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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: WalkingWicket37 on August 16, 2014, 06:11:50 PM
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Hi all
One for the bowlers of the forum, what are your variations?
(would also be good to know if you bowl left or right arm and if you're a pace bowler, medium pacer or spinner?)
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Right arm off spin always round the wicket, with a faster arm ball bowled cross seam
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Right are medium pace, stock ball is seaming in (unless like today when I get hold of the ball and it's clogged up with mud!). Variation is the cutter other than that try and watch the batsmen and work them out as to what line and length to bowl or vary the pace - if I'm extra brave I try the one out the back of my hand but that's a rarity! Never bowl round the wicket either.
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Used to be right arm fast. But more medium at more.
swing it in. And have either an away swinger or slower ball for the change up.
For midweek t20 stuff I also have a super duper slower ball!!!
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I bowl right arm off spin (with a very unorthodox action!)
Got the off break, the off break that actually turns, a top spinner, the more flighted offie, the much quicker one, the doosra and the dernbach style back of the hand ball (comes out as a leggie).
Oh yeah, can also bowl each of these and grunt which really is a ploy to further confuse the batsman! ;)
Other additions I've forgotten in first run through, the one where my front foot lands on the popping crease instead of the batting crease, and the one I bowl off 2 steps (quick overs and try to catch batsman out).
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Right arm quick...
I have the off cutter, I run in and bowl of my usual run and then just release it as an offie...
Back of the hand slower ball a la Dernbach
And then there is the secret weapon, the ball where I run and and then in the delivery stride slow right down and bowl it at like 20mph it's easy to see but with so little pace it hard to do anything with...
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I don't have any variation unless you class right arm all over a variation?
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I don't have any variation unless you class right arm all over a variation?
Bertie Bassett Bowling??
Liquorice All Sorts??
:D
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Right arm off spin. Variation is the one that turns.
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ok, when I thought lets take some pics, I hoped it would come out better than this...
I (used to) bowl a brisk medium pace, or right arm filth.
when I had been bowling a load I had quite a few variations, given I don't bowl much now, I only use a few of these.
1. stock ball. attempted away swing/seam. shiny side on the right
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMDguanBn_zpsdb35381a.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMDguanBn_zpsdb35381a.jpg.html)
2. bigger away swing. not attempted much in a while...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMDkuanBn_zpsad6c2397.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMDkuanBn_zpsad6c2397.jpg.html)
3. in swing, usually drifts too far down the leg side!
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTAuanBn_zps8a48f01d.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTAuanBn_zps8a48f01d.jpg.html)
4. leg cutter, needs to be a good day for this too work!
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTEuanBn_zps79ff2990.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTEuanBn_zps79ff2990.jpg.html)
5 off cutter, again needs to be a seaming pitch. typically I don't have enough of a wrist flick to really get enough movement
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTIuanBn_zpsf05f9ec2.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTIuanBn_zpsf05f9ec2.jpg.html)
6. slower one (never works for me this, the change of pace isn't effective enough, my stock ball isn't fast enough!)
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTMuanBn_zps7a1d3956.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTMuanBn_zps7a1d3956.jpg.html)
7. other slower, it really floats out a treat, really confuses batsmen
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTQuanBn_zps661fab8c.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTQuanBn_zps661fab8c.jpg.html)
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Right arm fast stock ball out swinger, in swing, slower ball out the back of the hand and knuckle ball, Off cuter and leg cuter.
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two more
cross seamer
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTUuanBn_zps5c3cf94c.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTUuanBn_zps5c3cf94c.jpg.html)
off cutter
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTYuanBn_zps9f8a0873.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1BRzIxMTYuanBn_zps9f8a0873.jpg.html)
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When they all work :
1. Inswinger that continues in off pitch.
2. In swing that moves away off pitch
3 and 4 same movement off the pitch as above, but are straight in the air.
5. Cross seam random
6. Seam in line (extra bounce, occasionally moves one way or the other)
7. Slower ball, bowled by twisting the wrist as though bowling spin on release.
8. Almost never bowled "splay" slower ball that looks like it is aimed at the batsman's had then dips just before arrival to become a yorker. Fails 8 out of 10 times. Fun to bowl though.
