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Companies => Custom companies => B3 Cricket => Topic started by: procricket on February 14, 2015, 08:56:17 AM
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With a mixture of design and map we have come up with with this at 400 density 2-10 and a half will be available.
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Big fan of that Dave. I think I commented before that your DW2 was my favourite of your designs by quite a way but this looks great to me
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I know it will hurt the pickup, but I think the middle will need to be a bit lower on that shape.
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Nice shape mean reminds me of a current shape I can't quite put my finger on.
Not much of a duck bill for yourself. Are you going to use a 350 cleft for 2.5?
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I know it will hurt the pickup, but I think the middle will need to be a bit lower on that shape.
Phillip I hit the ball high up being a hobbit and low to the ground and in truth the high middled bats people think the coverage is massively effected it isn't. It all about pick up will stick in a heavy handle for optimum pick up.
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Nice shape mean reminds me of a current shape I can't quite put my finger on.
Not much of a duck bill for yourself. Are you going to use a 350 cleft for 2.5?
Not sure been working on handle weights and the difference. I tend not to pick clefts leave that up to the Doctor
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Nice shape. Reminds me of the mullanator but from a standard Cleft.
Should have a nice pickup and middle coverage.
Any been through the machine yet?
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Nope this baby is smaller and no concaving as shown the mull bellow which is a cracking shape.
Hows your mull going Chris
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My mull was going great guns until my thumb went!
I honestly thought I'd never find a middle as sweet as my kahunas from a fair few years back. But the mull.is in a different league.
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Well today was cleft selection time for my new and in truth match stick for the season
I went against my principles today i normally want 6-10 grains all white wood today i said find me something more heartwood and more grains than normal this is what he came back with..
Cleft 1
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Cleft 2
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In the end i choose cleft 2 never been a grain lover and heartwood so will give it a go the bat will weight 2-6 when finished.
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Cleft 1 - 28 grains. :o
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Price?
Max possible weight, edge, and spine ?
First tha Fvan bat and now this, you are killing me. :D
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Send you a pm mate are you talking about the forum special the 350 cleft price is on the cleft
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So you take a 354 density cleft to get a 38mm edge / 67mm spine on a standard cleft at 2'6? So how big would a 2'9 weight bat be using the same cleft?
Like the shape, though I would of extended the spine/edges slightly further up the blade and have it decline just before the spine. That way you would hope for a short person that hitting high up the blade would get you the same power as lower down. I suppose more Amplus like.
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Like the shape, though I would of extended the spine/edges slightly further up the blade and have it decline just before the spine. That way you would hope for a short person that hitting high up the blade would get you the same power as lower down. I suppose more Amplus like.
Yup, this is normally what I do to my specs since I am short and hit high on the bat. I have yet to test my "high" middle designs in a real net.
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Well it simple it would be a extra 3mm all over because for ever 10 density you can either go down 1oz in weight up up 1mm all over the bat so
2-9 would be 41mm and 70mm spine and although the cad doesn't reay show there no concaving
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2-9 would be 41mm and 70mm spine and although the cad doesn't reay show there no concaving
That'd make everyone envious on here
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Too heavy for me I like light bats
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The most effective profile I found were the jumbo profile, but the pickup can be a little bottom heavy and the gm icon, my match bat of the last two years.
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@uknsaunders
How about this for you
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Think if the edge profile was a bit smoother/curved it wouldn't be far off. What's the edge size?
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That one looks like a kook menace!
I really like the tonto. Just don't need another bat. .....
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It looks bloody ugly but each to there own
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@uknsaunders
How about this for you
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That in G3 or butterfly ... A bat that ugly might be the only thing that makes my technique look pretty.
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The most effective profile I found were the jumbo profile, but the pickup can be a little bottom heavy and the gm icon, my match bat of the last two years.
If someone could recreate the true Jumbo profile, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
Not sure if anyone can / is allowed to.
(although now I think of it, Dukes did for a while)
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@uknsaunders
How about this for you
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Now this shape with a Jumbo style nocxh out of the top, less of a duck-bill toe, smaller edges and no concaving would be interesting!
