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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: leeroy_acko on December 29, 2009, 02:03:11 PM
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Proper old school style test match!
How good is Swann?!!
Please to see Cook/ Bell get some too.
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Get in Swanny, and Broad is Making LEicester proud.
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Why doesn't Broad pitch it up more often? Clearly when he does he's half decent, so why does he so often insist with pinging them in short?
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He still thinks he's a bang-it-in type of bowler, but yeah he's proven he's much better pitched up, will be something more mentally he will have to work out. Also it's difficult to just change it, if that is his natural length it will take time to adjust
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Swann's a journey man. If I got out to him I'd be devastated.
I mean he's hardly fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Murali, Harbhajan, Mendis. Whom are the cream of crop of off spinners.
Swann has had remarkable success against all countries, as for Mendis- hes suffering from second season syndrome. Murali was world class but has lost fizz, Harbhajan is still a very very good bowler imo.
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Swann's a journey man. If I got out to him I'd be devastated.
I mean he's hardly fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Murali, Harbhajan, Mendis. Whom are the cream of crop of off spinners.
Who ever mentioned him with the likes of Murali etc...?
Nice to see england ripping through the south african batsman though!!
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Most people are aware that the asian based teams supply a larger quanity of spinners, So its a simple rule of thumb that some will turn out to be world class,
Thats the same saying England have loads of quality seamers in comparison to Pakistan who struggle to bowl teams out...
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Swann's had decent success against a clueless Windies side. 26 wickets @ 22.15. And is currently having a decent time against S.Africa, who are renown for being pretty poor players of spin.
Against India, on a square turner at Chennai, he was woeful. Also 2 Tests vs India, 8 wickets @ 40 on spinners pitches. Averages 40 vs Australia as well.
I wouldn't rule out Mendis just yet. India got revenge against him. He would still tear most non Asian sides apart.
Im sorry he outbowled both Mishra and Harbhajan on that tour......
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Sorry pal, I'm not Pakistani, but they have produced some of the best quick bowlers the world has ever seen. Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Shoaib Akhtar etc. Any side in the world would love any of those 4.
Theyre struggling to bowl many teams out at the moment, although they have two potential high class fast bowlers in Aamer and Asif, with Anwar Ali making progress. We have Onions, Anderson and Broad, who are currently better bowlers than the two leading Pakistani quicks imo.
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You must've been watching a different series to me pal. Harbhajan Singh 8 wickets @ 35. Not world class but he was the best spinner on display.
In the ODI's, Harbhajan Singh 7 wickets @ 30.28. and a decent economy of 5.04 Swann 4 wickets @ 31 but a shocking economy for 6.52
Ok lets face it, Swann isnt a world class ODI bowler yet, and that wasnt the point of the topic making it almost irrelevant. Mishra 6 wickets at 42.66, Harbhajan is world class and he can really only match swanns figures, from what i saw of the SL series he didnt bag that many wickets (13 at 41), Swann is dominating every side he faces, and their spinners. Besides on his first tour he was almost half the bowler he is now, with his new found confidence and without debut test match nerves.
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Come on now, Asif gets his wicket @ 23. That is world class. Aamer is very young and raw, but he could be the new (stay it quietly)Wasim Akram. Their third seamer is an issue, but they have some decent bowlers like Gul, Tanvir, Shoaib's still around somewhere.
Broad and Anderson get their wickets @ 35's and they play their home matches on seaming wickets. Onions is a poor man's Asif in all fairness. Anyway the Pakistani's will be in England in 2010 so we'll see who's attack is better.
Onions is a poor mans Asif, are you mad? Sorry England are bowling sides out. Pakistan are yet to do this in Aus! Aamer is potentially class, potentially - lets face it he too could face second season syndrome (doubt this though). Pakistan have 2 potential world class seamers, england have 3.
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The proof of the pudding is that SA are 70 odd for 6, and also failed in the first innings!!!
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With regards to the recently concluded India vs Sri Lanka series, did you see the pitches? At times they where flatter then the M25. 13 @ 41 is pretty poor. but the pitches didn't turn. Murali didn't exactly set the world on fire either.
Swann would never dominate India. If Warne couldn't, then there's no chance of Swann doing so.
He doesnt need to dominate India, just needs to match or better the 'world class' spinners india are renowned for.
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Maybe not, but you dont typically beat India with spin, you would look to your swing bowlers with conventional and reverse swing
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Ok lets face it, Swann isnt a world class ODI bowler yet, and that wasnt the point of the topic making it almost irrelevant. Mishra 6 wickets at 42.66, Harbhajan is world class and he can really only match swanns figures, from what i saw of the SL series he didnt bag that many wickets (13 at 41), Swann is dominating every side he faces, and their spinners. Besides on his first tour he was almost half the bowler he is now, with his new found confidence and without debut test match nerves.
I'd like to point out Swann is an awesome batsman too
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2007 attack was a lot different I think.
Anyway, how are we on this- I wanted to talk about the 2nd test! We are beating the number 1 team in the world by miles!!
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Whats this crap about Pakistan not bowling sides out? In the recently concluded series vs New Zealand, Pakistan took 50 out of 60 wickets. 5 times bowling out New Zealand.
Asif is already world class, not potential. He has 70 odd wickets @ 23. Aamer and Gul are also potentially world class.
Anderson is 27 and hasn't done too much yet. Onions is also 27 and isn't the most threatening bowler in the world. Broad blows hot and cold.
It isnt c**p, they hardly look potent without Asif/Aamer, Many of those wickets were taken by Kaneria (why he isnt playing atm against Aus i have no idea). All i can say is that england have sa 70-6 on a flattish pitch, proof is in the pudding as they say. Gul has had his day imo, i hope he proves me wrong.
