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General Cricket => World Cricket => India => Topic started by: Blank Bats on December 30, 2014, 09:55:43 AM
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Arguably one of the best of the modern era captain has called it a day on his test career.
what are your thoughts.
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Excellent ODI/T20 captain, found wanting in the Test arena with his generally negative style of captaincy.
He goes as India's most successful Test captain, but IMO Ganguly was lightyears better.
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Arguably one of the best of the modern era captain has called it a day on his test career.
what are your thoughts.
What've you been smoking??
Nowhere near the best because of his atrocious test captaincy!
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His negativity in the test arena means he'll never be a "modern great"
Tbh in the test format, as soon as kohli nearly won the Adelaide test, he should have stepped down then, or been stepped down.
He didn't, weather for selfish reason or not we don't know, but India took a severe backward step in the two games since.
Now a draws not possible, he's stepped away.
Odi and t20 format are his bread and butter, and he's won so so many things and done such great things.... But tests are the pinnacle of the sport..... Should have tried harder, could have been so much better,
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Good riddance! Hate the way he has played Test Cricket!
Can't fault his limited over ability though, one of the best ODI/T20 players of the modern era!
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I echo most thoughts here.Fantastic one day t20 captain but pretty abysmal test captain. Far far to negative. On a separate note I love the way Kholi is winding up the aussies ( and getting it back)
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Always felt he played test cricket because he had to and his captaincy illustrated that. Never been his biggest fan after making light of corruption and match fixing.
Hopefully kohli can take a young team forward and restore the value of test cricket in India. Though I won't hold my breath...
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Dhoni has been a great ambassador for Indian Cricket. Given the bowling attack he has to work with, it is wrong to call his attitude negative, yes he approach has been passive but he can only do so much as the team.
He is the best captain India has ever had and he has shown extreme maturity by carrying on till Virat grows in confidence as test captain.
Some may think that he should have done it ages ago but hey at least he did what is best for Indian Cricket unlike some other modern day captains.
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He goes as India's most successful Test captain, but IMO Ganguly was lightyears better.
Sourav was a great captain and really supported his team and youngsters. His passion showed in his game and on his face but I wouldn't call him light years better. While Dhoni continued in Test despite his deteriorating performance, Ganguly did the same with ODI. Dhoni's unique [or limited] technique was more evident in test so was Ganguly's weakness to short bowling.
Credit where it is due, both had different teams and competed against different International Teams and have been legends in their own rights.
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Bring a World Cup home for India and you will be adored forever
Top career and to average 38 in Test cricket whilst both skippering and keeping is a top effort and shows that he might have cared a bit more than the small minded on this forum think
Looking forward to him continuing to tee off in limited overs cricket, which is after all what He's best at
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Odi and t20 format are his bread and butter, and he's won so so many things and done such great things.... But tests are the pinnacle of the sport..... Should have tried harder, could have been so much better,
They might be the pinnacle of the sport in England and Australia. But they are not, and haven't been, in India for a very long time
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They might be the pinnacle of the sport in England and Australia. But they are not, and haven't been, in India for a very long time
and to add to this...he couldn't carry on forever anyways so it is good that he retires now and let young Kohli grow without his shadow. I think he has done what is best for Indian cricket.
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One dayers and T20 one of the best but test cricket no
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Good Timing. Let kohli lead the test team and Dhoni can fully concentrate on 2015 world cup. i don't think team india has many test matches in 2015.
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Commendable that he played and skippered all three formats but his tat captaincy was far from making him one of the greatest captains.
Had a huge burden in his shoulders but think it's the right time to pass on the captaincy. Just wonder why he jacked it in and didn't play the last game?
Usually cricketers quit to make a fortune in t20 cricket..... MSD has already done that!
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Purely talking about Tests here. He has been nothing special on the field. However, he's handled himself and the team quite well over the last few years of 'transition' so while isn't a 'great', he isn't a failure etc.
Least now he's playing the formats that he and India care about.