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Seam up, with natural inswing. The stock delivery really depends on the day and the direction of the wind, but sometimes I'll bowl with the seam pointing at 1st slip, which just results in a straight ball, or if I hold the seam straight, it will be an inswinger. Whichever the stock delivery is, the variation will be the other. A slower delivery which ducks in is also a variation, the change of pace is normally noticeable as my arm speed decreases, but it's normally the swing that catches folk out.
Used to be able to swing the ball out or in at will, but seemed to have lost the ability to swing it out regularly. Also cannot bowl a cross seam delivery to save myself, it just feels so unnatural... :-[
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Prior to injuring my knee landing in my delivery stride which finish me as bowler I bowled uncomplicated right arm wicket to wicket with delivery stride close to the stumps seam upright keeping the shine on one side of the ball opening and closing fingers down the seam or angle the ball towards the slips reversing the shiny side letting the dodgy tracks i play on do the rest.
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Right Arm Off-Break
Four main deliveries - Standard Off-Break (Normal and Over-Spinner), Top Spinner, Arm Ball and Quicker Ball.
Two I have been working on this season for next season - Doosra and Knuckle Ball.
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Right arm fast (ish)
Stock ball away swing, on a seaming deck I'll usually just bowl seam up and try and nip it either way. Variations are:
Off cutter (losing this as I've bowled less the past few seasons)
Back of the hand slower - comes out much slower and cuts away
Knuckle ball slower
'Fist' slower (just whole hand grip round the ball) - shade slower and just looks different out of the hand.
Kind of carrom ball slower legcutter where I flick the third finger over the seam.
Keen to learn inswingers as I can't bowl them to save my life!
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I can bowl all except the leg cutter and your 6. Slower ball. Everytime I bowl a leg cutter it sprays down leg.
Back in the day, before the knees and athletic appearance went, the cross seamer with a off cut action was lethal and used to rear up and often nip back at the throat of the batsman.
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Right arm fast/medium:
Stock Ball
Faster delivery
Off cutter
Slower ball
Cross seam
Can also swing both ways with the new ball :)
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Stock ball is Steak and Kidney, with a rather dubious Chicken and Mushroom for the slower decks....
I generally bowl attempted outswingers well outside of off, I do have a decent slow yorker though, probably hit it about 50% of the time.... the other 50% it comes out as a full toss and heads to the boundary.....
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Right Arm Off spinner with a "classical" style action (i dont bend my elbow! ;))
Got the standard Offspiner,
Top spinner,
Carron ball
arm ball,
I do have a all i call the "flying saucer" which describes how the seam is as it goes down towards to batsmen. It floats down then really skids on.
i also have a bouncer (yes a bouncer off 5 steps) but havent bowled one in a few years in a game
And of course like any good offie i have the classical no spinner! natural variation is a beaut
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Right arm off spin/ slow-medium
Spin variations -
Off spinner that turns
Off spinner that bounces (Occasionally get turn and bounce!)
Undercutter/arm ball (just skids on straight)
top spinner
Carrom ball leggie - flicked out with 3rd finger
Moon ball
Seam up swinger aimed at the toes.
Slow-medium -
Inswinger (stock ball)
Outswinger
Seam up
Off-cutter
Dirtbag style back of the hand ball
And a drop the arm, Malinga style sling
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I normally have two, both usually end up being smashed for 4 or 6 :(
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Before my knee injuries I used to bowl seam up with natural away swing and occasionally I could get the ball to in swing. I also had an off cutter and a slower ball off cutter. My favourite one was that I could get the ball to keep low on demand by collapsing my left leg as I landed on delivery. That would result in the point of release being lower and therefore the bounce was much lower, not that it would start rolling or anything but certainly a good 5-6 inches lower which can be enough.
