be leading his country?
I think we really need to win this today to stem the tide and for,a little bit of national pride.
Does anyone know what his win rate is from the games he's been in charge?
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No idea on the stats but agree a victory is very important here. I know internationals are a different level but i'm getting really bored of all these excuses. These cricketers have played the game modes before (50 and 20 over cricket) so they aren't strangers in how to play the game. Granted they will come up against better players but surely sticking to the basics of bowling in the right areas and watching the ball and hitting it into gaps can still apply?
I'm not a Broad fan so don't want him as captain of any format. I sincerely hope the ECB move away from Giles aswell.
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I think both the ecb and GILES have lost the plot. And this probably means GILES has got the job.
He said on beeps call up "he's a top bloke" not really a reason for a call up, but it seems to be why the ecb has backed cook. Prior said similar too.
So to play for England you need no talent, skill or anything cricket related. Just be a good guy.
GILES also said after losing the first game "this tour is not a trial for the full England job, the results have no bearing on that decision"
So has he already got it? Or been told it doesn't matter if we fail? We can still blame kp.
As for broad, he has firmly blamed the bowling department for the first loss. He said they was poor and not good enough. hmm your our number one bowler, and captain. Yet you only bowled 6 overs? How can you blame anyone else?
I was hoping that hales would be in today, preferably for wright. But with bells call up, I'd presume it's more than a strain.
Just hope dernbach doesn't play!
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ECB won't change so long as Giles Clarke is still in charge.
All about money for Clarke, signing up with the BCCI and increasing ticket prices every year.
Don't forget that Ashley Giles is the cheaper option as coach.
Giles was fast tracked as a selector and now coach. It's the "good bloke" selection process. Old boy's club at the ECB
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Giles has not really got a leg to stand on with this - I mean, its not like he has a massive number of players missing - Anderson rarely if ever plays ODIs so its just Cook and Bell plus the very junior Ballance. So they really ought to be performing...
...the probelm is, the squad we currently have is not quite there and requires a clear sense of direction and the right attitude to putting together the future direction of ENglish cricket. Does anyone really think that Piles is the man to do that? He has been a loyal servant to England and seems like a decent enough chap, but as a top international coach? I just don't see it - if there is not an international alternative (and Otis Gibson looks a good one, even if Gary Kirsten is disinterested) then tere needs to be some sensible analysis of the other options around.
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If giles gets the job it will just confirm what many think...england has become a closed shop and thats the one thing we dont want more than anything.
There's no a great deal of choice for the job-kirsten wont do it because of the travelling.
I'd rather see a county coach get it rather than giles,someone like newall of notts
As a complete radical option,just employ batting,bowling and fielding coaches and everyone reports to paul downton?
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Has anything been said as to whether Morgan or Hales are fit? You'd assume not if they've gone to the hassle of getting Bell?
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All that has been said is the both have niggles, and although bell wasn't in the 30 man squad, he is able to cover either if one breaks down.
Something no batsmen was capable of.
Well except kp, he could open, and or be a middle order finisher........
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Could probably just about force Root into that short list ;).
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Really don't like saying it but I hope eng are beaten. Giles, Clarke and Cook need getting rid of. Oh and broad as capt too (Cook getting rid as capt I mean).
Eng are just in it for the cash (ECB I mean)
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According to Twitter it's Jordan out parry in.
Good or bad change?
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Won toss and bowl again,
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According to Twitter it's Jordan out parry in.
Good or bad change?
At least it's not Dernbach!
I wonder which spinner from the last game will miss out today?
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At least it's not Dernbach!
I wonder which spinner from the last game will miss out today?
Tredwell plays as a spinner so not him,butid say root and ali will still bowl there fair share.
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Anyone else find it wierd how Parry got in the squad over Briggs? He wasn't really given any decent opportunities did quite well in county cricket this year and then got dropped ???.
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Anyone else find it wierd how Parry got in the squad over Briggs? He wasn't really given any decent opportunities did quite well in county cricket this year and then got dropped ???.
Is he a 'good bloke'?
Maybe he doesn't have 'team ethic,?
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Is he a 'good bloke'?
Maybe he doesn't have 'team ethic,?
Or maybe he's just not a 'World-class player' ;).
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Or maybe he's just not a 'World-class player' ;).
:)
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Tredwell plays as a spinner so not him,butid say root and ali will still bowl there fair share.
