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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: 21wilsonj on August 09, 2015, 01:31:28 PM
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Now that the ashes is over and australia have been put in there place , what does everyone think about our ODI team. Will we get smashed by a good Aussie side or could we pull something out of the bag?
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Is a team of Roy , Hales , Root , Morgan , Buttler , Stokes , Billings , Rashid , Willey , Finn , Wood or similar expected?
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Those are the guys that will play and following winning the Ashes I bet they cannot wait to show what they can do
I am actually staring to feel sorry for the the Aussies
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I like Roy but I'd like to see the following:
1:Hales
2:Root
3:Taylor
4:Morgan
5:Buttler
6:Stokes
7:Billings
8:Rashid
9:Willey
10:Wood
11:Finn
Just think Taylor has to play and that's the best way I can think to get him in :)
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I like Roy but I'd like to see the following:
1:Hales
2:Root
3:Taylor
4:Morgan
5:Buttler
6:Stokes
7:Billings
8:Rashid
9:Willey
10:Wood
11:Finn
Just think Taylor has to play and that's the best way I can think to get him in :)
imo whilst root has opening experience he is better used at 3 so if taylor was going to play he would probably play 4
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also any ideas what the Aussie team will be like.
I heard that starc , johnson and hazelwood could be rested for the ODI's
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imo whilst root has opening experience he is better used at 3 so if taylor was going to play he would probably play 4
I don't feel particularly strongly about it I just think Taylor deserves to be in there and the only person I could see making way is Roy, unless you drop Billings and move the order round even more but then you end up with Stokes/Buttler down at 7 which I think is too low!
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Roy, Moeen and Hales will be the top 3, not sure in what order.
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also any ideas what the Aussie team will be like.
I heard that starc , johnson and hazelwood could be rested for the ODI's
I would imagine a few from the current Aussie A tour in India may get a go.
Hoping Joe Burns is involved.
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Roy, Moeen and Hales will be the top 3, not sure in what order.
so root at 4 or 5 and billings dropped with taylor not playing? also that would mean either buttler or stokes has to play at no 7 and with those two as two of our most important young prospects 7 is no place for either of them.
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Stokes has to be given his chance at number 3. The damage that he can do is too valuable to waste down the order in limited overs cricket
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Stokes has to be given his chance at number 3. The damage that he can do is too valuable to waste down the order in limited overs cricket
whilst stokes would definitely do damage at 3 , so would hales , moeen , root and buttler. stokes is an all rounder so wouldn't really bat 3.
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Root scored nearly 300 runs at 3 in the NZ series, any thoughts of perhaps leaving him there?
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Root scored nearly 300 runs at 3 in the NZ series, any thoughts of perhaps leaving him there?
yeah thats my personal opinion as he is amazing there and our best batsman.
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any thoughts on who should bat 7? Billings is the one of the only options as buttler would be wasted as well as stokes or morgan. who should play there?
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Root scored nearly 300 runs at 3 in the NZ series, any thoughts of perhaps leaving him there?
Couldn't agree more it's just the only way I could think to get Taylor in, who in my opinion has been fairly mistreated, he had a great run up to the World Cup at 3 but then got stuffed back down the order to accommodate Ballance, then never got a look in against NZ, just seems unfair to me when he's so good at white ball cricket.
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I like the team of
1. Hales
2. Roy (I think he gets to have another series to try and make an impact, if he fails to do so, then worth having a look around the circuit at who is scoring runs, for the UAE series)
3. Root
4. Morgan (why can he score runs for England but not Middlesex)
5. Buttler
6. Stokes
7. Billings
8. Rashid/Ali (Ali smashes it in white ball cricket, and IMO would be a handy bowler. Another option to move up to opener like in the WC if Roy doesn't have the best of series.)
9. Wood
10. Willey / Footitt (I'd play Footitt in the Oval test for what it's worth)
11. Finn
Worth nothing that Bopara seems in good form for Essex, but has he had one chance too many already?
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Despite being skipper is Morgan likely to be dropped due to the terrible run of form
He is in for Middlesex?
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I like the team of
1. Hales
2. Roy (I think he gets to have another series to try and make an impact, if he fails to do so, then worth having a look around the circuit at who is scoring runs, for the UAE series)
3. Root
4. Morgan (why can he score runs for England but not Middlesex)
5. Buttler
6. Stokes
7. Billings
8. Rashid/Ali (Ali smashes it in white ball cricket, and IMO would be a handy bowler. Another option to move up to opener like in the WC if Roy doesn't have the best of series.)
9. Wood
10. Willey / Footitt (I'd play Footitt in the Oval test for what it's worth)
11. Finn
Worth nothing that Bopara seems in good form for Essex, but has he had one chance too many already?
I don't think Ali is worth playing at 8 as rashid is probably the better limited overs bowler but moeen opening instead of roy if he fails to make runs is a good choice imo. also taylor might be good enough to get a look in as well as the fact that stokes is a bit wasted at 6 but 1-5 are taken.
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I think that's fair enough - there's a strong squad, so from the 11 most people seem to think is likely, you've got Footitt, Ali, Taylor, Bopara, possibly Bairstow, as more than competent squad members.
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I like the team of
1. Hales
2. Roy (I think he gets to have another series to try and make an impact, if he fails to do so, then worth having a look around the circuit at who is scoring runs, for the UAE series)
3. Root
4. Morgan (why can he score runs for England but not Middlesex)
5. Buttler
6. Stokes
7. Billings
8. Rashid/Ali (Ali smashes it in white ball cricket, and IMO would be a handy bowler. Another option to move up to opener like in the WC if Roy doesn't have the best of series.)
9. Wood
10. Willey / Footitt (I'd play Footitt in the Oval test for what it's worth)
11. Finn
Worth nothing that Bopara seems in good form for Essex, but has he had one chance too many already?
Boyara is a step backwards but not just one chance to many several chances to many.
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I like Bopara but tend to agree with Seniorplayer, he's had his chance, always look forward!
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Those are the guys that will play and following winning the Ashes I bet they cannot wait to show what they can do
I am actually staring to feel sorry for the the Aussies
No need to feel sorry for us son.
(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10141786.ece/alternates/w620/australia-world-cup.jpg)
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whilst stokes would definitely do damage at 3 , so would hales , moeen , root and buttler. stokes is an all rounder so wouldn't really bat 3.
Allrounder can't bat at 3? Stokes is not in the same league but Kallis did, didn't he?
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Allrounder can't bat at 3? Stokes is not in the same league but Kallis did, didn't he?
It's changing all the time. All rounders will be batting anywhere. Kallis, Watson etc style players will be coming in wherever. It's just a matter of practice these days.
Like you said, there is no reason why they shouldn't.
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Got a good feeling this is the time where Roy will make himself known a little more on the international stage. Still nowhere near the test side but for ODI's the guy can be very, very lethal.
Moeen at 3 for me.
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I would do the same Rick - I have to say it is pretty tough working out the batting order and team from the names in the squad.
I have something like
Hales, Roy, Ali, Morgan (Taylor is in rather better form...), Stokes, Buttler, +1 tbc, Willey, Rashid, Woakes, Finn
You already have two spinners and four seamers in the side, so you have a slot, one option would be to put taylor at 5 and move people down - but I think that means you wont get the best out of Stokes and buttler, so I leave them where they are. Can you put taylor ay 7 - not really - so that leave Billings or Vince - which seems all a bit odd to me. Woakes at 10 is just bonkers...!!