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That one looks like a kook menace!
I really like the tonto. Just don't need another bat. .....
Yup, looks like a kook I once saw, it was heavy.
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I know this sounds silly but do you also design bats for batsmen who actually middle the ball.
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Well the bats i design so far i know 100 have been scored with some of my designs
Middle the ball intresting though thats the equation i design for bigger coverage yes it funny most ameature cricketers middle the ball 3 in 10 so i design shapes like the kalimarr if you look at is designed for coverage yet in a light weight.
I say to people use a bat with a higher middle give it a try you will be suprised of the coverage.
You say middle but thats the beauty everybody middle is different. If you look at the 1271 that is one big middle it designed for off centre shots.
All me designs are there to enhance coverage not just a same condest spot.
The ugly bat above was not my design.
But all my experiance comes from using mate and i leave tehcnical stuff to streaky i test and i like to think i know what designs work and what dont.
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I say to people use a bat with a higher middle give it a try you will be suprised of the coverage.
Totally agree with this - I always used a lower middle thinking that was the best option for the "slow and low wickets", switched to a high middled bat at the start of last year (on my bat makers recommendation) and it's honestly changed my batting altogether, you'll be amazed how much easier it is to use a high middled bat compared to a low middle
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Interesting. I went into the nets the other day (they are slow and low) played about 60 balls and each ball left a mark on the new scuff sheet. I thought I hit the ball low down on the bat but if you look at the bat marks I hit it a lot higher than I thought. My point about batsman hitting the middle was serious. Do some batsmen hit centered shots more than others and therefore want less of the thick edges and more wood behind the middle even with a light modern cleft. I seem to hit the middle quite often (doesn't mean I'm any good its just were the contact happens) and find more old fashion bats suit how I hit better than some of the modern shapes. I want my 2.8 to be where I strike the ball and not helping the edge carry to slips.
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i like a massive spine and no edge as i tend to hit the ball towards the centre of the bat but it can be low down or high up so a nice long spine suits me great
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Interesting. I went into the nets the other day (they are slow and low) played about 60 balls and each ball left a mark on the new scuff sheet. I thought I hit the ball low down on the bat but if you look at the bat marks I hit it a lot higher than I thought. My point about batsman hitting the middle was serious. Do some batsmen hit centered shots more than others and therefore want less of the thick edges and more wood behind the middle even with a light modern cleft. I seem to hit the middle quite often (doesn't mean I'm any good its just were the contact happens) and find more old fashion bats suit how I hit better than some of the modern shapes. I want my 2.8 to be where I strike the ball and not helping the edge carry to slips.
Lucky man, mines like a paintball shoot gone wrong. If I could put the spine on both edges I would.
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My typical centre of hitting is round 14 inch from the top
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Here's my crictech map
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Just picked up finished bats pictures to follow
As I said I have gone for something a tad different with heartwood and loads of grains
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Few pictures
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And i'm led to believe this man loves my new shape he was one of my old favourites great to have Marcus North onboard
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Nice shape seems a larger steel than a expected from the cad. I do like that.
As for Mr north.great edition. I have noticed he's been in england alot this winter. And therefore one assumes not playing in aus this year.
What are his plans going forward? Playing or coaching a county side? ?
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Nice shape seems a larger steel than a expected from the cad. I do like that.
As for Mr north.great edition. I have noticed he's been in england alot this winter. And therefore one assumes not playing in aus this year.
What are his plans going forward? Playing or coaching a county side? ?
Ive heard Marcus has signed to play for South North in the NEPL this season
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Nice shape mean reminds me of a current shape I can't quite put my finger on.
Looks very similar to the H4L Tempo MkII to me
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It not massive spine mate and no concaving only seen the original Tempo nothing like that i have been told it looks closer to a f18 by Easo as well i think it looks like a tonto.
Very happy with it these are the match bats
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It's great profile. Here's the Tempo MKII for comparison...
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Thats got much more concaving for sure and i guess a smaller spine but bigger shoulders in bat terms bar the middle i think mine is slightly higher.