Playing 4 spinners (2 part time) against this Windies side, brave (or stupid...)
Anyone else find it wierd how Parry got in the squad over Briggs? He wasn't really given any decent opportunities did quite well in county cricket this year and then got dropped ???.
Briggs had one bad game against Australia and seems to have been disposed of, consistently inconsistent selection by England as ever!
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Spin did well in first game, it was the later overs where we failed. Even the windies have swapped a pace an from. Spinner.
This is on the same pitch as previous game too.
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Is Joe 'the Internatonal opening bowler' Root now classed as an all rounder??
Spin did well in first game, it was the later overs where we failed. Even the windies have swapped a pace an from. Spinner.
This is on the same pitch as previous game too.
As it was death bowling England struggled with they'd have been Bette dropping Bresnan wouldn't they??
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Is Joe 'the Internatonal opening bowler' Root now classed as an all rounder??
As it was death bowling England struggled with they'd have been Bette dropping Bresnan wouldn't they??
Hopefully they practiced death bowling!
With broad and Bessie being the only pace left who bowled last game it's got to be theme for last 6 overs atleast.
Unless stokes who is expensive and got ailed by Faulkner is gonn have a go?
Or wright?
Or bopara?
Anyway root "international bowler extraordinaire" joe, has a wicket. Maybe they are blooding him to be the next swann.......
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As well as bowling and batting, you can now add fielding to the list of things Bresnan is poo at! #BlameKP
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Is Joe 'the Internatonal opening bowler' Root now classed as an all rounder??
As it was death bowling England struggled with they'd have been Bette dropping Bresnan wouldn't they??
He will be classed as a bowler if he doesn't turn up with the bat sometime soon
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Are they just showing a repeat of the first odi?
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Are they just showing a repeat of the first odi?
I hope not!
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When did root become a bowler though? I've played against him a few times, and he didn't bowl. And just checked his stats.
He only bowled once the last time he played in the same midweek league as me and these are his figures. It was 2011.
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That was two seasons ago.
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Bit like Parry mate I thought he was a batsman and decent fielder
He used to play at Bottle with Greame Lloyld he bowled some right filth left arm I remember hitting him for a couple of sixes. I would have never of guessed he would play as many Odi as Glen Chapple.
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Observations:
Parry fellow looks tidy, but doesn't turn it at all - that could be fun at the death!
Bresnan still looks below international class
broad must bowl more (as I type he picks up a wicket :)
Why, with 40 overs of spin available to us +Ravi, Would we have 2 x steamers bowling at the same time. Surely spin /seam all the time is the way to go?
Are we brave enough to have spin at the death?
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Another shrey victim........
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Another shrey victim........
An Ayrtek would have covered that bit ;)
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If it's not out that's poor from Jos Butter, I mean Butler!
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And as I post that it's given. :-[
Controversial decision??
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On one angle it looks that the ball has hot the stump on it's way past,
Other angles the opposite. I wouldn't have complained had that been given not out,
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On one angle it looks that the ball has hot the stump on it's way past,
Other angles the opposite. I wouldn't have complained had that been given not out,
It looked not out to me because he spilled the ball and took the stumps with his glove from one angle, and the others were all guesswork.
The amount of time it took to get the decision made me think it had to be not out.
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That was a shocking decision. Erasmus is a horrible umpire in general.
That decision has probably gifted England the game
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On our form, we need the gift.
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Nikita Miller's bat sounds good ;)
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On our form, we need the gift.
Narine still might run through England, even with a total around 200 ;). He was unlucky to not pick up more wickets in the first game.
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That decision has probably gifted England the game
Have you seen England recently?
They'll find a way to lose any match from a winning position!
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My Dad has walked in, seen the score at 155-9 and said "England should be able to f**k it up from here"
Good to know everyone's as optimistic as me about this game... :-[
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Nikita Miller's bat sounds good ;)
Shame it's blank.
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Narine still might run through England, even with a total around 200 ;). He was unlucky to not pick up more wickets in the first game.
Hence why we need the gift.
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Hence why we need the gift.
Gift for Giles too ;). Helps his job interview :D
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Anyone else find it wierd how Parry got in the squad over Briggs? He wasn't really given any decent opportunities did quite well in county cricket this year and then got dropped ???.
You must be a Hampshire fan. Briggs doesn't understand the meaning of the word "turn", can't get it off the straight! Proved against Aus that he doesn't really have enough to succeed at international level. 7 T20s, 5 wickets at 39.8, economy of 11.05. Probably not cutting the mustard...
