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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Topic started by: musama91 on December 10, 2009, 01:21:51 AM
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http://www.evolutioncricket.co.uk/ (http://www.evolutioncricket.co.uk/)
Looks like a new brand on the block. I like the graphics and the gear and the PRICES ARE THE BEST EVER!
Anyone seen or tried or even own some Evolution gear?
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Test Softs
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LE Softs
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WK Gear
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looks like nice stuff - although it does not say what grade the bats are and there is a lack of overall information about the bats.
Maybe see more from them in the coming months
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Boring!!!! Way too many generic brands like this nowadays - they offer nothing new or different - they use a stock pad and glove design and as has been mentioned a lack of information on the site. It doesnt say if the bats are english made or indian made, not that it makes a massive difference but some punters will want a bit more info.
These guys are based in Kent, perhaps Matt (h4l) can shed some more light on this??
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The stickers are a carbon copy of champ bats. I had the black champ which is called the fighter, but the red champ is called the majestic. All the stickers are doing is (on the front) covering the C of the champ branding and replacing it with their logo. The gloves look extremely similar to a brand that gets their gloves made there, so I am guessing the stuff is made by champ. However, if thats the case, then the bats should be excellent.
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Bats and gloves and pads look like they're from champ sports, look on alibaba, very similar designs.
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Yeah the branding is almost identical . . .thats lazy!!!
I do like the look of the softs tho! Although the pads are very similar to Redback with the silvery knee cup etc!
Still overall stuff looks good in my opinion . . .but are they another mass importer/rebrander??
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Seen 3 or 4 and they were terrible. Musama what did you mean on csf when you said "The new solitare?" Dont think the prices are all that either, bearing in mind my Itias was £100 and redback was £160 for Le so only £25 more and a much better bat in my opinion. Dont see what all the fuss is with solitare
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very bland and unimpressive....a very poor attempt at launching a new brand. Looks they just got into the business because they wanted to..... the guys could not even put the grip on the bats right (see the red rings they are uneven) for the photo session....
pads and gloves have the same design as SS softs......
with so many brands / companies coming-up there has to be some sort of innovation or a USP to sell and establish the brand in the market......
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I dont necessarily think a company has to have a USP or innovation in order to succeed but merely they have to provide 1) a quality product and 2) great service. But Yash your right there are a numerous companies like this one that merely import and rebrand gear. Like some have told me there is nothing wrong with this its just business, but in my opinion a poor business that has no sustainability.
If they make their own bats . . . then fair enough but its likely they are either imported out sourced out. However, they do offer a 50% discount to promising youngsters so cant fault them for that
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Very interesting - I did initially write that designs were stock copies but everyone apart from the big brands does stock designs with their branding, so I thought it would be a bit unfair to point that out. Prices are excellent - come on! I can get the batting gear and wk gear for £250 - that is awesome, surely?!
It all goes back to what Phil @ Aero said: Too many brands in there for the sake of it, with no innovation.
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yeah i dont think anyone could argue with their prices but you have to remember that they are introductory prices so after this period they will match brands like Redback, H4L so they will have to not only match their quality but also match what they offer.
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Got this e-mail back from them . . .make of it what you will
Danny Thank you for your email and questions about Evolution Cricket.. Our cricket bats are made of grade one willow which is purchased by myself here in the UK. Due to excessively high bat crafting costs from the UK I send the willow to a craftsmen in India to be tailored to our requirements.. All bats are handmade so each one is different to the next in regards to the weight and feel of the bat.. I hope this answers your immediate questions. Please feel free to contact us should you have any further requirements.
Best Regards,
Daniel Cotton
Evolution Cricket
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It still amazes me how it is cheaper to buy the willow in this country - have it shipped to a factory in India and then have it shipped back!
Maybe the fully British guys could market their bats as being eco friendly!
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Has anyone now used any of their kit or is planning to purchase any? I'm very curious as to the quality of the bats. I know they're crafted in India but that doesn't mean necessarily that they're bad or they're good.
gramw, were you saying you'd seen 3 or 4 of their bats and they were terrible? If so why? If not what were you referring to?
Like the idea kenbriooo, some of the British batmakers on this forum could try it out. Maybe add something about their greenness on their websites.