Our spine is bigger into the handle too and has a greater dip at around 4.5 inches down. That look slightly off set edges as well our isn't at all
Does look a nice bat though got to say my bat would be 2-11 if a normal 400 cleft was used.
Too much concaving for my liking on that for me but each to there own Matt does some nice bats
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I appreciate it is not exactly the same as the Tonto has no concaving. I was merely saying the rough profile looked similar in response to someone else's previous comment, the same as someone has obviously commented about the F18
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it ok pal just had it last time when our pro designed a bat pal when it takes you quite a few hours to perfect what you want you get abit precious about your design
Just watched the video of the H4L bat it got a bigger toe too mate.
Both good shapes first time i have gone higher middle and with the mega grains and one other special feature.
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Do you finally agree with me Dave that it looks like an F18?
I'm not usually a grain lover but they both look belters
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Looks like a couple of belters, very lucky man Dave, good on ya
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All ready now for the season
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Turn a light on or something Dave!
Can't see what I'm meant to be looking at ;)
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Just my personal kit pal I like the artist way the light hits the floor buddy.
Sorry
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Can we get a better picture of all the bats please mate?
And how do you chose one out of the eight to use as your match bat?
Liking the look of those softs too mate :)
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I only ever use one I games pal until it breaks the 1271 was the daddy but my new tonto are the new kids on the bloke mate
People seen enough of my bats there a thread here and I design it have input every month
These two are my main bats currently not chosen on with one with ziZi as back up the rest are old or trial mate
It takes me quote a while till I'm happy with them to be match bats mind I do more pick up and feel over anything but the new 2 without any doubt have the best pick up I have personally felt on a bat but they have been designed this way
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As for the softs I think Russell has done a great Job I liked last years I love this.
I think we have moved up a notch or two in this area.
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Dave has asked me to post this video of him.
Chance to catch his dulcet Lancs tone https://vimeo.com/121179436 (https://vimeo.com/121179436)
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Cheers I can't do videos at minute mate
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How many arms do you have?
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Little update on on my two new bats (Old stickers boo)
Well the uglier one is going like a cannon i used it last night and it had around 200 overs of bowling machine through it and a couple of nets and it good that good the mega grainer has had to settle for around 20 balls on the machine and has been relegated.
Bloody really happy with the bats.
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200 overs :o . Not too sure if I play that many overs entire season including nets :(
Lovely bats Dave, more I see them the more I want them.
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What's the special number on the handle if one would want one???
Brilliant Thanks
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3306 I ask for different things I don't like the edges boned so it gives a flat face effect but thats me
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Bloody really happy with the bats.
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Wow, Is that Crown grade willow?
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It a strange one it not graded really I guess density wise it as light as it gets at mid 350 both .
I use the uglylier one it first one I used and going well really well
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Love the grains on that; but most probably beyond my means anyway :-[. Just wanted to know how many stripes would have gone on that.
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Hello mate hard one to say I guess it could be anything from a three stripe to a crown.
We wouldn't ordinary sell a three quarter heartwood bat unless somebody really wanted one as it could be brittler than sapwood and may not last as long.
It is ultra low density this one with not a blemish a all 31 grains
It not the looks but the size of the bat for the weight and wood in it as others who have seen it it big and possibly the best balanced bat I have used and seen and if anybody wants to see one get yourself down to dotball on a Monday or Wednesday im there see for yourself
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Dave, what weight would this be for a 400 density cleft? Seems to be a couple of conflicting posts on here that say either 2.10.5 or 2.12?
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My 392 density long handled butterfly tonto was 2.103 from memory. So you're looking at under 2.11, not 2.12 as stated in the butterfly thread. Thats my guess
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400 will be 2-12 mate as my two are both 2-7 and a half from 355 and 352 respectively however I had extra binding on mine two just a touch so a 400 would indeed be just under 2-12.
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@procricket B3 (Dave), I am very impressed with that profile. I think it would suit me perfectly. However, if it were to be made as a T20 bat (1 inch shorter blade), to get more wood in the playing area, how would the shape change?