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You must be a Hampshire fan. Briggs doesn't understand the meaning of the word "turn", can't get it off the straight! Proved against Aus that he doesn't really have enough to succeed at international level. 7 T20s, 5 wickets at 39.8, economy of 11.05. Probably not cutting the mustard...
I am a Hampshire fan but that's not the reason I'm asking really :D. If it's because he doesn't turn it then how has Parry got in ahead of him ???. 7 T20's across about 5 or 6 series is hardly a fair judgement in my opinion, especially when they even decide to pick him for the least spinning tracks but hey, we get him for the whole season so why am I complaining :D.
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I'm sure if England do win the ECB and coaches will say how it's a new era and how it's improving etc.. Zzzzzz
Rubbish, this wi side has gifted eng the game
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England have never been a world class one-day side, so I don't understand all the complaining.
We have never had the talent, the consistency, the batting, the bowling, the fielding, the captaining, the tactics, the strategy, the knowledge or the know-how to be world class, so we should not expect Giles' team to be any different.
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England have never been a world class one-day side, so I don't understand all the complaining.
We have never had the talent, the consistency, the batting, the bowling, the fielding, the captaining, the tactics, the strategy, the knowledge or the know-how to be world class, so we should not expect Giles' team to be any different.
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Good shout mate lets just be happy we look like we could win no revaluation no nothing let just bloody win.
I do not care how bad the oppo is a win is a win lets WIN >:(
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Does Luke Wright lose all cricketing ability when there's 3 lions on his shirt??
Didn't have a scooby against Narine there.
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That's about the norm now for Luke Wright
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Luke wright fails AGAIN. Could have been out any of those 5 deliveries he faced.
Continues to be selected but not good enough
Narine to knock a few more ;)
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When Luke Wright was hit was that a bit of grille came off his lid?? ???
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I dont understand how luke wright gets a game
We might as well havea specialist batsman in
I just dont get it
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I dont understand how luke wright gets a game
We might as well havea specialist batsman in
I just dont get it
Once Bell joins the squad he won't hopefully!
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Is it just me, or do all the batsmen look like they should be on the village green rather than the international stage as soon as a half decent spinner comes on??
None of them have got a clue what to do when Narine is bowling...
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I dont understand how luke wright gets a game
We might as well havea specialist batsman in
I just dont get it
Selected on BBL slogging. Shuts his eyes and slogs.
Never had the bottle for the international game.
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Seeing as how this is a t20 squad it seems pretty logical to pick him based on 'slogging' in the bbl rather than first class form
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I dont understand how luke wright gets a game
We might as well havea specialist batsman in
I just dont get it
We had a couple of specialist batsmen in when we had the likes of Cook, Trott, KP and Bell at the top of the order and everyone complained that we didn't have enough "hitters".
Now we have some hitters and people want "specialist batsmen".
Narine is easy to face. Get to pitch and put him in to car park, the one near cow corner. Boom. Sorted. ;o)
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Seeing as how this is a t20 squad it seems pretty logical to pick him based on 'slogging' in the bbl rather than first class form
Looked out of his depth in the Aussie t20's too. So not like he did well there to warrent continued selection
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Looked out of his depth in the Aussie t20's too. So not like he did well there to warrent continued selection
Picking one player out is hard currently for warranted selection
Lumb not many more batting in any format currently
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Looked out of his depth in the Aussie t20's too. So not like he did well there to warrent continued selection
Third highest run scorer at a sr of 144?
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I would suggest you didnt watch the bbl.
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This is becoming shocking........ Again
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Third highest run scorer at a sr of 144?
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I would suggest you didnt watch the bbl.
I meant the international games where he failed 3 times. Hence I keep saying not a international player.
Looks like England don't like gifts from the umpires
They really want to mess this one up
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The collapse is on. I think we need more west indian gifts.
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I meant the international games where he failed 3 times. Hence I keep saying not a international player.
Looks like England don't like gifts from the umpires
They really want to mess this one up
I dont think they wanted to judge or omit anyone on that t20 series performances. As the t20 specialist walked into a bad situation.
