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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: FattusCattus on March 25, 2015, 08:07:26 PM
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What is this LMS cricket that many of you talk about and play?
What is it?
Where is it?
How Does Work?
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@FattusCattus
It's an eight a side cricket game where last batsman is allowed to bat without a partner. It's run internationally with various teams from US, UK, Australia and other countries participating.
http://www.lastmanstands.com/uk (http://www.lastmanstands.com/uk)
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they currently have their world championship running. its being held in barbados.(although for the right price any team can take part) one of my mates works for last man stands so is out their basically being payed to play cricket and do the umpiring and other bits.
its effectively a social game of cricket when everything is organise and you turn and play.
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I run a team fattus - if you want to understand more, give me a shout. Basically 8 a side hit and giggle cricket on a week night or weekend. 2.5 hour T20. It is sometimes not quite as social as some people make out ;)
Also has some interesting rules to deal with the gamesmanship that can go on.
Double Play - If you catch the striker out, the non-facing batsman has to return to their crease before the ball breaks the wicket there else both batsmen can be out.
Due to the retire at 50 rule, you can have lower order batsmen giving their wicket away to ensure that the run scorers come back in. If you, as the fielding team, think a batsman has done this, you can appeal against the out, ensuring that the low scoring batters stay in.
It is five ball overs. First wide results in an extra run and an extra ball. Every wide afterwards doesn't result in an extra ball but costs two runs. Everything that goes down the legside without touching bat or ball is considered a wide.
Plus a few other bits and pieces...
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How invigorating!
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It is true that some teams are not so social but in the most part they are a good bunch. The league standard varies hugely, some of the mid-week London leagues are ultra competitive but out league (Clapham Sunday) is a Sunday league in every sense of the word. It works for us as most of us cannot spare a whole day, and the rubbish players can play without having to spend 5 hours in the sun not bowling to get out first ball if that makes sense. Fancy a game we always have space!
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I could be keen mate - moving clubs to play for Roan and Lambethans on Saturdays but keen for a shorter game on Sundays. What sort of time does it normally run from/until?
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As tim2000 said they are about 2 hours. And the time changes each week but its from 10-12 12.30-2.30 etc until I think the last one is about 5 ish but I haven't checked the schedule. We are the worst team in the world mind,,,, not even a joke.
http://www.alloutcricket.com/cricket/recreationalcricket/cant-bowl-cant-bat-can-play (http://www.alloutcricket.com/cricket/recreationalcricket/cant-bowl-cant-bat-can-play)
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Speaking of LMS I have just seen they have started to sell their own kit!
Who makes when then http://www.mylmskit.co.uk/product-p/spit-v.htm (http://www.mylmskit.co.uk/product-p/spit-v.htm)
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Speaking of LMS I have just seen they have started to sell their own kit!
Who makes when then [url]http://www.mylmskit.co.uk/product-p/spit-v.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.mylmskit.co.uk/product-p/spit-v.htm[/url])
From a post by @tim2000s I think it's Robinson's
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From what I understand LMS is a Franchise operation. The ECB give rights to geographic areas and the organiser pays to run the event in that area. In order for the organiser to get his money back they then have to flog crap kit and whack up hire fees. It's in effect a money making operation that the ECB hopes will drive up participation.
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Knew it wouldn't take long for them to start selling kit - it's definitely Robinsons looking at the designs/fonts used. It was always going to end up as a money spinner for someone.
Haha @TBONTB - can't say that really bothers me, just so long as you guys enjoy a good pint afterwards I would be interested!
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From a post by @tim2000s I think it's Robinson's
Yup.
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From what I understand LMS is a Franchise operation. The ECB give rights to geographic areas and the organiser pays to run the event in that area. In order for the organiser to get his money back they then have to flog crap kit and whack up hire fees. It's in effect a money making operation that the ECB hopes will drive up participation.
Nothing to do with the ECB. Last Man Stands is owned by a couple of Saffas or Aussies (can't remember) who flog the regional franchises to people. ECB jumped on the band wagon a couple of years ago and gave it their blessing when they realised that London had about 30 odd leagues and loads of people playing. There is more about it here: http://www.lastmanstands.com/aboutlastmanstands (http://www.lastmanstands.com/aboutlastmanstands)
I know the London and Devon franchise owners, and there is a lot of organising going on. The fees in London are £90 per match per side, and for that you simply turn up and play. You just have to organise your team. Umpires and grounds are provided (although umpires are often of dubious quality). When you consider that you are essentially paying £13 a head to play weekly, people don't mind too much. Especially as all they have to do is turn up with their mates.
Many teams bring along a crate of beer and enjoy that when participating.
There is also a "registration fee" that is obtained through providing overpriced shirts.
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£90 per side per game?
It's 8 a side so over £10 match fees for hit and giggle? We get a full days cricket and a tea provided for less than that!
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£90 per side per game?
It's 8 a side so over £10 match fees for hit and giggle? We get a full days cricket and a tea provided for less than that!
What are your annual subs, and how do you arrange a pitch? And more importantly, do you ever struggle to get a side out and get new blood in?
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What are your annual subs, and how do you arrange a pitch? And more importantly, do you ever struggle to get a side out and get new blood in?
£70 annual subs blanket rate for all playing members.
