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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Buzz on September 14, 2015, 07:03:10 PM
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The squad is announced tomorrow but as far as I can tell it will be... (not what I would pick but I am not a selector)
Cook
Compton
Bell
Lyth or Taylor - I haven't had the scoop on that yet
Roooooooot
Ali
Stokes
Buttler
Bairstow
Ansari
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
Wood
Plunkett
the Lions tour could be interesting - not sure if that is announced too, but expect Hales, Lees (Lions captain), Roy, Davies, Tom Curran (Sam is at School so unlikely to be going) and the rest of the yorkshire team!!
Hales appears to have lost out on the chance after a rubbish ODI series and being found wanting against proper pace. I am totally gutted for him.
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Guardian reporting that Alex Hales will replace Adam Lyth and James Taylor will replace Gary Ballance...
I just came to post that link, looks like I was too slow!
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/14/alex-hales-england-test-squad-pakistan-adam-lyth (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/sep/14/alex-hales-england-test-squad-pakistan-adam-lyth)
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Compton? Are we sure...that would be a surprise-he didnt get a long enough run last tim and yes i know him and cook dont rattle the score along but techinically he is sound
Im sorry for all Hales fans but he is not a test opener.
If its not Hales ...then Lyth again.
I cant think of anyone else in county cricket to pick up top.
Lyth scores freely he just needs tightening up at the top level
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Mark Stoneman probably falls in that needs tightening up at the top level bracket too. But he probably needs more tightening than Lyth. Lyth deserves to go to UAE for me.
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I would be pleased to see Compton back in and given a run of games.
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I hope Craig Miles gets a lions spot.
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Hales was poor in the odi series and it may or should have cost him.
But.
Uae may be more suited to him, he could do a decent job, which could give him confidence to go out to South Africa and make a half decent crack off it.
Not saying for a second that he will be able to slap steyn and co about, but with the bad stats the other openers have done recently, he only needs a below average to average series against the world no1 test side to stand out.
Which could get him the job till the next ashes. And being in the squad constantly may mean he is better against the Aussies next time.
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I really hope I am wrong about Hales - I think he is a superstar, but watching him against cummings was like watching a rabbit in headlights. Roy was (in Alex Tudor speak) #differentgravy.
I haven't got Finn in my squad - above, an omission from my source - sorry about that, he may be on the trip too.
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I agree. Roy looked to have so much time.
And the flamingo shot he produced just showed the influence off him who can't be named.......
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I'd be very surprised if Compton was recalled.England are changing,and for the better,test cricket moves on faster in most places around the world...exceptional players have scored faster and played more agressively.So Hales fits that bill...but it was Roy who was going after it in the one dayers.
It doesnt solve the openers position but Morgan is a very good player of spin bowling for the tour
But Bell would need to open to fit him in...
Theres Taylor too but again Bell to move up-or Ali just for this tour,not against SA.
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I wonder if Roy would be worth a risk for if Lyth has a poor first game? I know it's not much of an indicator but (even form aside) his general technique seemed better than Hales in the ODI's. I do wonder if he'd be a better test player in the "he who shall not be named" role at 4 though rather than opening?
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/920593.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/920593.html)
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We seem to have a lot of middle order players and short on openers.maybe that reflects how the modern game has gone cos 'back in the day' we often played 3 openers regularly.
Roy is a better player imo but its a marginal call from lyth/roy/hales
Up till the one dayers no one really had Roy as a test player
Im not convinced they will leave Lyth out myself. And if they do take him he has to play.