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There softs look half decent :)
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they look like the work of mohit @ champ sports. i can't see why evolution cricket would go to the trouble of buying 50 grade 1 clefts ,sending them out to india to get them shaped? surley its cheaper to get them uk made? you have to send themto india,have them made, then send them back? doesn' really make financial sense? i smell a bit cow poo....
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I understood your first bit hell4leather but not this bit
surley its cheaper to get them uk made till you have sent them and made them them sent them back?
Could you clarify? What is the quality like of Mohit at Champ Sports? Do they make their bats or have them outsourced?
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Think there ok ,got a sample set of gloves ,they were alright not outstanding though
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Have you seen their bats? Do you know who they use to make them in India? I know their prices are low but are they of even lower quality?
In short does their kit (particularly bats) represent value for money?
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Gloves and pads look good value for money. Bats you can pick up cheaper elsewhere.
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i have never seen any of there bats, your prob best just buying a indian made bat cheaper ? i can make you a grade 2 for £125
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Sorry to bump this topic back up but I'm curious as to whether anyone has tried one of their G1 bats at £135 or any of their other kit for that matter?
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I used to own a champ fighter (now belonging to Liam_SCCC) and it was a grade 1, so the bat I own will be identical to the bat I owned. The champ was one hell of a bat, pressed to perfection in my eyes and it absolutely flew when I found the middle. I was guessing these bats are no different.
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I love this champ craig is talking about! Such a good middle.
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.... and I am the fool who sold it :( haha
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so the bat I own will be identical to the bat I owned
I'm confused by this bit. Could you clarify please? Do you own an Evolution bat?
Hope you are recovering as I'd read you were very sick a week or so ago.
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Ha, I wasn't even interested in it! I think you attached the pictures by accident! You will be briefly reunited with it shorty. Probably send it to you to have back by April the 11th.
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I'm confused by this bit. Could you clarify please? Do you own an Evolution bat?
Hope you are recovering as I'd read you were very sick a week or so ago.
It was mentioned that these bats are made by the Champ guy. Craig had a champ bat which I now have
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Yeah sorry for all the confusion. I will try and clear it up.
Evolution cricket bats are made by the same company as I bat I previously owned. This bat was amazing, and at the end of last season, I sold it and now I was wishing I didnt, because its was a brilliant bat. I am sure Evolution bats are similar. And yes alot better now thankyou for asking! :)
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talking about re-branding are they doing any different to other brands on here look at most of the custom bats forum sponsors they all are re branding pads and gloves
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Well procricket they are basically Champ equipment, with evolution cricket labels, but at very competitive Prices.
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exactly and in the competitive nature that is soft you can not go wrong at that price.
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But often these custom companies which you compare evolutuion against will be able to offer a far superior service with regards to bats - do you think you can go to the evolution workshop and get a bat handled, pressed, shaped and finsihed in front of you - Hell4leather, SAF, Redback etc can all offer this service and this is what differentiates them from the hundreds of companies who buy in both bats and softs.....i'd take one of the aforementioned companies over evolution every single time. Every single cricket company gets their softs from a handful of companies in India - therefore variation will never be massive. For me, the bats are number one reason i would go for a brand.....which is the opposite of you procricket.
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Yeah totally agree with SS here on this point, my first concern is always the quality of the bat, if im happy with whats on offer I then look/judge their softs. But if their softs are s*** then it normally puts me off the bat as I tend to think one reflects the other.
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But often these custom companies which you compare evolutuion against will be able to offer a far superior service with regards to bats - do you think you can go to the evolution workshop and get a bat handled, pressed, shaped and finsihed in front of you - Hell4leather, SAF, Redback etc can all offer this service and this is what differentiates them from the hundreds of companies who buy in both bats and softs.....i'd take one of the aforementioned companies over evolution every single time. Every single cricket company gets their softs from a handful of companies in India - therefore variation will never be massive. For me, the bats are number one reason i would go for a brand.....which is the opposite of you procricket.
intresting just shows how uneducated you are about kit.
do you know what my match bats are??????
i would put up my number 1-3 bat against anything you and mike could throw out.
the number 1 bat is made by what some consider the best batmaker on the planet ie James Laver he is not some small time forum guy but hey as you said and made your comments you should understand what bats i use.
and 2 other were made in front of me which as you say is a good thing unless you do not know what your looking for.
but as i have previously said bud the cricket equipment world is much bigger than this forum.
