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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: azim91 on February 26, 2016, 09:13:03 PM
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Any advice from people on how to really increase your batspeed, which muscles to workout on. I am generally in very good shape being a personal trainer, and can hit the ball a fair mile (modest I know), but from what I gather when I record myself, is my bat speed just isn't fast enough. Forearm muscle training? Core training? Agility? I've been training for the good part of 4 years now, and made drastic improvement to all areas of my game except that one part!
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Jp gavin training bat and how it's suppose to help increase speed
http://youtu.be/1wCDtSLa8Pw (http://youtu.be/1wCDtSLa8Pw)
Watch it to the end, there's a video of him netting.
Conventional bat
Massive thing
Conventional
he does seem to have quicker speed at the end.
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along those lines...just swinging around a heavier bat (even 2 oz heavier helps) will work. one other thing I do before a net / game is hold two bats together, swing around a few times, and then go in with my regular bat. you'd be shocked how much lighter it seems right after. these are all short term pre-game fixes... you'd obviously want to spend more time developing your core strength etc. apparently playing squash is supposed to help as well.
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Many recommend the heavy bat in the nets method to increase bat speed.
Also knew a pro footballer who trained in heavy boots claimed it helped him run faster on match day.
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Many recommend the heavy bat in the nets method to increase bat speed.
Also knew a pro footballer who trained in heavy boots claimed it helped him run faster on match day.
If ever you needed anything to prove the "footballers are thick" stereotype...
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Use you bottom half! Power comes from your base and watch some baseball hitting drills is also good for tips on hand speed.
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If you can hit the ball a long way then already then why do you need to improve bat speed?
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If ever you needed anything to prove the "footballers are thick" stereotype...
It's a sound theory, same as to improve speed and acceleration you do the rubber band training where a team mate pulls you back as you try to run.
Your body still try's to move at same pace but forces are stopping it. Which when forces are removed means your body sets off thinking there there and you add pace!
Watch any England/Yorkshire/ insert other international/county training camps and there all doing it.
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I wonder if the type of bat profile has anything to do with it. Would a bat with more wood in the middle be easier to swing than a big edged bat with the wood displaced across the bat. Probably not in mccullums case though!
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I wonder if the type of bat profile has anything to do with it. Would a bat with more wood in the middle be easier to swing than a big edged bat with the wood displaced across the bat. Probably not in mccullums case though!
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Id say a bat with weight mainly at the bottom should increase speed on the way down, as the pendulum effect of the weight on the end should help it swing and keep its momentum.
But like a no good mmi3
Pick up not be great, but if you bat like david Willey and start with it have gn as the bowlers running in. You've negated that part.
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I'm not sure I understand how heavy bats are going to work in the long run. It seems a bit like the heavy ball bowling theory that bowlers attempt. I thought the general results of that were that unless used only sparingly in off season training that the bowlers ended up losing accuracy as the timing went out the window.
I'd have thought that your timing of the ball would suffer with use of a heavy bat? Sure bat speed might increase but it might not be effective in terms of how far the ball goes.
The pitchvision guys talk about building wrist strength for more power with farmers carries and the like (http://www.pitchvision.com/get-a-grip-forearm-training-leads-to-more-runs#/ (http://www.pitchvision.com/get-a-grip-forearm-training-leads-to-more-runs#/)). I guess their theory is that stronger wrists can give you better control WHEN you swing faster?
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Under weight/Over weight training will help here. Using a heavy bat alone in training will help with building strength but you need to practice swinging with a very light bat to train the muscles to "operate" faster. Studies have been done and, while not conclusive, shows there is an effect by training with under and over weight equipment in order to increase velocity.
The same method is used by some bowlers in order to generate arm speed.
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Look at baseball players warmup with 2-3 bats before they go on. I am not sure netting with one will help but 10-15 mins before you go out to bat if you picked up a heavier bat and swung it around it should help. Especially for ppl coming in late or with the intention of just hitting
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I'm not sure I understand how heavy bats are going to work in the long run. It seems a bit like the heavy ball bowling theory that bowlers attempt. I thought the general results of that were that unless used only sparingly in off season training that the bowlers ended up losing accuracy as the timing went out the window.
I'd have thought that your timing of the ball would suffer with use of a heavy bat? Sure bat speed might increase but it might not be effective in terms of how far the ball goes.
The pitchvision guys talk about building wrist strength for more power with farmers carries and the like ([url]http://www.pitchvision.com/get-a-grip-forearm-training-leads-to-more-runs#/[/url] ([url]http://www.pitchvision.com/get-a-grip-forearm-training-leads-to-more-runs#/[/url])). I guess their theory is that stronger wrists can give you better control WHEN you swing faster?