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Ali will replace root rom last odi serious.
And maybe soaked replace wood. Rest be the same.
Hales
Roy
Ali
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Billings
Willey
Rashid
Wood/worked/plunkett
Finn
Remember billings was a specialist no7 against nz.
Other way could be.
Hales
Ali
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Buttler
Billing
Willey
Rashid
Wood
Finn
I say the above as Stewart apparently tweeted "harsh on Roy by England, he deserved to continue from the last series"..... And then deleted it.
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The decision has been made I think that Hales and Ali will open. I think that is wrong personally - although it is impossible to deny that Taylor disserves his run in the team. It puts the performances of the very out of form Morgan in the spotlight.
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Morgs has had time off from middx as he's hit a bad trot, so maybe they think a break will work.
England should persist with Jason Roy. You can't get 12 in the team but we really should have a look at this guy
and he's from Surrey :)
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Should have been Roy instead of Ali hope I am wrong but Ali will struggle against the new ball.
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Roy should definitely open in my opinion, also Taylor needs a good run in the side (poor he's been overlooked in the past). Would like to see the gloves thrown to Billings as well at some point in the future to test him.
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Also Roy's form the last 6 weeks or so has been excellent particularly in the shorter format. Maybe tomorrow's one day game against Kent can help.
Also he had the highest innings in the Blast from an Englishman, correct? Seeing that 121no was fun
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Morgs has had time off from middx as he's hit a bad trot, so maybe they think a break will work.
England should persist with Jason Roy. You can't get 12 in the team but we really should have a look at this guy
and he's from Surrey :)
Going my your last selection point we should look at Stoneman because he's from Durham haha!
Roy definitely deserves a start and for me should just slot in at 3 where Root was, with the same openers as NZ!
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Roy should definitely open in my opinion, also Taylor needs a good run in the side (poor he's been overlooked in the past). Would like to see the gloves thrown to Billings as well at some point in the future to test him.
Yeah I did find it bizarre that when Buttler had the injury they called up Bairstow and gave him the gloves instead of Billings. Obviously it worked but still was an odd decision as they could have slotted James Taylor in for Buttler and given the gloves to Billings which would have been my approach.
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Going my your last selection point we should look at Stoneman because he's from Durham haha!
Roy definitely deserves a start and for me should just slot in at 3 where Root was, with the same openers as NZ!
haha that was my little joke for Buzz about Roy being from Surrey!
actually I think Roy has serious talent, you have got to give him a go to see if he can settle against intl bowling, we want to play an aggressive style now and he is one of them that can do it.Hales is another.
As for Stoneman(I presume yr a durham supporter!) :-) he maybe in the selectors thoughts.Not sure how we will select for the UAE.Hales I think will go. I don't think Hales will be a Test player myself and who knows if Lyth gets another chance. I would say there is still a space for a permanent opener(tests)- we cant keep chopping and changing...they might look past county runs like they did with Vaughan and tresco??
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I think a team of
Roy
Hales
Taylor
Buttler
Ali
Stokes
Billings wk
Willey
Rashid
Wood/Woakes
Finn
would be our best option
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I think a team of
Roy
Hales
Taylor
Buttler
Ali
Stokes
Billings wk
Willey
Rashid
Wood/Woakes
Finn
would be our best option
Who will captain now you've taken Morgan out?
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Who will captain now you've taken Morgan out?
Taylor
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taylor captained when Morgan missed some England games for the IPL, and then Taylor didn't get picked again once Moores was out.
It's a bit odd.....may be nothing other than England's current management don't think he has quite got it- same deja vu with the couple of tests he played.
He's a good player for sure, numbers are good.does'nt get much of a run in the team thou. If he doesn't get picked against Australia they have prob drawn a line under his name
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If Taylor "gets a line drawn under his name" I'm going to live on a desert island far away from the rest of humanity haha
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If Taylor "gets a line drawn under his name" I'm going to live on a desert island far away from the rest of humanity haha
haha... but Enlgand don't fancy this guy do they? look at his test and one career.....he went thru an absolute purple patch and still they were reluctant to give him a run. He played tests against SA then got left out.
He's played one dayers, skippering in Morgan's absence, then get in the squad after a change of management and not in the 11.
Do you think he will play against Australia?
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haha... but Enlgand don't fancy this guy do they? look at his test and one career.....he went thru an absolute purple patch and still they were reluctant to give him a run. He played tests against SA then got left out.
He's played one dayers, skippering in Morgan's absence, then get in the squad after a change of management and not in the 11.
Do you think he will play against Australia?
Don't know, I think he should just slot directly into the slot made available by resting Root but I get the feeling that it might go to Ali instead. I just don't understand what James Taylor has ever done wrong, I mean has he slept with a selectors wife or something?
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she would have to be fairly short if so :)
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she would have to be fairly short if so :)
We're all the same height lying down haha
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haha that was my little joke for Buzz about Roy being from Surrey!
actually I think Roy has serious talent, you have got to give him a go to see if he can settle against intl bowling, we want to play an aggressive style now and he is one of them that can do it.Hales is another.
As for Stoneman(I presume yr a durham supporter!) :-) he maybe in the selectors thoughts.Not sure how we will select for the UAE.Hales I think will go. I don't think Hales will be a Test player myself and who knows if Lyth gets another chance. I would say there is still a space for a permanent opener(tests)- we cant keep chopping and changing...they might look past county runs like they did with Vaughan and tresco??
I certainly am a Durham boy!
Roy should open for the same reason Lyth deserves to open in the 5 day format. The only thing we will achieve by dropping Roy now and doing the same to next man is running out of options because everyone has been in and out after 5 games. Roy has clear talent and deserves his place in the side.
To throw another idea in there though, for the t20 side who opens rather successfully for northants in the blast who is in that squad? Opening with Mr Willey would probably be too left field for England but he could be in the mix if they are taking Roy out of the t20 form.
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Roy bringing up his fifty now against Kent in the RLODC QF, batting very well so far
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hope he gets a big score. This lad def has something special about him.
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100 up, well played but he's been very lucky not to have been caught on a few occasions
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Ok guys - what's your predicted lineup for today?
Mine is -
Hales
Roy
Ali
Taylor
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Rashid
Willey
Plunko
Finn
Not a fan of Billings and Buttler in the same side - one or the other please. Want to give Roy a couple more chances please, and I fancy Plunko to do well.
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Ok guys - what's your predicted lineup for today?
Mine is -
Hales
Roy
Ali
Taylor
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Rashid
Willey
Plunko
Finn
Not a fan of Billings and Buttler in the same side - one or the other please. Want to give Roy a couple more chances please, and I fancy Plunko to do well.
Like the looks of that team Fattus!
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Should be a selector me!!! Bats down to 10 and option of up to 7 bowlers.
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Should be a selector me!!! Bats down to 10 and option of up to 7 bowlers.
Who's the 7th bowler? Finn, Plunkett, Willey, Rashid, Stokes, Ali and ? Does Roy bowl?
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Who's the 7th bowler? Finn, Plunkett, Willey, Rashid, Stokes, Ali and ? Does Roy bowl?
Roy does bowl some half decent mediums, doubt England will be using him though!
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Roy is the 7th (and emergency) bowler
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Ahhh I never knew! You learn something new everyday :)
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Taylor in?? :D
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Yup - he's in. Haven't worked out the rest of the Xi yet.