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and guess what funny i do not use Laver softs but hey you are a forum legend who knows it all because your mates with mike.
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and for what it worth buying a bat made in india from bas or ss is it a sin most of newbery and salix are made there.
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oh and i would take Laver over anything silly you could throw my way in regards to bats.
it's interesting how some on here knock the new bought in and even some other custom company like solitaire who offer a good cheap alternative you on commmision or something from the other company's.
remember some people can not afford £400 bats i think there are good company's offering kit which is affordable to all.
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Dom you upsetting people again?!
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idiot who likes to corner the market for his little buddy's.
maybe company's like evolution might bring some of the brands silly mentioned prices down.
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Salix and Newbery don't make their bats in India, they're made in England with English willow grown in England... Not sure where you got that from mate!
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Think he means some of their lower end models which maybe outsourced to India as margins wont be the same on them with people paying a premium for top end bats
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tumo
trust me and not just the lower end ones either i know some of the mid range ones as well
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they might be. But the fact that we don't have insider's knowledge means that we don't know. I'd still back them to make quality bats, even at the lower end of the scale.
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what when you can buy a grade 1 bat for the same price with different stickers?????
all i am trying to say is it is good in cricket equipment for more suppliers to offer goods at different prices giving everybody a chance to own kit they want not just what you thought was top notch because of some stickers
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Fair point well made!
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the stickers are cack
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I don't know many (if any) people who buy bats solely for the stickers. If you have, for example, GN softs, and you want to buy a GN bat, fair enough but the person won't buy a bat they don't like. And as you should know, it may be a grade 1 bat, but a) Bats are graded mainly on aesthetics, unless you get a smaller brand who genuinely grade on quality of wood, and b) Bats come in different shapes and sizes, with more wood in different places, higher/lower sweet spots, etc., so for some people a supposedly lower grade bat may be better for them feel-wise. What I'm saying is that different people have different requirements, and if you're on a tight budget, then you get the bat which feels right for the price you can afford, which could be a GM Apex 808, or a Kook Ice 400, or a Hawk X-Bow.
And Carn: I agree, stickers aren't great, they'd have to come off!
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ha ha same straight off
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smaller brands genuinely grade on quality of wood.
sorry mate but look around this forum it is a classic example you mostly buy bats of here on stickers/grains.
if somebody put up a bat on the for sale section what is the first thing you do(even i do) look at grains you never know the performance or the pick up.
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that's exactly what i said if you read my post mate! i said most bigger brands grade on aesthetics, whereas some smaller brands genuinely grade on quality of wood. people don't necessarily buy bats off here based on the stickers, but most companies come with a reputation. even with that reputation, most smart bat buyers (i'm sure petehosk will be able to confirm this for me ;)) will still check out grain quality. which brings me back to what you were saying earlier, people buy bats based on quality of wood, and shape, as opposed to the sticker, but also on what feels best to them. Therefore, a price for the same bat will be interpreted differently by 2 people, one may think it's expensive, because it doesn't feel right, whereas for others, it may be the perfect pick-up/feel for them, so it's a decent price. It's subjective opinion methinks!
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tumo read my post it called sarcasm
do not believe the hype on smaller bat company produce better bats.
yes it a very subjective opinion but to say smaller company's genuinely grade on quality of wood is just plain madness whilst bigger do not.
my point at first was not about bigger or smaller or custom or not it about people knocking bats they no nothing about at all about.
like i have previously stated i think there is room for reproduction company's like evolution if they are one maybe some of the other will look and thing oh might not be able to charge this.
There is a reason why more bats are being made in india and trust me it not all about them just being cheap.
but for a man who did not know lots of salix and newbery are made in India your doing quite well.
there is kit out there at every price for everybody no matter what your budget is
how's them clipper pads i miss them
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I don't think it's a case of people knocking bats they know nothing about, because a lot of people on here (especially bat-makers on here) will have tried many out, to get a feel of what they like, to test the market, or just to whore bats like Pete. I don't think that the prices that some of the companies charge is fair, especially as I've seen what the RRP's are for Hunts compared to the factory prices that they sell them to cricket shops for are, and I'd assume that the other companies are fairly similar on that level. But most companies will claim that the recession has forced prices up, and not having access to their books, people can't disprove that. I agree that some companies will give you very good deals, such as Solitaire's bats, and Woodworm's new stuff, for example, and that bigger companies have to realise that they need to lower prices to make it a more competitive market. But the problem is, you won't find a lot of the better priced companies' kits in the average sports shop, because of the dominance of the bigger brands. It might change with time though. Not had full chance to test out clippers yet, still wearing in my bradbury pads as well!