Whoever is picking that side is prob stratching their head right now! :)
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Let next season go by and then I think we will see Tom Abell pushing very hard for the opening birth. Very highly rated
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No major shocks in the squads
Test -Alastair Cook (Essex) captain Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)James Anderson (Lancashire)Zafar Ansari (Surrey)Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire)Ian Bell (Warwickshire)Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)Jos Buttler (Lancashire)Steven Finn (Middlesex)Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire)Liam Plunkett (Yorkshire)Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)Joe Root (Yorkshire)Ben Stokes (Durham)James Taylor (Nottinghamshire)Mark Wood (Durham)
One-Day International Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) captainMoeen Ali (Worcestershire)Jonny Bairstow (Yorkshire)Sam Billings (Kent)Jos Buttler (Lancashire)Steven Finn (Middlesex)Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire)Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)Joe Root (Yorkshire)Jason Roy (Surrey)James Taylor (Nottinghamshire)Reece Topley (Essex)David Willey (Northamptonshire)Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)Mark Wood (Durham)
T20 International SquadEoin Morgan (Middlesex) captainMoeen Ali (Worcestershire)Sam Billings (Kent)Jos Buttler (Lancashire)Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire)Chris Jordan (Sussex)Stephen Parry (Lancashire)Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)Joe Root (Yorkshire)Jason Roy (Surrey)Reece Topley (Essex)James Vince (Hampshire)David Willey (Northamptonshire)Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)Mark Wood (Durham)
Colly and Mahela the to travel as batting consultants.
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Hales to open then by the looks of it. Understand they are resting Stokes as he plays all formats but given there is a t20 world cup soon you'd think they would want to play as much of the format as possible in the build up
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Hales and ansari in for lyth I see. Interesting
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Guessing that means Hales or Ansari to open with Captain Cook.
Wonder who will make way for Rashid (if he plays?) Bell or Bairstow maybe?
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Im guessing Bairstow and Taylor are fighting for the same spot or both may be dropped altogether to accommodate Rashid.
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Cook
Ansari/Hales
Bell
Root
Taylor
Ali
Buttler/Bairstow
Rashid
Broad
Finn/Wood
Anderson
Hales most likely to get the first try and then replaced by Ansari to get an extra spinner in.
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for what it is worth I would pick the below as my team - as I have been saying for a while
Cook, Hales, Bell, Roooooooot, Ali, Stokes, Buttler, Ansari, Rashid, Broad, Anderson
you need the 3 spinners because Ansari will do a holding role with Moeen - Rashid bowls too many pies to be a consistent bowler. He will take wickets but would be a nightmare for a skipper from time to time.
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Ansari at 8, Buzz?
Isn't he an opening batsman who bowls, rather than a frontline spinner?
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what happened to the Moeen opens plan?
Cook
Ali
Bell
Rooooooot
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Rashid
Broad
Wood/Finn
Anderson
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Cook
Hales
Bell
Root
Stokes
Ali
buttler
Rashid
Broad
Finn
Anderson
Is how I think they line up
How is line them up
Cook
Hales
Taylor
Root
Stokes
Ali
Bairstow
Rashid
Finn
Broad
Anderson
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nope he is a front line spinner who got asked to open the batting. He is very good at batting long periods of time. Not the same as an opening batsman in my view and will benefit from playing in the middle order for Surrey.
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Ansari won't open for England in the immediate future
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Cook
Ansari/Hales
Bell
Root
Taylor
Ali
Buttler/Bairstow
Rashid
Broad
Finn/Wood
Anderson
Hales most likely to get the first try and then replaced by Ansari to get an extra spinner in.
No stokes?
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looks like it's all the eggs in the Hales basket.
I hope he takes his chance I really do, I just can't see it long term working.
I hope i'm wrong.
Ballance faces a long road back I would say now.....
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looking at it positively that Hales has been picked, he'l go to UAE, get found out majorly, and then england will hopefully never pick him in any form again
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To me it's obvious:-
Cook
Ali
Bell
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ansari
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
3 spinners, 3 seamers and plenty of batting (though maybe not quality). Lyth opened the door for Ali. Hales ODI showing has maybe set him back a little, though not a proper form guide for red ball cricket. I guess it will depend how Bairstow starts in the UAE as to whether Hales gets a go.
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I think seniorplayer pointed out on another post.....i'd be a bit worried the spinners get to Bairstow, he has a fault playing across the line.last time in UAE lbw's were off the scale.
It don't matter of course if your launching them into the stands but technical faults have shown up over the years, nowt different in todays game....
again...hope i'm wrong. England may opt for Taylor in the middle anyway.... :)
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I think Bairstow is the most in danger of losing his spot in the conditions but they'll keep to the ashes winning side I suspect. Being a good player of spin is vital, so taylor might get the nod if it's a like for like swap or alternatively Hales if Ali get's shuffled again.