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England
1 Alex Hales,
2 Jason Roy,
3 James Taylor,
4 Eoin Morgan (capt),
5 Ben Stokes,
6 Jos Buttler (wk),
7 Moeen Ali,
8 Adil Rashid,
9 Chris Woakes,
10 Mark Wood,
11 Steven Finn
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England 1 Alex Hales, 2 Jason Roy, 3 James Taylor, 4 Eoin Morgan (capt), 5 Ben Stokes, 6 Jos Buttler (wk), 7 Moeen Ali, 8 Adil Rashid, 9 Chris Woakes, 10 Mark Wood, 11 Steven Finn
Australia 1 David Warner, 2 Joe Burns, 3 Steven Smith (capt), 4 George Bailey, 5 Shane Watson, 6 Glenn Maxwell, 7 Mitchell Marsh, 8 Matthew Wade (wk), 9 Nathan Coulter-Nile, 10 Mitchell Starc, 11 Pat Cummins
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Australia
1 David Warner,
2 Joe Burns,
3 Steven Smith (capt),
4 George Bailey,
5 Shane Watson,
6 Glenn Maxwell,
7 Mitchell Marsh,
8 Matthew Wade (wk),
9 Nathan Coulter-Nile,
10 Mitchell Starc,
11 Pat Cummins
Decent side too!
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Harsh on Wiley to get dropped for woakes!
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I agree! I think I would have had Willey instead of Woakes to be honest!
But the rest of the selection seems pretty good!!
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right chaps, the little bloke is finally getting a go.
Has Taylor got the class to cement a place in the team? we don't know, FC records says he has.....
regardless...COME ON TAYLOR and we need to LEAVE HIM IN for the series to give the bloke a fair chance
there, ive said it...... :)
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Odd that Bailey comes in before maxwell and Watson. Platform already set
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I reckon they will start to go from over 32/33! So need to continue to go steady for another 5 or 6 overs before bringing in the bigger hitters?
I would expect this is the case at least!
And England can only stop this by taking wickets so an interesting struggle over the next 10 overs! If Aus are only 2 or 3 down by over 38 then England will end up trying to chase a huge total!
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Rashid doing the business!
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According to the commentary, only one of the three wickets was a decent ball (2nd wicket)
His 1st and 3rd wickets were full tosses - how often do bad balls get wickets, or 2 wickets even! ;)
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According to the commentary, only one of the three wickets was a decent ball (2nd wicket)
His 1st and 3rd wickets were full tosses - how often do bad balls get wickets, or 2 wickets even! ;)
They all count haha :D I don't mind that he's been a little expensive either, he's an attacking spinner who's in the side to take wickets so as long as he keeps doing so I'm happy :)
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And again, I don't understand what certain folk have against him, I know he's not Shane Warne but the lads a proven wicket taker!
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And that was a decent ball evidently! He's on for a 5-fer!
England needed those wickets otherwise it would have been a humungous total!!
This is looking like a competitive game again, although England have a habit of either making hard work of a chase OR totally falling apart!
Win or lose, would be good to see another close match, just like the T20 the other day!
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It would be great if Rashid and Ali could bowl like this in the Test series in UAE, Ali keeps it tight allowing Rashid to go on the attack, could work very nicely!
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Maxwell caught down leg side? A bit of a flukey wicket there but they all count.
I was going to predict that Maxwell was going to hit a quick 70 odd and that Watson would be out LBW. So there goes the first part of my prediction!
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Maxwell caught down leg side? A bit of a flukey wicket there but they all count.
I was going to predict that Maxwell was going to hit a quick 70 odd and that Watson would be out LBW. So there goes the first part of my prediction!
Don't worry Pete, I'm sure Watson will uphold his end of the bargain :D
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Or not, dammit Shane!
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He messed up the other part of my prediction!! Oh well!
Better not do any lotto tonight!
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Rashid is a leg spinner, he's gone for less than 6s an over in an ODI.
People are slating him for being expensive, but I'd be happy with that!
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Rashid is a leg spinner, he's gone for less than 6s an over in an ODI.
People are slating him for being expensive, but I'd be happy with that!
At the time I said that he was going for 7 or 8 or something I think but it was early in his spell, I personally rate Rashid massively and think he should have had a run in the test team before now.
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England to chase 275?
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England to chase 275?
I still think England will be chasing over 300! Starc is more of a bowling all rounder and can do some real damage with the bat!!
And the other 2 bowlers can hang around and do the same. I just feel that there will be some big overs in the last half dozen :(
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Yes - looking more like 300 now - we really need a couple of wickets.
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318 from 50 I reckon!!
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Decent run a ball opening partnership is broken and hales gets excited and puts some filth straight down midweek a throat.
Roy looks good.
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Great knock from Roy, hope that keeps a few people quiet
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Yup, bully for him - runs is runs!
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Like the way Roy plays-seems to be very positive and unselfish.
Watson eyeballing Taylor? My money is on Taylor.
'The bigger you are the harder the fall' :)
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Probably more shock or disgust about why he should play an insane shot like that when you really don't need to?
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Think Wade might be walking back to the hotel tonight
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Aussies fighting back here. Run rate rising.
England bat well in the first 15? Or aus bowl to short??
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Oh wankfuktits!
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Time for a Buttler / Morgs / Moeen special here. Need to whack a few and put them on the back foot.
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The capitulation begins. Poor again from Buttler.
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Has woakes ever passed double figures in odi cricket? Odd decision to play him ahead of Wiley
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This be old England. Collapse is on.
When was last time buttler scored runs in a few games in a row??
#bringbackbairstow
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Moeen should come up the order
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All over!! England 9 down still needing 74.
Hales Roy taylor(mainly the later two) got us off to the start we needed. But England getting bogged down in the middle cost us
Aus bowled well eventually.
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A good game of cricket. England needed one of Roy, Taylor or Morgan to hammer it home. Never mind, still thing they're on the right track. Would just swap Stokes with Mo, who at least has some shots to the spinner.
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Taylor is my favourite current English player. Love his attitude
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Little confused why mo bats lower than stokes and butler. Isn't he a proper batsmen?
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Little confused why mo bats lower than stokes and butler. Isn't he a proper batsmen?
Who knows? He's a better "biffer" of the ball than either as well as he plays proper cricket shots and can be a very fast scoring batsman!
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Ben Stokes is a 'proper' batter too....
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Ben Stokes is a 'proper' batter too....
I agree, I think both Ali and Stokes are more "proper" batters than Buttler but that does not take away from Buttlers obvious ability, I haven't seen many strike the ball like he does, his timing of big shots and his hand eye co-ordination are rivaled only by Morgan in the England team (in my humble opinion of course) and although he hasn't been in great nick recently, I don't think there's any doubting his importance to the side in all 3 formats, I think it was Cook himself who described Buttler as "the heartbeat of the team" along with Stokes and Root.
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I enjoyed the game yesterday.
Good to see England finally competing, one day wise
Rashid had a nice bit of variety with his bowling
Taylor's batting can only get better, the more chances he's given,(imagine him and Root batting together )
I like Stokes attitude and commitment
I'm not convinced with alis batting, but at least he's not afraid to take on the bowling
Buttler, hmm not convinced
Wood, yeah big fan
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Id say selection was because.
Buttler stokes used to b 7 and 8 and everyone said they was wasted.moved up order they initaily scored runs.
Root out so Taylor to replace. But then a bowler short!
Moeen in as he can bowl offies but bat in our random specialist batting slot. No7.
Harsh on billings and Willey in my opinion. But then do we want England to chop and change after 1 loss?