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Kaneria is injured but he'll be back for the second Test. The wicket at the MCG is totally different to the one in Durban. MCG is very flat.
Mind you, Pakistan's attack (barring Asif) had never played a Test in Australia prior to this match, so come Sydney they'll be in better shape.
So we come back to Swann, Broad, Onions etc....... all of whom have never played a test match into south africa before, for them to perform and bowl the way they have shows the quality of their character and promise they give to english cricket. Aamer is certainly one for the future. I havent seen much of Asif recently, as far as ive concerned he needs to prove his class again as he has been out for a while for many different reasons.
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Not to make you boys jealous, but I am just packing my bags to go to the sydney test next week! I will let you know once I have seen them in the flesh!
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Not to make you boys jealous, but I am just packing my bags to go to the sydney test next week! I will let you know once I have seen them in the flesh!
You lucky so and so, hope all goes well! Maybe you could review the test :P
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Just planning my day now- I am going to pop in to GCCC before play starts. I saw they are selling a load of genuine Kook and Puma and adidas bat stickers for $30 each, so might fill up on those and flog a few to you chaps.
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Hmmmm, very jealous!!!
Could of planned a trip to visit Julian and get a bat made up! Anyway enjoy it!
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I love my bats, but I am no Pete Hosk! Having spent all that money on the trip, I just can't justify a 5th bat (although watch this space, I am sure I wil lbe tempted in GCCC!)
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Swann's had decent success against a clueless Windies side. 26 wickets @ 22.15. And is currently having a decent time against S.Africa, who are renown for being pretty poor players of spin.
Against India, on a square turner at Chennai, he was woeful. Also 2 Tests vs India, 8 wickets @ 40 on spinners pitches. Averages 40 vs Australia as well.
I wouldn't rule out Mendis just yet. India got revenge against him. He would still tear most non Asian sides apart.
If swann was woeful against india because he averaged over 40 with the ball then that must mean murali is woeful as well as just last month he averaged over 40 with the ball against the indians on spinners pitches as well. And muralis is one of the greatest of all time so in my opinion swann did not do tht badly against india last year
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However long your out for, you don;t lose your ability.
Secondly, South African conditions are more similar to English conditions. Whereas Asian sides have a tougher task when going to places like Australia, South Africa, Engalnd due to the totally different conditions.
But that is the same for most touring sides such as english bowlers will stuggle more in asian conditions but a pakistani bowler may not struggle as much on indian wickets as there pitches have similarities. It works the same for all touring countries in the way that they will struggle more on wickets there not used too.
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Jeet, I really wish I was some sort of moderator on this forum because I would have banned you a long time ago! If you read the topic title... I am not brilliant at geography, but as far i know, England and South Africa are not in Asian, so why the hell have you go on and on about india's spinners and sub continent conditions?
Its so annoying when people like you turn a topic around into a patriotic argument about which country has the best spinner. Talk about England or South Africa, and if you want to discuss Indian v English Spinners, create a new topic and lets talk about a brilliant test match! :) GO ON SWANNY!
Rant over ;)
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Grow a pair before you start mouthing of you bhenchod.
ENGLISH FORUM, ENGLISH LANGUAGE PLEASE!
Craig, if your having period pains or whatever other issues you're stuffing from I'd suggest seeing a doctor.
Stuffing? I dont 'stuffer' from anything, but I do have a dislike for people who think that they are always right about everything. Like I said, check the titles topic and you have your answer about what we should be talking about.
If you have time, can you please give me an email with your address and I will send you a globe so you can see that england and south africa have no relation to india, and I will also send you some information about puberty, what it is, and how the indian spinners coped when they went through it! :)
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Grow a pair before you start mouthing of you bhenchod.
Craig, if your having period pains or whatever other issues you're stuffing from I'd suggest seeing a doctor.
Jeet, I dont want to jump on a band wagon, But you need to be reply in a mature fashion, You have come into this topic slating swann, Yet he probably is up there in the top 3 spinners for this past calender year in terms of wickets,
You reply about period pains and telling pete to grow some balls, I can guarantee, That pete and myself are older than you. So your comment, Does not actually make sense.
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Hes just another typical young child who hates to be wrong, and when he gets told off, throws a tantrum!
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I'm Indian I don't see any Indians on that list, sorry at the moment Swann is better.. It ain't like Harbhajan is lighting the world on fire with his bowling to say that Swann isn't as good or better..
IMO - Vettori is best spinner currently playing.. but thats a separate topic.
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I have also had a pm. But he is asking me why people are getting annoyed and responding in the way we are..
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I'm sure he isn''t a bad chap really. Just needs to think before he tells people ot go screw themselves! And before he is abusive to people!
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Maybe the best laugh of the year so far, this email from Jeet:
Craig,
I used to think you where a 'good guy', but from your last few outbursts I'm presuming that your either:
a) a racist towards Asian people
b) suffering from mental issues
c) bitter about India being superior cricketing nation to England. ]
With regards to global reference, South Africa has plenty of players of Asian decent in the ranks. Amla and Yusuf Abdulla. Your beloved England also have plenty Asians in their ranks such as Rashid, Mahmood, Monty.
With regard to age, I'm older than you, so your obviously craving to be older for some unknown reason.
Jeet has hit the nail on the head obviously Craig.
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What do you mean pal?
That all those points must be true, as you have disagreed with his posts.
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Topic locked due to me being very busy and having to read a load of nonsense fired at me by the subject being reported.
Please do not spoil the forum by fighting, that means all of you.
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Sorry deleted posts confused me.