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I think Bairstow is the most in danger of losing his spot in the conditions but they'll keep to the ashes winning side I suspect. Being a good player of spin is vital, so taylor might get the nod if it's a like for like swap or alternatively Hales if Ali get's shuffled again.
Anyone got Mr Lyth's number? They forgot to put him in the squad!
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Anyone got Mr Lyth's number? They forgot to put him in the squad!
Feel a bit sorry for Lyth, but his results had it coming really. He was given his deserved shot, but came up short this time. I'm sure he'll get a load back in County Cricket and be possibly back again at some point.
I'm gutted Ballance hasn't been brought back in the squad. Has an international average of 47+ and averaged only 2 runs less per innings than Ian Bell against the Aussies.
Still not sure on Hales, but I say give him a shot and see if he sinks or swims.
It's about time Rashid was given a run as the second spinner. Some say he bowls too many loose deliveries but you only get better by playing against better opponents.
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I would have taken Hales for the shorter formats and taken Lyth for the longer format!
Lyth has been on great form at County level and think he deserves a slightly longer go of it! Hales didn't look good against the Aussies and yet they seem willing to give him a shot?
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I would have taken Hales for the shorter formats and taken Lyth for the longer format!
Lyth has been on great form at County level and think he deserves a slightly longer go of it! Hales didn't look good against the Aussies and yet they seem willing to give him a shot?
Unless he is going more for "experience" and Ali or Root might open. Ansari even?
Cook
Ansari
Bell
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Buttler
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
3 seamers, 4 spinners...??
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I would have taken Hales for the shorter formats and taken Lyth for the longer format!
Lyth has been on great form at County level and think he deserves a slightly longer go of it! Hales didn't look good against the Aussies and yet they seem willing to give him a shot?
Just played away from his body again and nicked yet another half volley to slip, first ball of the innings!
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No stokes?
If he's that in need of being rested in the odi and t20 games (8 days of playing) it's stupid to put him in the test side (15 days of playing) isn't it?
Especially as taking him out for moeen answers how to get Rashid and Ali into the 11.
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Forgot Root isn't a bad spinner. Handy when Ali goes through one of his dodgy spells and needs taking off.
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Just played away from his body again and nicked yet another half volley to slip, first ball of the innings!
Ok - maybe his form dipped at the wrong time.
Ignore me :(
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Ok - maybe his form dipped at the wrong time.
Ignore me :(
His form has been good since the end of the Ashes. You can forgive him for being a little off in the concentration stakes today, surely?
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Why do so many people seem to think we need 6 bowlers? Don't see it even being realistic to use that many properly, plus if England were seriously planning on using 3 spinners they would have taken a 4th as backup. Not hard to get Ali and Rashid in the same side - take a seamer out. If we need two spinners, we obviously don't need 4 seamers at the same time. Interesting that there's 5 quicks in the squad though.
Would be amazed if the team is much different from:
Cook
Hales
Bell
Root
Taylor/Bairstow (I'd pick Titch)
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Rashid
Broad
Anderson
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Its a bit of a confused squad for me - Lyth, whilst I would have kept him, can have few complaints but Hales is not the man to replace him. I'm a bit surprised about Ballance - his technique is perfect for those pitches.
What would I do? Well, after many permutations of the squad I think it'd be:
Cook
Ali
Bell
Root
Taylor
Bairstow (w)
Stokes
Rashid
Wood/Plunkett
Broad
Anderson
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EPP & Lions
England Performance Programme 2015-2016
Batting and spin camp in Dubai, 11th November – 1st December
Name
County
Zafar Ansari
Surrey
Danny Briggs
Hampshire
Joe Clarke
Worcestershire
Daniel Bell-Drummond
Kent
Ben Foakes
Surrey
Lewis Gregory
Somerset
Chris Jordan
Sussex
Dawid Malan
Middlesex
Stephen Parry
Lancashire
Tom Westley
Essex
Ross Whiteley
Worcestershire
James Vince
Hampshire
Fast bowlers camp in Potchefstroom, South Africa, 11th – 23rd November followed by Dubai 24th November – 1st December
Name
County
Jake Ball
Nottinghamshire
Craig Miles
Gloucestershire
Tymal Mills
Sussex
Craig Overton
Somerset
Jamie Overton
Somerset
Olly Stone
Northamptonshire
England Lions v Pakistan ‘A’ Twenty20 squad, Dubai 1st – 17th December
Name
County
Zafar Ansari
Surrey
Jake Ball
Nottinghamshire
Sam Billings
Kent
Joe Clarke
Worcestershire
Daniel Bell-Drummond
Kent
Ben Foakes
Surrey
Lewis Gregory
Somerset
Chris Jordan
Sussex
Dawid Malan
Middlesex
Tymal Mills
Sussex
Stephen Parry
Lancashire
Reece Topley
Essex
Tom Westley
Essex
David Willey
Northamptonshire
Ross Whiteley
Worcestershire
James Vince (captain)
Hampshire
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Looks like a fair enough 3 squads to me. Not sure why Lewis Gregory & Chris Jordan are in the Spin & Batting Group ???