I'd like to see Willey back in atleast. But reckon we will remain unchanged.
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Willey is better with bat and ball than Woakes, and being a left armer he adds a bit of variety to the attack.
Can't understand the decision to change them round after Willey did nothing wrong earlier in the summer
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You could make the same argument about Bairstow, came in for a game and won it for us, then dropeed.
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Has woakes ever passed double figures in odi cricket? Odd decision to play him ahead of Wiley
Couldn't agree more he's shown again out of his depth at this level
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Couldn't agree more he's shown again out of his depth at this level
I've never rated Woakes that highly but think he is needed in this side as the only quick with decent control. Agree he hasn't delivered with the bat yet
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Woakes is a talented all round player and he has done well previously.
We will need him over the next few years
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Also our quickest after Wood
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Seen to many Bits and pieces players play for England they don't work reckon he will fail more times than he delivers.
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Seen to many Bits and pieces players play for England they don't work reckon he will fail more times than he delivers.
Bits and pieces? Lad's got a first class bowling average of 25! Also can push 90mph with good control. Don't worry about his batting, he's a decent bat but that's not why he's being picked.
I don't see the position as being Woakes v Willey anyway, I'd pick the both of them and leave Wood out, don't think he's as good a limited overs bowler.
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Can see him being another Bopara At this level the best bowlers swing the ball around at 90 MPH and then there was the world cup fiasco.
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I tend to agree with Edge, I think Wood is a great player but if England rate him so highly and with his injury record I see Willey and Woakes as a better option, I think Woakes will prove his class and Willey is a white ball machine!
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not a good advertisement for gn kaboom gloves :o Hopefully nothing too serious
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not a good advertisement for gn kaboom gloves :o Hopefully nothing too serious
Not sure any gloves are going to protect the palm side of the thumb at that pace
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Benji will the captain one day. What a great talent! C'mon Benji, show us your quality.
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Mitchell Marsh looks terribly uncoordinated for an international cricketer!
The Peter Crouch of WA Cricket?
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Slightly off topic but does anyone where you can buy the blue adidas beanies that some of the
England team were wearing whilst warming up?
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Very poor bowling by Stokes at the end, Ali very poor and proves he hasn't have the ability to bowl economically under pressure and poor captaincy by Morgan for not bowling his most economical bowler his full compliment of overs
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Come on Roy
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Huge bow in Alex Hales' bat - surprised
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AUS won the 2nd ODI. England just can't chase 300+
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Taylor is struggling.
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Taylor is struggling.
He's still there though, should have gone when shelled on 9 but it's the approach we need of a player that can dig in and occupy the crease even when struggling instead of dancing down the pitch and getting out after using up a load of balls anyway.
Grinding out a 75+ from him to anchor the innings is what we lacked last game from any of the batsmen
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Benji, what have you done!
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That confirmed what we all knew then, Steve Smith is a complete (No Swearing Please)
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Ben Stokes you idiot
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@kdale6 , what did Steve Smith do? I missed that.
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Benji, what have you done!
Stuck his arm up in self defence as a ball was hurled at him, it was an instinctive reaction rather than a deliberate attempt to protect his wicket.
Steve Smith has proved he is a total cugina there, spirit of cricket - what's that?
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@kdale6 , what did Steve Smith do? I missed that.
Appealed for obscuring the field.
By the letter of the law out (as is in the book). In the spirit of cricket, Stokes put his arm up for self preservation, hardly justified to appeal!
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That confirmed what we all knew then, Steve Smith is a complete (No Swearing Please)
Couldn't agree more. Clearly a reaction to save yourself. Regardless of wearing a lid or not someone throw the ball at your face you put your hands up to protect yourself. He sees the ball heading his way and it's a reaction to protect. He wouldnt have been able to pick up he exact line of the ball so threw his hands up as he turned around. 17 yards away how can you think I'm gonna stop this from hitting the stumps. Think his eyes were closed too! Poor from Australia but even worse from the umpires. Just shows what they do, win at all costs!
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^ that explains kdale's comment. What is a cugina? :D
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LMAO smith another pointing in making. I call that BS
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What is a cugina? :D
My favourite pseudo swear word! A cross between vagina and See You Next Tuesday :D
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Morgan got mad skills.
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Right or wrongly the umpires have made a decision, why are the media constantly debating it? I thought this was cricket not football
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Right or wrongly the umpires have made a decision, why are the media constantly debating it? I thought this was cricket not football
It was a contentious decision, so the more time spent discussing/debating that the easier it will be to gloss over the fact England are still miles behind the best teams in ODI cricket
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Another failure for Woakes... #GetWilleyIn
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Is this any different to Broad not walking or a bowler appealing for an LBW when they know it has been edged onto the pads?
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I don't think any other international team would have appealed in that situation. Take NZ for example, play hard cricket but stick to being a gentleman. I also didn't like it when Steven Smith walked into argue with Morgan during an intense discussion with umpire. Decision was granted in favor of AUS and Steve Smith should have stood down leaving Morgan to discuss whatever he wants with the umpire.
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Stuck his arm up in self defence as a ball was hurled at him, it was an instinctive reaction rather than a deliberate attempt to protect his wicket.
Steve Smith has proved he is a total cugina there, spirit of cricket - what's that?
The ball was likely to hit the stumps and Stokes was a mile out of his crease. Ball would have missed him by a metre. No doubt it's instinct, but so was Steve Waugh's handling hte ball dismissal, but it is out. Let's not forget England's ODI "spirit". No one is perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIy4dRbCo8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIy4dRbCo8)
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Rashid is also gone ... Falling apart way too fast. Pls stick around to atleast see Morgan unleash some more shots !
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Is this any different to Broad not walking or a bowler appealing for an LBW when they know it has been edged onto the pads?
On a basic level, no - it's all against the spirit it the game.
Going a bit deeper, yes it is different, it's an unusual dismissal so will be more of a talking point. The fact Stokes is only the 6th man to be dismissed this way in ODIs shows how rare it is.
The scenarios you listed are now "part of the modern game" (not rightly so, but sadly true) so is not taken as the norm (again, wrongly so) whereas obstructing the field is a once in a blue moon occurrence so gets people talking more.
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Rashid is also gone ... Falling apart way too fast. Pls stick around to atleast see Morgan unleash some more shots !
Need Root back to anchor the middle order. Taylor/Root/Morgan is a pretty formidable set up IMO.
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On a basic level, no - it's all against the spirit it the game.
Going a bit deeper, yes it is different, it's an unusual dismissal so will be more of a talking point. The fact Stokes is only the 6th man to be dismissed this way in ODIs shows how rare it is.
The scenarios you listed are now "part of the modern game" (not rightly so, but sadly true) so is not taken as the norm (again, wrongly so) whereas obstructing the field is a once in a blue moon occurrence so gets people talking more.
I'm merely playing devils advocate, and agree that the premise is the same but circumstance is different, rare and unusual. For the circumstance it is worth talking about but the premise happens in almost every cricket game ever played.
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Looks like Morgan + Plunkett might pull off a chase here :-) !!
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Was fun while is lasted.
Get Buttler and Woakes out, Billings and Willey in for the next one.
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Surely Bairstow should be brought in if Buttler gets rested? Better gloveman and batsman than Billings in my eyes.