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Right Arm Off spinner with a "classical" style action (i dont bend my elbow! ;))
Got the standard Offspiner,
Top spinner,
Carron ball
arm ball,
I do have a all i call the "flying saucer" which describes how the seam is as it goes down towards to batsmen. It floats down then really skids on.
i also have a bouncer (yes a bouncer off 5 steps) but havent bowled one in a few years in a game
And of course like any good offie i have the classical no spinner! natural variation is a beaut
A carrom ball without a bend in the elbow is really hard to do. Especially getting the distance on it. Good work! :)
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Any chance of off-spinners in particular doing a video of their variations, feeling very orthadox with just my offie, and a seldom bowled topper and arm ball.
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A carrom ball without a bend in the elbow is really hard to do. Especially getting the distance on it. Good work! :)
Thanks mate,
It has taken me about 5 years to get it out the right way but it still isnt as accurate as it needs to be,
I can only land about 40% in the right spot with the majority being short
I dont bowl it very often but handy to have none the less,
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Don't mean to sound like an old grumpy fart, but who can actually use all these variations successfully? We all sound like Jade Dernbach on steroids!
This season has been by far my most successful season with the ball (opening bowner who swings the ball away) and that has been due to one thing, consistency. Instead of trying to do something different with everything (imagine Dernbach on a village green being smashed by 12 year olds and old men with one leg), I have worked on line and length, aiming to make the batsman work as hard as possible.
As a result, my run rate has been reduced significantly and I have been leading the attack. This season I have used my stock delivery, the out swinger, the yorker that I have excellent consistany with and the slower ball using 3 fingers.
Sometimes less is more. (Except bats, more is always better).
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There's a difference between aving them in the locker and using them.
When I bowl, my first over I try and bowl my stock offie and the only variation is the natural inconsistency in my bowling action, so it might be loopier, slower, faster or even undercut a little.
The variation i use by far the most is the seam up swinger, as I can fire that in at middle and leg, but it's easy to pick.
There was a point when all I would bowl was top spinners, and the offie would be the variation as I kept tinkering with my action, now I can't bowl the toppie, it tends to come out as a big spinning offie.
The "carrom ball" which is really a leggie flicked out of the front of the hand is also fairly easy to pick, but I tend to land 1 in 10 where I want, so it gets used only when confidence is up.
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Don't mean to sound like an old grumpy fart, but who can actually use all these variations successfully? We all sound like Jade Dernbach on steroids!
This season has been by far my most successful season with the ball (opening bowner who swings the ball away) and that has been due to one thing, consistency. Instead of trying to do something different with everything (imagine Dernbach on a village green being smashed by 12 year olds and old men with one leg), I have worked on line and length, aiming to make the batsman work as hard as possible.
As a result, my run rate has been reduced significantly and I have been leading the attack. This season I have used my stock delivery, the out swinger, the yorker that I have excellent consistany with and the slower ball using 3 fingers.
Sometimes less is more. (Except bats, more is always better).
Haha Dernbach would get smashed whatever level he played! ;)
As for if I actually can bowl all my variations - yes.
Do I bowl them all in every game - no.
I think in league cricket I've stuck to my offie (various angles on the crease and amount of flight have changed), my quicker ball and 1 doosra!
Sundays are when I practice the others until I'm confident they'll land in the right place on a Saturday.
It's also nice to say I can bowl 15 different balls, it makes my manhood feel bigger! :D
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I'd argue that everyone can bowl them all, but with varying degrees of success/accuracy. I'd wager that most bowl three or four of them in a long spell in a match.
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Right arm leg spin. Can bowl a viscous googly. Problem is my regular leg spin is absolute junk.
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Slow dribbly left arm inswing
Slow, flat cross seam that cuts away (slowly)
I'm going for the Chinaman next year!!
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Right arm medium. First season.
But all I have is yorker, and the wicket to wicket ball. My slower ball is quite deceiving but it's only used when I lose the rhythm in my run up.
I've tried the swinging the ball several times, just doesn't happen, the cutters are not that great either, sometimes I get seam movement.
I do have one delivery where I use my thumb to spin the ball, but that's usually used for the slower ball.