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Well the toe is thin so if you did what Sarg did I his thread would do that to it his thread is on here.
I would do what he did for t20 or make it narrower and make it a bit thicker
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My recently acquired Tonto
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It's a belter!
Weight - 2.6.8 with a ripple
Edge - 38mm
Spine - 65mm
Zero concaving. Have to admit it's a gorgeous shape, just hope I get chance to use it this season!
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Well the toe is thin so if you did what Sarg did I his thread would do that to it his thread is on here.
I would do what he did for t20 or make it narrower and make it a bit thicker
This is the post Dave is referring to:
http://www.custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=34500.msg547619#msg547619 (http://www.custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=34500.msg547619#msg547619)
also discussed in the Master thread:
http://www.custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=34404.msg547977#msg547977 (http://www.custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=34404.msg547977#msg547977)
It could have been the dumbest move ever, but it still feels amazingly light in its pickup. Its 2.10 dead now, but still feels way lighter. I ordered the long handle as a oval and it is nice in the hands even though i hold the bat higher on the handle.
I might end up using it as my match bat.
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I added a couple of mm to the toe on my version of Dave's tonto, with a harrow length/full width profile. I suspect you could get it to 30mm if you needed it.
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I was thinking about my comparison shots in my links above with the SS Master and B3 edge sizes. The pressing on the two is the difference. I'll be knocking in the SS for hours with my LV and i doubt it will ever perform like the B3. The Tonto was knocked in less than an hour!
I'm sure if the Tonto was pressed like the SS it have edges 1 -2 mm bigger ever though it has a 4.5 mm camber compared to the SS 1 or 2 mm camber. Edge size is not what a B3 bat is about.
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We can cater for anything we have normal clefts that push 40-41mm edge size pressed and we can on a oversized get up to 50mm edge size plus. I just love the design of the Tonto and the way it has been manipulated so it suit different people and there needs it what a design should do and at 37.5mm edges not a small bat at all and in my super low density it a very big bat at 2-7 and a half only one bigger I have seen that's easbo who got a lucky mistake and a 349 cleft
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Very Happy with both my bats Dave. Don't care about edge sizes over 40 mm but that's good to know we can go big.
I knock in a few bigger bats for people and they don't feel my cup of tea. The Tonto profile is all i want. Big in the middle and powerful, yet so balanced and nimble enough that i can flick and glide if i need to. Love my butterfly stains too as there is one at the top, one at the toe and a recessed stain right in the sweetspot, with some marbling and a bit of a branch on one edge. Feels hard and pingy.
I'm trying my best to hit my big shots out of the middle most of the time even though the scuff sheet on the db2 might debunk that statement as i'm relearning how to move my feet with some offseason coaching.
Only time i like the look of a a 40 + mm edge is when my outswing is working! [emoji2]
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Thanks @sarg for the links. The shortened bat looks good. I am considering getting a T20 bat made which should ping from pretty much anywhere (especially from below the stickers).
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Its only slightly shorter in my opinion so not only a 20/20 bat. After watching both the Kudos and Kudos2 Reviews by ItsJustCricket I can see the blade length is almost the same as those blades, so suitable for all forms. I arrived at this by coincidence only.
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I don't think the blade is shortened as much as Newbery Blitz or Uzi and certainly longer than a Mongoose Cor3.
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Used my Db2 and Tonto yesterday in a social 20/20.
I went in at no 3 early on chasing 183 with the Db2 and three overs later my teammate runs in from the boundary saying the Db2 didn't sound right and takes it off me and leaves me with the Tonto. The only thing wrong with the bat is its winter and they need playing in and the 200 balls on the bowling machine is not the same a leather.
I should have said go away, but I didn't bother. But that restricted me to just gently playing the ball around and taking singles and twos rather than going big.
Batted for 10 overs for 25 in a couple of partnerships that went at 9 an over. Man I'm unfit, so i just retired with seven overs remaining and 67 required because i knew the tank was empty and i twisted my knee.