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Havnt seen any of the match waiting for highlights now.the stokes dismisal sounds very poor but the umpires can only apply the rules if the oppo appeal in this situation
Us england fans may not like it..however i saw the game collingwood upheld a run out against grant elliott in a one dayer
So england are not whiter than white..we have history
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Stokes trying to protect himself No way could he have known if the fast and hard throw would have hit the stumps or not also not in the spirit of cricket but should we be surprised after all this is unsporting Austrialia.
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How many more failures will Woakes be allowed with both bat and ball before he's dropped.
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I think the decision to appeal for the obstructing the field is a disgrace!
That said, wold England have done the same in that position......100%
The Aussies are wounded because they lost the Ashes so will do whatever it takes to win something this tour.
I will take the ashes win but this just leaves a very sour taste because we are England fans. Poor day for cricket but it's in the laws and the decision was made
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To me stokes knew he couldn't get back, and knew he couldn't turn in the line of the stumps either so threw his hand up to stop the ball. Of it was actually at then I'd buy self defence, the fact it it wasn't and he could easily dove out the way anyway and if he's run out, so be it. He knew he couldn't get out so took a risk and the aussiesmknew it.
Spirit of cricket is dead, no point bleeting on about it in the pro game.mspirit is there for the amateur game . You see it all the time, batsmen run between bat and ball like the old days or turn in from of the stumps when like starc, people shy.. All obstructing the field but we get away with it due to weak umpiring. More should be given out to stop it, until people learn not to run between ball and stumps
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To me stokes knew he couldn't get back, and knew he couldn't turn in the line of the stumps either so threw his hand up to stop the ball. Of it was actually at then I'd buy self defence, the fact it it wasn't and he could easily dove out the way anyway and if he's run out, so be it. He knew he couldn't get out so took a risk and the aussiesmknew it.
Spirit of cricket is dead, no point bleeting on about it in the pro game.mspirit is there for the amateur game . You see it all the time, batsmen run between bat and ball like the old days or turn in from of the stumps when like starc, people shy.. All obstructing the field but we get away with it due to weak umpiring. More should be given out to stop it, until people learn not to run between ball and stumps
He must have the quickest thought process in the world to be able to do all that in about .25 of a second. Clearly a reaction and nothing more. Wasn't even looking at the ball and had his eyes closed. Just a shame poor umpiring and poor sportsmanship from the Aussies had such an impact on the game, at least the crowd had some fun from it. Would he have smashed the winning runs, possibly not but who knows. Hopefully England will bounce back and build on the starts. Only a decent knock from a couple away from a win. Few not performing but when they do it will be like the nz series
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He must have the quickest thought process in the world to be able to do all that in about .25 of a second. Clearly a reaction and nothing more. Wasn't even looking at the ball and had his eyes closed. Just a shame poor umpiring and poor sportsmanship from the Aussies had such an impact on the game, at least the crowd had some fun from it. Would he have smashed the winning runs, possibly not but who knows. Hopefully England will bounce back and build on the starts. Only a decent knock from a couple away from a win. Few not performing but when they do it will be like the nz series
He manges to react to quick bowling and take blinding catches so his reactions are decent enough to dive out the way. He just knew that by getting out the way he'd be run out so took the gamble and used his hand. Others may have turned towards the stumps to block them (which is also out). It's unfortunate and rare but it was still out
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IMO it was out. no love lost between bruce's and nigel's. On the plus side this is a far far far more interesting ODI side than that monstrosity at the world cup !!
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Having now seen it i dont see how anyone can say in a split second he deliberatley blocked the ball from the stumps.
Its just a reaction-yes starc was aiming at stumps rather than the man thou.
I would LIKE to think an England captain may withdraw the appeal...
Smith would of been better appraoching the umpires and been less agressive-he clearly had words with Morgan
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion but he doesn't have super human reactions. Someone throwing a ball from 17 yards away he's not going to be able to see where the ball is going, just that its in the vicinity of his head/him. Reacting to catches and fast bowling he would have had a lot more time. Taking catches/ batting is a reaction and instinct half the time. His instinct to throw his hands up and flale wildly in hope of protecting himself. I also don't think the ball was actually hitting the stumps anyway. Common sense should have prevailed. Unfortunately the umpires didn't see it that way.
Let's just hope the boys build on their starts and the bowlers start to perform. It will only take a few performances to get to where we were against nz. In those games we clicked, these we aren't
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Next season is going to be unbearable because of this. Appeal after appeal for obstruction because 'remember it happened to Stokesy lads'
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Next season is going to be unbearable because of this. Appeal after appeal for obstruction because 'remember it happened to Stokesy lads'
People said that about the mankad. But it never happened.
Games are on sky, not that many actually watching?
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Another dominant victory for Australia, outclassing England with bat and ball. Something like 28-3 in last 31 ODIs.
Smith, Marsh and Cummings where top draw.
England have far too many passengers in their side. All this nonsense about 'New England' where pie in the sky. Flogging around an under strength Kiwi attack boosted their egos nothing more. Hales, Woakes and Ali offer nothing.
Shame Warner and Watson got injured, but good to see Finch get recalled and hoping to see Agar get a gig at Manchester.
As for the Stokes incident, scorebook says out. Live with it.
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I really don't think Morgan is the right choice for captain
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Just watched the Stokes incident and it certainly is a line ball call... It's hard to say whether it was on purpose but if he didn't stop it with his hand he would have been run out so probably a fair result in the end even if it was controversial
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Stokes trying to protect himself No way could he have known if the fast and hard throw would have hit the stumps or not also not in the spirit of cricket but should we be surprised after all this is unsporting Austrialia.
Who is this country Austrialia you talk of? And unsporting is a big call coming from a country who used a bowling tactic to actually injure batsmen because they didn't know what to do to stop a master batsman scoring 100 after 100 against them. Using the excuse of Don Bradman was a cover because the tactic wasn't used just against him it was used against the whole team and the aim was to injure the batsmen
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What happened to Watson @Aussie In England?
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I have no issue with Stokes' dismissal. Whether he did it out of reaction or not, he stopped the ball possibly getting him out. England need to get off their high horse. I recall very well when Collingwood let our (NZ) batsman be run out when Sidebottom tripped him up.
I had no issue with the mankat either. Batsman was warned and kept on doing it.
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Smith, Marsh and Cummings where top draw.
Shame Warner and Watson got injured, but good to see Finch get recalled and hoping to see Agar get a gig at Manchester.
Marsh is definitely not top draw, he's very average.
Best thing for Oz is that Watson is out, he's absolute rubbish. Why does he keep getting opportunities.
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Umpires made the decision not the Aussies, same as any other appeal, if it's out it's out. Plenty of things can be put down to split second decisions, not sure what the fuss is he had to throw his hand out to get anywhere near the ball.
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What happened to Watson @Aussie In England?
He strained his calf, and Warner broke his thumb. Wonder who opens with Burns now? Wade and Finch would have to be at the top of the list.
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Did the third umpire really do his due diligence in determining Stokes' intent ( deliberate) blocking of the throw? I think not. He didn't replay the action in normal speed. He didn't consider the distance between the thrower and the batter. What is done is done but this was a decision made in haste. 3rd umpires need better training in handling these kind of incidents.
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Did the third umpire really do his due diligence in determining Stokes' intent ( deliberate) blocking of the throw? I think not. He didn't replay the action in normal speed. He didn't consider the distance between the thrower and the batter. What is done is done but this was a decision made in haste. 3rd umpires need better training in handling these kind of incidents.
How much more training can international umpires have?