Using heavy bat won't make anyone faster. Getting stronger will make your body and arms move faster. When using a heavy bat in a match situation, you have to use your core, legs, and arms to react with a heavy bat. Try using a heavy bat when facing a Bola at 80+ mph: fast hands alone won't do it.
Watch ABD in action. He gets in a strong position, in line with a ball very quickly before he even uses his hands. ABD also has HUGE arms.
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Look at baseball players warmup with 2-3 bats before they go on. I am not sure netting with one will help but 10-15 mins before you go out to bat if you picked up a heavier bat and swung it around it should help. Especially for ppl coming in late or with the intention of just hitting
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This may work in baseball where a batter stands at the mound for 3-4 pitches. This may not work when you want to play for 20+ overs. You better be strong physically to manage a heavy bat for that long. I believe, for every individual, there is a threshold for (heavy) bat weight at which the performance reaches a point of diminishing returns.
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This may work in baseball where a batter stands at the mound for 3-4 pitches. This may not work when you want to play for 20+ overs. You better be strong physically to manage a heavy bat for that long. I believe, for every individual, there is a threshold for (heavy) bat weight at which the performance reaches a point of diminishing returns.
So to get back to bat speed (as opposed to hitting it further or faster), there may be mileage in using a lighter bat?
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So to get back to bat speed (as opposed to hitting it further or faster), there may be mileage in using a lighter bat?
Yes- as F= ma (Force= Mass x Acceleration).
If you can move a lighter bat quicker you can hit the ball harder than a heavy bat at a slow speed.
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Yes- as F= ma (Force= Mass x Acceleration).
If you can move a lighter bat quicker you can hit the ball harder than a heavy bat at a slow speed.
Heavy bat brigade won't like this.. Can, worms, everywhere
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So to get back to bat speed (as opposed to hitting it further or faster), there may be mileage in using a lighter bat?
"lighter" in my opinion is a subjective term. For Gayle, 2-14 is a lighter bat.
I have found a balance between bat weight and necessary bat speed required to hit the ball long. My bat weight is 2-12/2-13. It's not light and it is not heavy. It is just right. I don't think I could hit big with a 2-6 bat. I used a 2-8 bat in a match and it was a disaster for me and my team.
Literally, a tooth pick wouldn't generate enough momentum to hit the ball long even though you will generate a lot of tooth-pick speed.
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Yes- as F= ma (Force= Mass x Acceleration).
If you can move a lighter bat quicker you can hit the ball harder than a heavy bat at a slow speed.
Really?
Can you hit a six with a tooth-pick? It is light and you can generate GOBS of speed with it.
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Heavy bat brigade won't like this.. Can, worms, everywhere
Light weigh bats are mythologized becauase of hand full of pros (Amla etc.). Us clubbies, need help and a heavy bat helps.
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Really?
Can you hit a six with a tooth-pick? It is light and you can generate GOBS of speed with it.
Its all a balancing act. Your bat speed using a tooth pick will NOT be infinity. Each person has to play around with what works. I saw a Jamaica first class player hit monstrous sixes in a club game - he was using a 2 lb 7 oz feather.
Its not a simple calculation, but there is a tradeoff between bat speed and weight, within a certain range of weight (2 lb 6 to 3 lb, for most people).
Golf has a similar tradeoff, in terms of the shafts used on clubs. The "pros" will use stiffer clubs because they generate an insane amount of swing speed, while amateurs have to rely on more flex (I don't know the exact logic, you guys can google it and learn more if interested).
So there is no right or wrong weight...each person is different...but is likely to find his "ideal" weight within the 2 lb 6 to 3 lb range.
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In golf, you have the luxury of having your swing measured and analyzed to come up with the best type of club to use. You can do this because its just one swing.
In cricket its impossible, because you have so many different types of swings (check drive, punches off back foot, cuts, pulls, baseball style power hits down the ground etc)... so its really just trial and error but the underlying logic of lower weight leading to faster swing speed (within a certain range of weights) is true.
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I couldn't care less what people use, the more that use heavy bats the better as I prefer lighter ones. However, I'm only a 2.9/2.10 guy so it's not that light really anyway.
From very simple deduction of going off who I know in real life (pro game and what they do is so far removed from amateurs it's pointless comparing ) ..
General rule
Heavy bat means a hitter
Lighter bat means technical player
Doesn't mean all slog but generally they'll hit through the line and a lot more in the air etc. Lighter ones tend to play more on the ground, wrists and touch are their skills.
Hey, the beauty of this sport used to be that there is a place for everyone's skills.. A place for the blocker, the nurdler, the slogger, the hitters and then the one guy who seemingly at that level can do it all. Times have passed/passing so the game is killing off a few types but hey ho.. As mr Crowe points out, it's all about 2020 now and hitting /slogging rules .
On another point, in the cricket paper today Paul Nixon mentions that most of the guys now playing 2020'wouod be laughed at if they asked for a pro contract before 2020.. Now they are rich and playing Fc cricket..