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In some ways his performances in tests were symptomatic of Indian cricket as a whole - they cared when it was a home game but lost interest very quickly in all other circumstances. When he retires from one day cricket, I'll tell all and sundry that one of the greats has gone...as a test cricketer, to be honest India would have been better without for the last few years.
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I was kind of expecting it as there was something going on since he opted out of SL series. the reason given was hair line fracture but that can heal very fast. Had enough time to be fit and no reason for him to miss tour games in Aus and the first test. Have great respect for this guy, outstanding leading in all 3 formats especially in India. Was SRT's recommendation to make him skipper and worked out really well especially he took over the reins at very young age and limited experience before becoming the captain.
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he can't have been that bad at test captaincy I mean India did spend over a year as the number one ranked team under him... rather better than we managed!
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To be honest, Dhoni's card was marked once Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan Singh faded away. For along time both were key to India's success. Without Khan, India's fast bowlers are pretty much clueless. Singh at his best was better than Ashwin/Jadeja/Mishra put together.
Dhoni won 27/60 Tests as Indian skipper, but only 6/30 outside of India. Since the 2011 World Cup(both Khan and Singh's last hoorah), India have won only 2 Tests outside India(Kingston 2011 & Lords 2014). 15 defeats and 6 draws.
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he can't have been that bad at test captaincy I mean India did spend over a year as the number one ranked team under him... rather better than we managed!
That might count as evidence were the test rankings a particularly effective or clear indicator of relative ability, but we all know that they are not. Nor do all teams play one another an equal number of times, or over a set period.
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Dhoni was pretty good in the early part of his career.
Post IPL 1 and after finding his new Godfather Darth Sidious Srinivasan he seems to be not giving his 100%, almost not interested in the games at times.
The whole maverick persona was lost.
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He was captaining a pretty ordinary Test team lately, with either Bowlers or Batsmen or both failing since last few seasons, there's only so much a captain can do without the team contributing.
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, there's only so much a captain can do without the team contributing.
He could have looked like he cared for a start...!
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Dhoni didn't care and won the World Cup
Gale got racist and won the county champs
More than one way to skin your cat
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Dhoni didn't care and won the World Cup
Gale got racist and won the county champs
More than one way to skin your cat
Aside from the fact that Gale clearly didn't and was the victim of an ECB stitch up, do you not notice the issue - Dhoni in ODIs cares...and they win the world cup. In tests he looks like he'd rather be having a tooth extracted and....
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Because people should be allowed to tell people to f*ck off back to their own country on a professional sports field without consequence ???.
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Because people should be allowed to tell people to f*ck off back to their own country on a professional sports field without consequence ???.
Seems you can get away with a lot on a sports pitch though in fairness, in the name of 'banter'
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Seems you can get away with a lot on a sports pitch though in fairness, in the name of 'banter'
Nothing as severe as that though. Stump mics for the Australia-India test were so loud that you could vaguely make out the majority of conversations near the pitch.
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Nothing as severe as that though. Stump mics for the Australia-India test were so loud that you could vaguely make out the majority of conversations near the pitch.
Do agree though, saying that is so far over the line it really is bordering racist.
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Any self-respecting county would have sacked Gale on the spot for his tirade. He has made a rod for his own back (and Yorkshires) for the future when considering overseas and kolpack players
Anyway - my point was that you don't need to wave your arms around and shout abuse at the opposition to be a good leader. Would Michael Clarke or Brendon McCullum have fared any better as captain of an atrocious post-Zaheer seam attack? Maybe marginally if atall. They simply haven't had the talent in that department
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I'll preface this as "I don't know who it was said to", but telling a foreigner to eff off back to their own country isn't particularly racist. It's very xenophobic and small minded though, and comes across as distinctly UKIP.
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Andrew gale To ashwell prince.
There was alot of preceeding chat. Then Prince said f off back to mid on. Gales instant retort was f off back to your own country you kolpak f.
He actually got done for the kolpak remark and not the back to your own country one.