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Did the third umpire really do his due diligence in determining Stokes' intent ( deliberate) blocking of the throw? I think not. He didn't replay the action in normal speed. He didn't consider the distance between the thrower and the batter. What is done is done but this was a decision made in haste. 3rd umpires need better training in handling these kind of incidents.
Stokes had enough time to completely pull his body out of the way, but left his hand up. I would agree with you if Stokes had been pulling his arm out of the way but he just hung it out. He was gone for all money if he didn't block that. Not that it really matters in teh course of the game, Stokes has been in rubbish form with the willow. This debate about the dismissal is just clouding the real problems with England in ODIs, once again the bowling at the death got carted. Apart from Woakes who really bowled well, England need to find a bowler who can bowl to a field and mix it up.
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Agreed - hand or no hand, we were still about 60 runs off the pace and well beaten.
However, I'm not unduly concerned, this is a young side learning the ropes against a pretty strong Aussie side. What we need is more consistency - Buttler and Stockes need to make more of their obvious batting talent, and one of the seamersneeds to start getting cunning in the middle overs.
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I'm gonna ignore the stokes malarkey as it was a non incident in my book. Time to Move on and all that. Nothing's gonna change and I doubt it will happen in this way for a long time.
2 games in. And roy > hales. Roy looks good composed and plays some proper shots. Any chance they will soon be calling for his promotion to test over hales??
Maybe if he scores runs in div 1 next season atleast.
England need Willey in there somewhere.
And although this side is far superior to the side in the wc, I think the two games so far has showed we are still very reliant on root to rotate the strike and keep the board ticking in the middle overs.
Amusingly sky have just said is I went to hit send "do you think Roy could open in tests?"
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I have no issue with Stokes' dismissal. Whether he did it out of reaction or not, he stopped the ball possibly getting him out. England need to get off their high horse. I recall very well when Collingwood let our (NZ) batsman be run out when Sidebottom tripped him up.
Which he later apologised for and said he had made the wrong decision (think it was an ODI that England lost, so maybe it was easier to come clean).
I've only seen it once or twice on youtube but I think Stokes was unlucky, but didn't help himself with how he tried to dive back. I think it's nearly impossible in realtime to say he did that on purpose and that's my main issue with the umpires. I don't think common sense was applied at all.
Should the aussies of appealled or withdrawn it? Depends who you support.
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Who is this country Austrialia you talk of? And unsporting is a big call coming from a country who used a bowling tactic to actually injure batsmen because they didn't know what to do to stop a master batsman scoring 100 after 100 against them. Using the excuse of Don Bradman was a cover because the tactic wasn't used just against him it was used against the whole team and the aim was to injure the batsmen
I don't really see how you can compare the current Australian teams unsporting behaviour to England bowling a few leg stump bouncers in 1932 but there you go and lets not forget the Aussies will soon be going home after losing the Ashes.
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I'm gonna ignore the stokes malarkey as it was a non incident in my book. Time to Move on and all that. Nothing's gonna change and I doubt it will happen in this way for a long time.
2 games in. And roy > hales. Roy looks good composed and plays some proper shots. Any chance they will soon be calling for his promotion to test over hales??
Maybe if he scores runs in div 1 next season atleast.
England need Willey in there somewhere.
And although this side is far superior to the side in the wc, I think the two games so far has showed we are still very reliant on root to rotate the strike and keep the board ticking in the middle overs.
Amusingly sky have just said is I went to hit send "do you think Roy could open in tests?"
Yeah I was thinking the same watching him in the last two games, if he gets his mind right ang focuses Roy looms a class act
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Buttler "rested" for rest of odi series. Bairstow to replace.
Hmmm
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Another dominant victory for Australia, outclassing England with bat and ball. Something like 28-3 in last 31 ODIs.
Smith, Marsh and Cummings where top draw.
England have far too many passengers in their side. All this nonsense about 'New England' where pie in the sky. Flogging around an under strength Kiwi attack boosted their egos nothing more. Hales, Woakes and Ali offer nothing.
Shame Warner and Watson got injured, but good to see Finch get recalled and hoping to see Agar get a gig at Manchester.
As for the Stokes incident, scorebook says out. Live with it.
He's right regarding Woakes
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Buttler "rested" for rest of odi series. Bairstow to replace.
Hmmm
Right call thou dont you think? Bairstow really should be in the squad lets face it and buttler is looking out of sorts recently
Rested or dropped it doesnt really matter he is missing that attacking instinct lately
I know some on here think buttler is over rated but hes a highly skilled player we need to build the team around
A rest may do him good
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Buttler is a serious talent. And in there hot streak buttler is/was better than Bairstow.
But currently. Buttler can't buy a run and Bairstow is in the form off his life.
How long can you keep going into international games a batsmen down, hoping he will turn it around this game, with a very very suitable alternative in the form of his life waiting???
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Right decision to rest Buttler now has he looks hesitant at the crease maybe lacking in confidence
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I rate Buttler very highly but this is the right decision in my eyes. Buttler is struggling for form and has played every game for England in all 3 formats over the last 12 months (bar one or two i think) hopefully he'll benefit from the rest.
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guessing the selectors don't see billings as a keeper
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Bairstow has been on form and Buttler (and Billings) have not been doing it at International level.
I am also hopeful that Buttler will get him form back, so get him back at County level and let him find his form!
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Reasonable call to give Buttler a break I think. Poor Sam Billings though, imagine how you'd feel if someone got promoted ahead of you from outside the squad twice!
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Good decision made by the selectors regarding Buttler. Has the potential to be one of the best ODI players England have had but can't seem to buy a run atm. Bairstow also deserves a chance due to his recent performances but i think Buttler will return a better player imo
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From afar buttler just seems out of sorts. He'll turn in around at some stage but if bairstow performs might find it hard to get straight back in.
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Aussies have called up Peter Hanscomb to replace Shane DRS Watson and John Hastings to replace Nathan Coulter-Nile! Finch in for Warner too! They've just brought people in already in the country really!
Brilliant news for my Durham team with an already depleted bowling attack!
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Reasonable call to give Buttler a break I think. Poor Sam Billings though, imagine how you'd feel if someone got promoted ahead of you from outside the squad twice!
You can argue that Bairstow was unlucky to be left out in the first place. He scored a match winning knock and kept wicket as a replacement for Buttler, so he was the logical replacement. I don't think you pick a backup keeper for 5 home ODI's when you have a pool of players outside the squad ready to step.
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I want him to do well The problem with Baistow is he can't be relied on upto now he's failed more often than he's been successful.
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I want him to do well The problem with Baistow is he can't be relied on upto now he's failed more often than he's been successful.
He averages 40 in ODI but he's only played a handful of games.
He hasn't had the same run and backing in test matches that others have had to truly show whether he is good enough.
He has improved massively on the player he was two years ago too.
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He seems to be an easy man to drop. In a way Taylor has been/ is too!
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Disappointed to see Hales and Butler not performing on the international level. I would like to see Taylor score some big runs with Root back in the side.
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He averages 40 in ODI but he's only played a handful of games.
He hasn't had the same run and backing in test matches that others have had to truly show whether he is good enough.
He has improved massively on the player he was two years ago too.
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Your correct with regard to Bairstow not having a prolong run but his average of 40 iAs been boosted due to a couple of match winning not outs once these are removed his average drops.
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Klinger has to be a bit unlucky not to be called into the Aussie squad. He's been in some great form.
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Your correct with regard to Bairstow not having a prolong run but his average of 40 is due to a couple of match winning not outs
Inflating your average with match winning red ink, what a Liberty!