Heavy bats will dominate :)
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Yes- as F= ma (Force= Mass x Acceleration).
If you can move a lighter bat quicker you can hit the ball harder than a heavy bat at a slow speed.
Only on this forum will you find average blokes crunching numbers like this in order to improve their game! Do you think the local 5-a-side are using Trigonometry to work on their set pieces? Love it! 😄
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Really?
Can you hit a six with a tooth-pick? It is light and you can generate GOBS of speed with it.
As @brokenbat says a bit of common senses is needed. Could you ( @InternalTraining) hit a six with a 10lb bat?
And @GoodLeave no chance I'm actually going to run any numbers on this, just the basic principle to prove a point.
And clubbies need the help of 2 lb 12+ bats to hit maximums... I'll remember that when I see a 2lb 8 clearing the ropes and politely ask them not to do it.
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As @brokenbat says a bit of common senses is needed. Could you ( @InternalTraining) hit a six with a 10lb bat?
And @GoodLeave no chance I'm actually going to run any numbers on this, just the basic principle to prove a point.
And clubbies need the help of 2 lb 12+ bats to hit maximums... I'll remember that when I see a 2lb 8 clearing the ropes and politely ask them not to do it.
Did you read my post? @brokenbat and I are saying the exact same thing - a batter has to find his own balance between weight of the bat and desired bat speed.
Clubbies who are clearing ropes at 2-8 bats are far and few; they have also played in the past at higher levels or are playing at higher levels.
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From very simple deduction of going off who I know in real life (pro game and what they do is so far removed from amateurs it's pointless comparing ) ..
You have mentioned something similar before and I am genuinely curious about the details. What are they doing that is "far removed from amateurs"?
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You have mentioned something similar before and I am genuinely curious about the details. What are they doing that is "far removed from amateurs"?
St what point is anything in the amateur game like the pros?
Amateurs can hit like the pros so the game simply isn't the same. They can score at run rates well above amateurs without slogging, amateurs need to slog at those rates etc. It's quite simple really. Teams that try and play like pros tend to be hit and miss, and their payers just hit in the air a lot. Unlike pros who actually half place their shots etc.
It's a totally different game. The amateur game is more like the women's pro game than the men's !!
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Did you read my post? @brokenbat and I are saying the exact same thing - a batter has to find his own balance between weight of the bat and desired bat speed.
Clubbies who are clearing ropes at 2-8 bats are far and few; they have also played in the past at higher levels or are playing at higher levels.
Funny, I seem to remember batting with a clubmate who'd bought himself a 2lb6 bat and smashed 4 or 5 out of the ground in one innings a few years ago... I can assure you he has never played a high level of cricket and never will! (no offence meant if he ever reads this ha.)
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Did you read my post? @brokenbat and I are saying the exact same thing - a batter has to find his own balance between weight of the bat and desired bat speed.
Clubbies who are clearing ropes at 2-8 bats are far and few; they have also played in the past at higher levels or are playing at higher levels.
I'm no cricket God and certainly don't class myself as a hitter but I can clear the ropes with a 2.8 bat without trouble, doesn't feel,any different to 2.9/10 tbh. Big heavy bats are a personal/confidence thing, if yiu feel confident you'll go through with the shot.
Assuming a standard bat.. Pros get gun bats but amateurs don't so don't start quoting pro stuff
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As I said...unlike golf and baseball we have different swings. Heavy bat - I hit longer sixes of medium pace dollies. But, when I open / face genuine pace, the pulls and hooks go MUCH further when I use 2 lb 7 instead of 2lb 10. That's just me though. To each his own
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St what point is anything in the amateur game like the pros?
Amateurs can hit like the pros so the game simply isn't the same. They can score at run rates well above amateurs without slogging, amateurs need to slog at those rates etc. It's quite simple really. Teams that try and play like pros tend to be hit and miss, and their payers just hit in the air a lot. Unlike pros who actually half place their shots etc.
It's a totally different game. The amateur game is more like the women's pro game than the men's !!
I see what you are saying - there is more control and finesse to the Pros' approach to maintaining a steady/match winning run rate than the amateurs.
So, as an "amateur", one area of the game where no good coaching is available is shot placement or picking your spots. I wonder how pros do it. We as batters are told to have a clear mind when batting, focus on the ball, and make good contact. How do pros do it while keeping "gaps" in the field in their heads? Do they have more than 1 spot or gap in mind when they dance down the pitch? Do they pre-meditate one shot for one spot because they know that bowler is bowling to one line? How?
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I did read your post and agree its personal preference but you seem to be championing the 2lb 12+ option. I'm merely sticking up for the big hitting "light" bat brigade.
And personally using a 2lb 9 last year and hitting some pretty big bombs think I could mix it with the big boys (2lb 12+).