Timing was all off, but I timed one perfect drive on the Tonto through extra cover that was dead in the middle on the Tonto and it rocketed along the carpet and to the boundary for four. I was only trying to gently hit the gap. Wow.
Pickup on the Tonto was noticeably lighter than the Db2 and i could still deft touch a few late cuts. Can't wait for proper training to start so these bats can get some more hit outs and to come to life.
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Well feedback is the tonto was a success scored a lot of runs with it I could have gone heavier as it picks up so well.
I now use a 2-12 but have moved onto a mull for the last 6 games of the season with success.
I plan on doing some more designs this year if there any thoughts on something you would like to see please pm me and I will try and get it cad designed to see what it is like.
I looking more into the coverage side of things again with a more even convex look like the zizi but it trials season to have a look at designs again for the season
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Being small Dave and 2'12 being heavy, I think you need something like this:-
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The high middle will help pickup and bat speed.
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Not big enough for what I'm thinking
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Well feedback is the tonto was a success scored a lot of runs with it I could have gone heavier as it picks up so well.
I now use a 2-12 but have moved onto a mull for the last 6 games of the season with success.
I plan on doing some more designs this year if there any thoughts on something you would like to see please pm me and I will try and get it cad designed to see what it is like.
I looking more into the coverage side of things again with a more even convex look like the zizi but it trials season to have a look at designs again for the season
How did the Sulphur go? For me that's really the 'Daddy Bat'
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Went very well mate the original one the zizi went better in terms of pick up and love but the mull is different gravy . But I'm working wi streaky on something new as I write I have a plan but got a load of my light bats I need to shift like the tonto as I not use them
Got to many bats laying around too be honest time for a clear out a big one
So plans are do the design
Find the cleft
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Funny isn't it? In terms of shape the Zizi doesn't do it for me - the Sulphur is the best shape I've seen. I'm a little bit in love with it!
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Dave has the pictures..... I think he likes it!
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Went very well mate the original one the zizi went better in terms of pick up and love but the mull is different gravy . But I'm working wi streaky on something new as I write I have a plan but got a load of my light bats I need to shift like the tonto as I not use them
Got to many bats laying around too be honest time for a clear out a big one
@ procricketb3 I'll have your cast offs pal
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I know we seem to have gone all massive bats but I still love these bats got some deciaions to make and decisions are strong point with bats.
Spent half of last night messing with bats it funny some players we supply ask for small bats as they dot like the look or feel of big bats.
I have weights ranging from 2-7 to 2-15 in bag need to sort it I guess
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How many are in the bag at the minute Dave?
I was trying to do the same thing last night! Its not easy deciding which ones to part with though!
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10-12 maybe I don't tend to sell my bats only ones I acquire elswhere.
You got a few on eBay at minute John got my eye on one of it yours
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Stuck a few on last night, they're on the wifes account though. Its hard deciding which ones to part with, got a lovely TK Lukeys sports bat nearly went on but just couldn't bring myself to sell it!!!
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Made another 25 with my Tonto and its just 'opening up' (don't get excited everone, i know the difference) and starting to ping seriously well now and i reckon it will get much much better.
Thats 3 digs 25 ret, 1, 25.
I have a newer 2 stripe bespoke Andrew Duffield designed that looks like that Laver above with 1 mm concave at 2.9. It picks up lighter. Still only playing it in. Not sure I want to switch.
I also purchased a 2.10 GN100 before they finish their runout. But that is destined for sale or display only. Not sure why, but i just love the scoop.
I don't want to use either as the Tonto with a true oval handle feels great. I know I lowered the middle by 1 cm and ruined the pickup ny going long handle, but I'm tall, so it works for me to lower it slightly.
Worst still is I'm eyeing off one of those oversized cleft monsters, especially that 50 mm edge one you designed. Dave, i need you to post on my Facebook bat page what you're B3 collection of big bats looks like.
All the Aussies players buy is GN/Kookaburra. It will freak them out. I preach the good word, but cannot get it through their heads that with B3 and any bespoke bat maker they are only bound by budget and imagination.