Makes you wonder about the (in)competency of the selectors a bit... ???
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Inflating your average with match winning red ink, what a Liberty!
Makes you wonder about the (in)competency of the selectors a bit... ???
Just like Bradman then. He had one 'not out' in every 10 innings, boosting his average :)
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Just like Bradman then. He had one 'not out' in every 10 innings, boosting his average :)
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Had nothing to do with his multiple 100's, 200's and 300's ???
Forum comment of the year!!!!!
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Had nothing to do with his multiple 100's, 200's and 300's ???
Forum comment of the year!!!!!
Nope. He was just bumping his average up against weak bowling attacks :)
I would have hoped the smiley face at the end of my comments let people know it was a joke.
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Nope. He was just bumping his average up against weak bowling attacks :)
I would have hoped the smiley face at the end of my comments let people know it was a joke.
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Weak bowling attacks.. Hmm some things never change ;)
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Bairstow in, buttler out......no Willey! Grrr
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WE LIKE ROY
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Hales has fluffed his lines once again.
Will be moeen for definately opening in tests in the uae.
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why do we doubt Roy on this forum?
give this bloke a chance he plays no fear cricket and has got all the shots....
sometimes it wont work but he not looking overawed against the worlds best attack
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why do we doubt Roy on this forum?
give this bloke a chance he plays no fear cricket and has got all the shots....
sometimes it wont work but he not looking overawed against the worlds best attack
Roy has changed my mind recently, I always considered Hales to be the better of the two openers but this series I've gained a lot of respect for Roy, looks calm, collected and has the big shots when needed too, shame he hasn't kicked on to a really big score yet but I'm now confident he will sooner rather than later.
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Roy Taylor and Morgan all making 50s so far
Taylor looks to be wearing the 2016 power bow gloves to. Dont look too bad in real life.
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Roy has changed my mind recently, I always considered Hales to be the better of the two openers but this series I've gained a lot of respect for Roy, looks calm, collected and has the big shots when needed too, shame he hasn't kicked on to a really big score yet but I'm now confident he will sooner rather than later.
I think England are hanging their hopes on Hales opening in the UAE. It might work out there i'm just not sure.
Hate to put a downer on the guy before he has had a chance but not many players can really take apart quality bowling-you need something to fall back on when it gets tough....
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Oh dear - sounds like we are going into Test match mode!
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Great knock from Taylor
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Good choice from England to send Plunkett in next, hopefully it pays off.
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We still know how to capitulate fantastically then.
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Good choice from England to send Plunkett in next, hopefully it pays off.
Commentators curse!!
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oops...
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No acceleration at all in the last 15 overs. Really poor stuff!
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Taylor batted well and needed others to tee off round him, but it didn't happen.
Why.
Because the aussies(cummins in particular) have bowled well.
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300 is plenty, England will win easy
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Caaaaatttttcccccchhhhh!!!!!!!!! FINN
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You would not of seen a six foot five bowler do that 'back in the day'
Haha!!
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NO ROY NO PARTY
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You would not of seen a six foot five bowler do that 'back in the day'
Haha!!
Didn't Joel Garner take screamers at gully?
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Didn't Joel Garner take screamers at gully?
Um..no i dont think so! He was a big unit indeed :)
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I found the ODI Boring, first side racks up big runs... Second side fails miserably. Boring
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Must you always be so irrepressibly cheerful? It's really annoying!
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Um..no i dont think so! He was a big unit indeed :)
Honestly, he caught flies.
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Must you always be so irrepressibly cheerful? It's really annoying!
He needs to make everyone aware he doesn't like anything but tests! God forbid if anyone manage to miss the other 800 times he's said the same thing. How would they know!!!!
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Even letting Woakes bowl couldn't lose England this one.
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Listening to the pre-match commentary this evening when I could have sworn they said, "wooden willy in!"...
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Wiley showing why he shouldn't have been dropped in the first place here!
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I can't see why Woakes got ahead of him IMO, Wiley is a far better bat and a left armer
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Was a stupid decision to drop Wiley given his swing with the new ball and death bowling, particularly after the t20!
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if bbc txt is right Willey has removed 3
who is his sponsor? :)
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LORD DAVID WILLEY
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Roy just dropped an easy'ish catch at 2nd slip low down to his right, was Maxwell as well :(
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Roy just dropped an easy'ish catch at 2nd slip low down to his right, was Maxwell as well :(
Oh Dear! Got to hope that doesn't prove too costly!!
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Oh Dear! Got to hope that doesn't prove too costly!!
Goes on to hit 2 consecutive 4's off Wiley's over, looks like a counter-punch coming from Australia
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Looks a decent deck, able to throw your hands at the bad ball with the odd one seaming and swinging. Maxwell will be accustomed to the wicket as well since playing there all season.
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those stickers on Finch's NB were a bit garish
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So Roy and Rashid have cost 60 runs so far with their drops! Well done boys!!
Catches win matches.......but I have a feeling that Roy may have dropped the match now!!
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Can't afford to drop maxwell twice. He's taking apart rashid here.
Could be a massive score for maxwell if he bats another 20 overs
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If they don't get to 360 in their innings then I'll be very shocked!
And why are we still bowling spin?? Unreal!! >:(
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I think this is the best I have seen Bailey timing the ball
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maxwell's thrown that a way big time - pointless shot
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I don't understand why he always looks so surprised when he gets out to (No Swearing Please) shots like that,
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I think we'll be chasing 280. I don't think these two are death-bowlers.
England need to use their Willey here.
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England missed Woakes ability to bowl yorkers there.
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for pity's sake why can no one bowl Yorkers
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On the plus side, it would have been 350+ if We had of given Maxwell any more chances!!
But on the minus side, we would have been chasing 250 maximum if Roy or Rashid had of held their catches!!!
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for pity's sake why can no one bowl Yorkers
In the style of the Police ... Wooooooooooooooooooakes can!
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can we swap Hales with Lyth please
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In the style of the Police ... Wooooooooooooooooooakes can!
That got me that did hahaha :D :D :D
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Taylor using the new Powerbow, looks alright on TV actually
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Taylor using the new Powerbow, looks alright on TV actually
Interesting, he'd been using the F18 previously hadn't he?
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yup..pretty full profile as well.
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Taylor using the new Powerbow, looks alright on TV actually
Agree with you. Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh now.
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Reading BBC Sport text is getting depressing these days, why are English cricket fans so fickle and one-eyed? So many texts/tweets moaning that Hales has 'never done anything in an Eng shirt' or similar. Probably the same people who wanted Trott in, then moaned about Trott... and then wanted Lyth in, then moaned about Lyth, and then wanted Hales and are now moaning about Hales. Feel sorry for anyone who doesn't immediately smash it everywhere for England these days!
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Feel sorry for hales.
Come into this odi series with a lot of pressure!
"Should be opening in test"
"Next big thing"
"This is his time"
"Time to show us"
Blah
Blah
Blah.
Let him open in he winter odis and see what can be done.
Roy and titch are on form at moment though.
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Reading BBC Sport text is getting depressing these days, why are English cricket fans so fickle and one-eyed? So many texts/tweets moaning that Hales has 'never done anything in an Eng shirt' or similar. Probably the same people who wanted Trott in, then moaned about Trott... and then wanted Lyth in, then moaned about Lyth, and then wanted Hales and are now moaning about Hales. Feel sorry for anyone who doesn't immediately smash it everywhere for England these days!