It may also not help that he opens at all thee events yet is 3 for england.
but your right currently an international cricketer he is not
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Its painful to watch
Time ravi bops turned up and nows his chance
Bizzare batting the other day couldnt work out why we didnt try to hit boundaries
As for narine,skillful bowler
And no we havnt got a clue how to play him
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come on the WINDIES
A big clean sweep, a poor performance in the 2020 and we can start to see the end of the good bloke yes men regime!
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come on the WINDIES
A big clean sweep, a poor performance in the 2020 and we can start to see the end of the good bloke yes men regime!
Amen to that
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As much as i want kp back, giles out and a better management leading to a better team.
IT is very hard to watch us be so bad. So bad. So so bad.b
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Start the car! Oh....we got no wheels...
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come on the WINDIES
A big clean sweep, a poor performance in the 2020 and we can start to see the end of the good bloke yes men regime!
100% this. But have they got the balls for a clean sweep.... I don't think so
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This is getting beyond embarrassing now, what was that?!?!
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Thats not out lol. But who knows with this umpiring.
Broad still looks to have the fear of johnson in him
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Broad is so worried by the short ball it's unreal
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Is Broad using a PremTek lid??
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So many gifts by the windies. Are they trying to let us win?? Yet we still struggle.
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So many gifts by the windies. Are they trying to let us win?? Yet we still struggle.
Maybe they are taking the mick out of us.. Not playing their best players.. Beating us.. And now can make loads of errors in batting and fielding and still look like winning!!
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I think over the last year Bopara has proved himself as a solid ODI and T20 player.
Its situations like this where he has done the job that show he is the man for that 6 or 7 position in the line up.
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A win is a win I suppose.but it was awful viewing :-[
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Doesn't feel like a win, or atleast a convincing one.
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If the West Indies had put a full strength side out it would be a very different story!
Even when England win a game it's not convincing...
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Yesssss a win
Two poor sides but you can only win what your playing against
Well done lads
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Yesssss a win
Two poor sides but you can only win what your playing against
Well done lads
That's the problem, England won't win against a strong side!
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Man of the match has to go to Erasmus. ;)
Bopara should be at 3, wasted batting at 7.
New coach, same inflexibility in the batting line up
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I've just watched the end of the match - Can somebody please enlighten me as to why broad was swinging at everything like a lumberjack? Why Luke Wright still isn't opening? And why poor Ravi Bopara is practically in the tail when he should be at 4? New England, same old choices.....
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I've just watched the end of the match - Can somebody please enlighten me as to why broad was swinging at everything like a lumberjack? Why Luke Wright still isn't opening? And why poor Ravi Bopara is practically in the tail when he should be at 4? New England, same old choices.....
God knows. Thinking back to when he got 150 odd at Lords against Pakistan, he actually looked like a batsman. Now he looks like a Sunday Friendly tailender who is absolutely petrified of the ball and is trying hard not to back away from everything. God knows whats happened to him.
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God knows. Thinking back to when he got 150 odd at Lords against Pakistan, he actually looked like a batsman. Now he looks like a Sunday Friendly tailender who is absolutely petrified of the ball and is trying hard not to back away from everything. God knows whats happened to him.
Mitchell Johnson happened. Did you see his foot? Lol
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No he looked scared of the ball before Johnson hit him.
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The over the top celebration at the end of the match smacked of an under confident team on the brink of years in the doldrums....the fragility is obvious - all the test playing nations must smell blood and will surely be queuing up at the door for a crack at them. The only light relief will be when pietersen's gagging clause in his severance contract expires and he gives it both barrels in the media!
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I am glad we won :D
Seems very negative on here though!
Windies played badly - Well England can only beat the team infront of them. Yes England didn't play well either but winning ugly is better than losing.
Broad, when the target was in sight he did want to swing at everything, I thought the short balls he didn't swing at he did well to get out the way. The decision to give him out (a shocker) was one hell of a delivery on that pitch!
I'm a fan of Broads captaincy, not afraid to try something see if it works unlike Cook who doesn't deviate from the book.
This win will give the team confidence and help get them back on the road to better performances.
Wednesday should be a cracking game!
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Windies win toss and bowl!
England changed wright out for Morgan. Be interesting to see the batting line up.
Also can our spin do the job in a chase?
Also broad needs to wash his hat, it looks minging.
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Stokes at 3 and Morgan at 5 I guess.
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About time wright is dropped.
Samules and Morgan should add class to both teams.
200 looks to be a good score on this pitch now
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Brilliant from narine to pick Morgan up. You would have thought all that time Morgan spent away at the ipl he would have learnt how to pick his team mate ;).