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Funny, I seem to remember batting with a clubmate who'd bought himself a 2lb6 bat and smashed 4 or 5 out of the ground in one innings a few years ago... I can assure you he has never played a high level of cricket and never will! (no offence meant if he ever reads this ha.)
Then he deserves a medal in my book.
Tell us more about him. Height? Weight? Length of boundaries where this feat happened? Quality of bowling he faced? And, more importantly, what kind of a 2-6 bat he used. Details please.
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I did read your post and agree its personal preference but you seem to be championing the 2lb 12+ option. I'm merely sticking up for the big hitting "light" bat brigade.
I am stating my choice and the right weight for me but, in general, I do think that light bats are over rated. I am standing by this assertion. :D
And personally using a 2lb 9 last year and hitting some pretty big bombs think I could mix it with the big boys (2lb 12+).
Good for you. I could argue that I have seen more normal clubbies hit big with heavier bats than lighter bats.
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So, as an "amateur", one area of the game where no good coaching is available is shot placement or picking your spots. I wonder how pros do it. We as batters are told to have a clear mind when batting, focus on the ball, and make good contact. How do pros do it while keeping "gaps" in the field in their heads? Do they have more than 1 spot or gap in mind when they dance down the pitch? Do they pre-meditate one shot for one spot because they know that bowler is bowling to one line? How?
1 - having a clear mind doesn't mean being blank. I often bat best when I'm focused on just a few shots I know I can play off a particular bowler - I'm waiting for him to pitch it in my area, and if he does I put it away. Pros often speak of a similar attitude, look up Ricky Ponting's Sky masterclass where he says he picks a length out on the pitch and anything shorter than that gets pulled. Clear/focused mind can just as much be a mind with a clear plan.
2 - don't pay too much attention to commentators! We all know they talk a load of crap about bats/timing/huge sixes etc, why should them telling you how a batsman has placed the ball in a precise gap be any different?
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Then he deserves a medal in my book.
Tell us more about him. Height? Weight? Length of boundaries where this feat happened? Quality of bowling he faced? And, more importantly, what kind of a 2-6 bat he used. Details please.
About average height, amateur rugby front row build, has always hit a fairly long ball but nothing remarkable, just for half a season he used 2lb6 rather than his usual 2lb8ish I think. Fairly small boundaries (which is why I only mentioned the ones that went clean out the ground rather than just sixes, of which there were plenty more). Slazenger something or other, which didn't last long! Cleanness of connection (ie batsman!) makes far more of a difference than weight in my opinion, use whatever weight bat lets you hit it the best!
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1 - having a clear mind doesn't mean being blank. I often bat best when I'm focused on just a few shots I know I can play off a particular bowler - I'm waiting for him to pitch it in my area, and if he does I put it away. Pros often speak of a similar attitude, look up Ricky Ponting's Sky masterclass where he says he picks a length out on the pitch and anything shorter than that gets pulled. Clear/focused mind can just as much be a mind with a clear plan.
I don't pick gaps but I pick my shots and my footwork (or angles I have created by moving around) guarantees me shot options. I don't pick gaps because I don't know how.
2 - don't pay too much attention to commentators! We all know they talk a load of crap about bats/timing/huge sixes etc, why should them telling you how a batsman has placed the ball in a precise gap be any different?
Agreed. They are first class bs-ers.
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About average height, amateur rugby front row build, has always hit a fairly long ball but nothing remarkable, just for half a season he used 2lb6 rather than his usual 2lb8ish I think. Fairly small boundaries (which is why I only mentioned the ones that went clean out the ground rather than just sixes, of which there were plenty more). [/b]Slazenger something or other, which didn't last long! Cleanness of connection (ie batsman!) makes far more of a difference than weight in my opinion, use whatever weight bat lets you hit it the best!
Longer or shorter than 75+ yards? I am using 75-80 yards as a standard boundary length from the batter to the rope. Long on?
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Longer or shorter than 75+ yards? I am using 75-80 yards as a standard boundary length from the batter to the rope. Long on?
According to the Google distance measurement thing, 70-75 yards around most of the ground, square boundaries are shorter than that along the length of the square though. Small ground, but not unusually so.
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So in summary, some people like heavier bats because when they don't make a clean contact the ball goes further and some prefer lighter bats because they find it easier to make a clean contact.
Have I got this correct?
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So in summary, some people like heavier bats because when they don't make a clean contact the ball goes further and some prefer lighter bats because they find it easier to make a clean contact.
Have I got this correct?
Laws of physics favo(u)r heavier bats more than the lighter bats.
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Laws of physics favo(u)r heavier bats more than the lighter bats.
Only if you can swing it quick enough.
EDIT: its a balancing act to create the optimum momentum. CBF excuse to buy more bats!