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Typo I suspect.
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hilariously, that's three England squads without a single Yorkshire player.
No Lees, Lyth, Balance, Leaning in the batting group. No Matt Fisher in the pace bowling.
Hopefully this is a new trend and we have a full squad to pick from next year!
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Seems Foakes has been picked for his keeping - Rory Burns is a better player by miles at Surrey.
really don't understand why he and Tom Curran don't feature.
Lees should have been on the Lions tour too, probably as Captain. bonkers he hasn't been selected.
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Tom Curran is a good and honest county bowler, but top knot aside, nothing out of the ordinary.
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Seems Foakes has been picked for his keeping - Rory Burns is a better player by miles at Surrey.
really don't understand why he and Tom Curran don't feature.
Lees should have been on the Lions tour too, probably as Captain. bonkers he hasn't been selected.
Maybe England are thinking long term, and want to have a side with Stokes, Woakes and Foakes.
Sorry, I'll get my coat... :-[
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I sincerely hope that Anasari recovers in time for the tour, as I think it's a great opportunity for him.
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hilariously, that's three England squads without a single Yorkshire player.
No Lees, Lyth, Balance, Leaning in the batting group. No Matt Fisher in the pace bowling.
Hopefully this is a new trend and we have a full squad to pick from next year!
David Willey ....... ;)
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Samit Patel called up to replace Ansari. Not so sure about that myself...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/34339256 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/34339256)
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Samit Patel called up to replace Ansari. Not so sure about that myself...
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/34339256[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/34339256[/url])
We could carry on Fattus's thread about a lack of spinners in this Country! super talented guy Samit but we should be looking to the future
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Bit of bad timing for Ansari really! Hell of a bad time to get an injury but he will (hopefully) get his chance!!
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Samit has a batting average of 15 and a bit and a bowling average of nearly 65 in tests.
I suppose he is getting a free trip to the UAE to carry the drinks though...
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I suppose he is getting a free trip to the UAE to carry the drinks though...
Nice little winter holiday!
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We could carry on Fattus's thread about a lack of spinners in this Country! super talented guy Samit but we should be looking to the future
He is only 30 to be fair. Not sure hes the answer but we certainly shouldnt be discarding spinners at 30, Ajmal didnt start for Pakistan until 34 and he had a good career!
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He is only 30 to be fair. Not sure hes the answer but we certainly shouldnt be discarding spinners at 30, Ajmal didnt start for Pakistan until 34 and he had a good career!
fair point but Patel has been in and around the England set up for more than 5 years, the guy is seriously talented but has never fully committed to what is required-that's well documented.
I hope he plays to be honest, but it's hard to see SP being long term.....this Ansari guy is very highly rated, they will get him in as soon as they can I would think-lots of praise being heaped on this young guy.
Ajmal is very different, let's be frank, he threw it up till his action was remodelled, not surprised he was successful even with a late start...
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Yasir Shah got his breakthrough series at (I think) 30! In fairness Samit is rumoured to have done a lot of work on his bowling and to have improved bigtime this year, plus he covers a batting spot as well as third spinner
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Looks like my tongue in cheek comment I made elsewhere might have been right! I said Curran should only go away if he has a haircut...... Well he's tweeted his topknot is getting chopped off!
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As a third spinner is he really any worse than Tredwell or Batty would have been?
Wow, ours stocks are bare...