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Well batted joe, another 50 runs please.
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About time wright is dropped.
Samules and Morgan should add class to both teams.
200 looks to be a good score on this pitch now
Surely you mean Samuels should add some throwing ;)
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England in non losing wicket in power play shocker.
Also well batted jos. Thankfully the pics were clear on his caught behind, as Erasmus seemed too forget how to umpire!!
What was he doing?
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It's a good knock from Buttler so hopefully he might be starting to lose the twenty20 specialist label!
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Well batted joe root. Well batted. Ton up. Nice decent knock, in a great partnership to bring us back in the game,
Hopefully 300 here.
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Class knocks from Root and Buttler.
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I only saw one ball of Root's innings, what a bell end!
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Oh no Jos! :(
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Nooooooooooooo
Gutted for buttler. 99 and leading edge straight up!
Him and root put a good score on for us though. 300plus for the windies to chase.
And they have an injured Samuels, and we have an injured root, he looked in pain with his thumb, will he be able to bowl?
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What a sickner for buttler
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I only saw one ball of Root's innings, what a bell end!
107 and no praise? It's like Gerry and mcullum allover again.
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107 and no praise? It's like Gerry and mcullum allover again.
My comment was tongue in cheek mate.
I only saw one ball and he ramped it straight to the fielder, well batted Joe... ;)
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My comment was tongue in cheek mate.
I only saw one ball and he ramped it straight to the fielder, well batted Joe... ;)
Sarcasm. Doesn't always work on the internet! Doh. Lol
Whys he always bat well after physio? 10mins they took with his thumb today, and he gets a ton, 5mins repairing his face after the aus bouncer and he gets 90*.
If injury is needed for him to bat well, he wants to dilscoop into his face every match! Lol
So we gonna win?
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Well done Root, heartbreaking for Butler.
Anyone see Tres's bats at the rain interval? Took some pics off the telly and I'll post them later.
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Well done Root, heartbreaking for Butler.
Anyone see Tres's bats at the rain interval? Took some pics off the telly and I'll post them later.
The half redwood one he said he prefers?
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The half redwood one he said he prefers?
yes he prefers heartwood on his bats.
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Well done Root, heartbreaking for Butler.
Anyone see Tres's bats at the rain interval? Took some pics off the telly and I'll post them later.
I only saw the last few mins of that segment. Interesting what they all had to say about fussy batsmen and jumping up and down on the handle to get it more flex/whip
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Windies 2 down already. Have there openers done anything this series?
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What is the point of reviews without hotspot and snicko...for edges?
Like having DRS for LBW's with no ball trail...
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It seems that England's victory has imbued them with a renewed confidence and the team has a bit of morale....except poor Ravi who looked thoroughly depressed when sat on his chair waiting to bat....at the bottom end of the order - and who can really blame him!?
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What is the point of reviews without hotspot and snicko...for edges?
Like having DRS for LBW's with no ball trail...
I think its to stop the howlers. But they keep sending close things up there.
With buttlers there was proof it was not near the bat. But with samuelsm it passes so close you cant really over rule the umps.
Windies are dire at mo. The need gayle and roach back from injury and start picking shiv.
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I've mentioned before, I'm a big fan, but I'm not massively convinced by Stokes in the ODI side. I don't think he's a no3 and I don't think his bowling is meant to be tight.
I'd love to see him concentrate on being a test no6 and wicket-taking, partnership-breaking 5th bowler.
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Well batted ramdin but.......
Where was your note for viv???
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Is the yorker still frowned upon in England's bowling at the death?
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Is the yorker still frowned upon in England's bowling at the death?
Apparently not England win!
Tbh I was just gonna post saying bresnan is brainless, and he finally pitches it up. Lol.
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Oh look - a full straight one did the trick!
Well done England, but some of that bowling at the end was clueless and not befitting international standard.
Excellent building blocks, but some better tactics and captaincy will be needed to really move us on.
Well batted Root and Joss.
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So after a length ball and two long hops Bresnan gets one close and takes a wicket. Amazing thought process
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Apparently not England win!
Tbh I was just gonna post saying bresnan is brainless, and he finally pitches it up. Lol.
Yeah amazing stuff......Who would have thought it! lol
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2 wins.. ECB will be thinking Eng are back now. Giles a shoe in for manager now :(