Couldn't agree more mate, I don't have Sky Sports so BBC text is my only option but the comments from some "cricket fans" are unbelievable!! The other day during the game at the Rose Bowl, someone texted in saying something along the lines of "why do people rate Rashid, economy rate of 5.9 during this game, not international standard" Now I'm sorry and I may be biased being a fan of Rashid but would you not be bloody delirious with figures of 10-4 for 59 as a leggie against the likes of Warner, Smith, Bailey and Maxwell?! Really grinds my gears like.
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yes there are some muppets out there behind the keyboards
I don't know what England will do with regard to the opening spot, Lyth looked like he was nearly there sometimes in the test matches and did get a ton against NZ.
Have to say I don't know about the rest of the forum(because this is where the real cricket knowledge is !!) but if England said they are giving Lyth the UAE series I wouldn't be too disappointed
Can't remember wanting a player in recent memory to get a score more in an England shirt. And he is a straightforward bloke too, no excuses made whatsoever.
He can clearly bat as he's the outstanding player in the Championship... :)
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yes there are some muppets out there behind the keyboards
I don't know what England will do with regard to the opening spot, Lyth looked like he was nearly there sometimes in the test matches and did get a ton against NZ.
Have to say I don't know about the rest of the forum(because this is where the real cricket knowledge is !!) but if England said they are giving Lyth the UAE series I wouldn't be too disappointed
Can't remember wanting a player in recent memory to get a score more in an England shirt. And he is a straightforward bloke too, no excuses made whatsoever.
He can clearly bat as he's the outstanding player in the Championship... :)
Whoever they choose would surely have to open in SA as well regardless of performances in the UAE as surely they don't want some one debuting against Steyn and co?..
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Couldn't agree more mate, I don't have Sky Sports so BBC text is my only option but the comments from some "cricket fans" are unbelievable!! The other day during the game at the Rose Bowl, someone texted in saying something along the lines of "why do people rate Rashid, economy rate of 5.9 during this game, not international standard" Now I'm sorry and I may be biased being a fan of Rashid but would you not be bloody delirious with figures of 10-4 for 59 as a leggie against the likes of Warner, Smith, Bailey and Maxwell?! Really grinds my gears like.
Try the over by over on the Grauniad.
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Whoever they choose would surely have to open in SA as well regardless of performances in the UAE as surely they don't want some one debuting against Steyn and co?..
yes...exactly.it's a fairly long tour in the UAE so the new opener would need all over that at the very least.
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Back to today.
Roys tame end seem to dry up the runs. And titch has no followed. Will stokes show up? Or are we heading the same way as other games.
Bat first and win!
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not sure why stokes comes in ahead of Bairstow, here's hoping i'm wrong though as I'd love Stokes to stick it to the aus
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I was reading the BBC Commentary and just thinking to myself "Isn't it nice that Benny Boy is batting well and will silence a few of his critics with a score here." :(
Lets hope the other Ginge in the side can do a job now
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Lets hope the other Ginge in the side can do a job now
Just need anyone to stick around with Morgan. He's playing a really classy innings so far, well built.
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Morgs is on fire in this series, I'm going to ask my club for a month off in August too
prepping myself for them to say :'bye'
:)
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Catch from maxwell!! Captain Morgan goes to the bar.
Slugger Ali in to take us to victory???
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number 2 ginge will lead us home
no one cares he does actually look like Ronald Macdonald
come on Jonny!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Catch from maxwell!! Captain Morgan goes
It was going to take something special to get Morgan out, seeing them like pumpkins these days. Shaping up to be a good finish. Right in to the tail so you never know ;)
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If that's classed as legal. WHAT A CATCH!!!! maxwell again
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is that legal? Similar situation in the big bash
Does the fielder not have to touch back in the field after going beyond the boundary?
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One man machine Maxwell, 85 with the willow, 2 wickets and two incredible catches. Single handedly keeping Aus in it.
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is that legal? Similar situation in the big bash
Does the fielder not have to touch back in the field after going beyond the boundary?
No, fielder just has to start inside the boundary.
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is that legal? Similar situation in the big bash
Does the fielder not have to touch back in the field after going beyond the boundary?
I'm pretty sure that is the rule that it was recently changed to. But two things.
1 we all know umps don't know the rules
2 who cares it was a great catch. I'm gonna choose to admire it!
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England luck another odi win and bring it back to 2-2 1 game left.
Willey hit that into the centre off Leeds!! Willowwwwwwwwww
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As an Australian fan it's really disappointing put such a rubbish XI on the field, seriously Pattinson & Hastings? while Starc gets 'rested'.
Great chase from England, especially well set up by Morgan.
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Good win. Nice to see a bit of flexibility in the batting order too. Another step away from rigidity in the England setup.
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Could be a series win with Root and Broad away on their peddilos :)
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In the style of the Police ... Wooooooooooooooooooakes can!
But he can't take wickets where as Willey and plunkett are both match winners with both bat and ball.
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Terrible umpiring
Missing leg missed the first ball should have been byes
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Terrible umpiring
Missing leg missed the first ball should have been byes
Yep piss poor umpiring, and Alex hales partly to blame, is he saving a review for himself?
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More evidence that Hales is about as dim as they come.
Horror first over from the umpire too.
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You would think Hales would help him review that,i wouldnt of hit another set!
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Shocking umpiring, had wade caught that he'd have given three wright not outs in an over!
Aussies paid him?
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I think it's a good job he had a stem guard there!
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Never good to see a batsman hurt. Seems to be ok but worthwhile he gets checked out. Good bouncer though
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Are we gonna get 100 at this rate?
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Hopefully Morgan is ok but he is very vulnerable to the short ball isn't he.... Not the first time he has taken his eyes off the ball and been hit
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Are we gonna get 100 at this rate?
If Morgan comes back there is a chance, but with Stokes gone he would have to bat with the tail. Aussies in control.
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If Morgan comes back there is a chance, but with Stokes gone he would have to bat with the tail. Aussies in control.
A few streaky 4's have helped the cause
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100 up after Wood his two very up'ish shots, 300 on the cards now :D
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100 up after Wood his two very up'ish shots, 300 on the cards now :D
Well, Wood has never been dismissed for less than 150 in ODIs ;)
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Nice to see Hunts County being used by Topley
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What's the story with bairstow having some tape on both keeping gloves?
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ICC regs.
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Nice to see Finchy in good nick. I hope to see him in Test cricket, opening alongside Warner.
That Starc bouncer to Morgan stayed flat? What happened there? Morgan misjudged it? Saw the highlights reel, they didn't show/talk much about the delivery.
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Nice to see Hunts County being used by Topley
Not sure it's entirely good product placement on their part. And the last Hunts County sponsored player to wear an England shirt was Monty Panesar!
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Charlotte Edwards and Lydia Greenaway before they moved to NB and Kook?
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Nice to see Finchy in good nick. I hope to see him in Test cricket, opening alongside Warner.
That Starc bouncer to Morgan stayed flat? What happened there? Morgan misjudged it? Saw the highlights reel, they didn't show/talk much about the delivery.
They only showed 1 quick replay here, I think they were worried it was more serious. He took his eye off the ball plain and simple, the actual delivery did nothing out of the ordinary.
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Here's a pic of bairstow's gloves. Why the tape? Its on both gloves.
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q564/dougydee1/487296668_zpsnhuzzvkq.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/dougydee1/media/487296668_zpsnhuzzvkq.jpg.html)
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Can someone tell Bairstow you are allowed to bring your bat down straight.