We arrange pitches to correspond with league fixtures we are provided.
The pitch is our own for home games so arranged months in advance. For away games we turn up where we're told.
getting a side out is a bit of a struggle at £5 a go for hit & giggle, over £10 would be a deterrent.
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our league is quite cheap, cost £5 for adults and £3 for juniors. the franchise owns the west somerset and taunton league. prices are very cheap as the club dont charge any money for the ground as its on the astro and take some money over the bar.
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I play in the same league as James ^^^ and absolutely love LMS! Great format, everyone gets a game, and is good practice during the week ready for the weekend. Our team got to the nationals a couple years back, and had a very boozy weekend in Liverpool. Hope it takes off more around the country!- http://www.lastmanstands.com/player-profile&userid=41669 (http://www.lastmanstands.com/player-profile&userid=41669)
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We run a league at our club. Our 3s/4s pitch and 5s/6s pitches have astro turf so get games on. Ours is £6 per player and I think we pay the umpire £15/20 but they also put out the boundaries, stumps, also score the game out in the middle whilst the next incoming batsman umpires from square leg.
Obviously the intent is to get new people into cricket/old players that dont have the time/a bit more midweek for those that want it.
Unfortunately, in Barbados a few of the sides are sponsored by their coaches (aka old farts with money) who are subsidising their trips so they can try and win it! Absolute madness. It is meant to be £1000 a player for 10 days. All of the players I know out there (about 6 playing for a variety of teams they've never played for before the trip!) are paying only a couple of hundred quid each!
Kabir Ali played for one of the sides!
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sounds expensive for such a short game. £5 for 2020 is bad enough really
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It is expensive, but its the convenience. There is no 'club' to join, everything is taken care of with regards to organising things all you have to do it turn up and play. You don't have to train, or suck up to somebody to get 'selected' at least in all the teams I have seen its just mates who want to play cricket together. There is competition in the loosest sense of the word but mostly good fun and everybody just has a good time. I don't have the time to join a club, go to training during the week and play on the weekend so LMS is my only real option.
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It is expensive, but its the convenience. There is no 'club' to join, everything is taken care of with regards to organising things all you have to do it turn up and play. You don't have to train, or suck up to somebody to get 'selected' at least in all the teams I have seen its just mates who want to play cricket together. There is competition in the loosest sense of the word but mostly good fun and everybody just has a good time. I don't have the time to join a club, go to training during the week and play on the weekend so LMS is my only real option.
Agree with this, £5 to turn up and play. No setting up, umpiring, scoring, packing away, and everybody is pretty much guaranteed a bat and bowl!
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Norwich have a league this year, my club have set up a team so looking forward to giving it a crack.
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I have to agree with the sentiments of the "social" aspect of this format.
However, I was 'done' by the team that I was filling in for last night and am still feeling quite frustrated.
Asked/told to bat at 8, more the latter than the former.
The opening bat also kept wicket (I am a keeper) and the other opening bat bowled first change.
The "captain" batted 3 and bowled first over.
I was asked to bowl the 14th over when they were 7 down, I refused.
My match consisted of fielding the ball 3 times, each time coming at a costly £3.33 (£10 match fee, somewhat different to others on here)
Personally I feel that this was quite out of order, but some may feel different, some may say that I was offered the chance to bowl, but at the time I was pretty annoyed and felt they were taking the pi**.
If someone was helping my team out, I would offer them the chance to open the bat/bowl or keep (If appropriate), I appreciate some people may not want to do this, but surely it is better to offer?
Personally I believe that it is experiences like this that is contributing to the decline in participation in cricket. Not me personally, who plays for a fantastic League team who ensure that everyone gets their fair share of game time and to me last night was "supposed" to be a bit of fun, helping out a few mates. I just won't offer to help out again.
But there will be individuals who could experience this in their first game of cricket or experience this week in week out.
Apologies, Rant Over.
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I have to agree with the sentiments of the "social" aspect of this format.
However, I was 'done' by the team that I was filling in for last night and am still feeling quite frustrated.
Asked/told to bat at 8, more the latter than the former.
The opening bat also kept wicket (I am a keeper) and the other opening bat bowled first change.
The "captain" batted 3 and bowled first over.
I was asked to bowl the 14th over when they were 7 down, I refused.
My match consisted of fielding the ball 3 times, each time coming at a costly £3.33 (£10 match fee, somewhat different to others on here)
Personally I feel that this was quite out of order, but some may feel different, some may say that I was offered the chance to bowl, but at the time I was pretty annoyed and felt they were taking the pi**.
If someone was helping my team out, I would offer them the chance to open the bat/bowl or keep (If appropriate), I appreciate some people may not want to do this, but surely it is better to offer?
Personally I believe that it is experiences like this that is contributing to the decline in participation in cricket. Not me personally, who plays for a fantastic League team who ensure that everyone gets their fair share of game time and to me last night was "supposed" to be a bit of fun, helping out a few mates. I just won't offer to help out again.
But there will be individuals who could experience this in their first game of cricket or experience this week in week out.
Apologies, Rant Over.
I think you are completely correct, it is another factor in the decline in participation. However, quite a few purely play win at all costs so will say 'if x is a better bat and/or bowler then they bat/bowl higher regardless. Unfortunately, this attitude wins out as people associate winning with enjoyment.