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nice mate i get trade at hunts county and the mark up is just daft and driving people to look elsewhere like indian company's.
it interesting i get trade at a few comapny's but after getting my last match bat from a Indian source i will find it hard to match the quality in terms of everything i wanted in terms of money i spent and that with english company's offering trade.
i find it hard to believe people are paying over £150 pounds on bats these days and that is with trade when you can get better in house made good bats for around a £100 pound.
and yes i have a top end laver and i also have a few others including a £110 pound bat i would bet on against any on here.
but like you said buying bats is very subjective
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what makes you sure you're bats are so incredible? i reckon i've had one which would peform as good, it doesn't matter where you get it from or who makes it as much as the actual cleft. and a great cleft could go to any of the brands
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cji my bat is amazing to me i love it ;)
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dan i agree but i know 2 of my bats are a little special and that is my point one cost £300 one cost about£110 both were gambles but as i have said the quality in performance is no difference.
i sure most people have a gun bat on here and like what they get but as I HAVE STATED not many have used them and a certain person started slating them without prior information.
all i am saying is do not believe everything you read on here as all fellow cricketers you all know your budget and work within it but if a company want to try and give you something cheap but still quality then surely there worth a look at no matter were it is made
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i do agree with you pal.
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Procricket, I'll give you £1000 cash if you can get me a Newbery men's bat that has been made in India.
You know what you know and seem to think that it is enough, that sadly is not enough, you can never know too much and so while we are all short of complete knowledge you should understand that your opinion is no better than anyone else's. However some facts are ignored, I don't think you can make a bat without machining and pressing it, so one of your bats was not made by the brand, merely shaped and any incredible performance will have to be credited to the bat maker rather than the brand. Since you think I cannot produce a bat that beats the one that has been made by my friend for you as he does for me the challenge has been fulfilled.
Surely the idea is to buy, try and review. I'll be willing to let you use some bats in the net to change your mind.
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so mike your telling me in the last 3 years newbery have not out sourced any mens bat from india at all
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Procricket, I'll give you £1000 cash if you can get me a Newbery men's bat that has been made in India.
You know what you know and seem to think that it is enough, that sadly is not enough, you can never know too much and so while we are all short of complete knowledge you should understand that your opinion is no better than anyone else's. However some facts are ignored, I don't think you can make a bat without machining and pressing it, so one of your bats was not made by the brand, merely shaped and any incredible performance will have to be credited to the bat maker rather than the brand. Since you think I cannot produce a bat that beats the one that has been made by my friend for you as he does for me the challenge has been fulfilled.
Surely the idea is to buy, try and review. I'll be willing to let you use some bats in the net to change your mind.
Ahhhhh - the Leviathon emerges from the deep, and snaps at the angry Stonefish.
(That's profound that is!)
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Never ever offer Talisman a challenge, as it will be undertaken, and more than likely, he will be the victor!
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we shall see might just have to ring up a mate to get a ringer
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I know they haven't, 100% sure and willing to put up good money to back it up. Seen loads of Indian made sample for them, most a very good copy of the bat shape but never as good. They would be a great prize but committed to UK made bats.
I'm going to bring my bowling machine to bowl for me at procricket in the nets, I'm not up for that challenge...
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if i can make it if all the bats people are saying are good i could end up going home with about 20 (junior peterhosk )
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mike one last question if i like your bat better than mine do i get a free one(chance my arm)
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Yes, but not from me, from Hosk Industries PLC....
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ok mate was wondering thought if i try a bat from you and like it does that mean it is used and going to be cheaper.
(you can tell i am a northerner)
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I would never sell my own bats, too hard to find them again. I'll have a couple of specials on here tomorrow night.
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need to try it before i buy a bat over 150 notes mate
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I'll break that rule for you, net with mine and feel free to tap up the others, knock them in and face them and you can net with them......