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Title: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 06:44:25 PM
So the first few clips are of my newly refurbed GN Oblivion which no has a nasty shoulder crack! Not looked at it too much yet but suspicions are that the new handle mat have caused a problem because that seems to have a problem in itself aswell!

The rest of the videos are me using the scoop, thanks to Chris for selling me this otherwise i would have had an woeful session otherwise!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohpvvFX8GD0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohpvvFX8GD0&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: 19reading87 on March 28, 2016, 06:51:30 PM
Video is on private mate
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 06:53:26 PM
Video is on private mate

Balls! Not again... try now
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: 19reading87 on March 28, 2016, 07:03:35 PM
Yep working buddy.

I'm no batting coach so feel free to ignore, not sure if that trigger movement works for you tho mate, you don't seem to be in a solid base when playing the ball
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 07:06:24 PM
Yep working buddy.

I'm no batting coach so feel free to ignore, not sure if that trigger movement works for you tho mate, you don't seem to be in a solid base when playing the ball

Not today it didn't know, but i can't bat without one... it was still a bit moist and skiddy, plus was getting throw downs which throws me off completely.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 28, 2016, 07:08:42 PM
Pictures of the broken bat? :-[
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 07:13:19 PM
Pictures of the broken bat? :-[

Not gone to gt it yet and now it's pouring down so you might have to wait till tomorrow
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Buzz on March 28, 2016, 07:23:53 PM
Just out of interest, when you watch that back and, for example compare it to a pro, what are the first thoughts that come to mind?

How would you critique your own batting?


Also reading this
Not today it didn't know, but i can't bat without one... it was still a bit moist and skiddy, plus was getting throw downs which throws me off completely.

Is it possible that the two things (i can't bat without a trigger and throw downs throw me off completely?) are correlated

As a tip look at how your back foot moves for a short ball and the position your front foot finishes in after your trigger.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 28, 2016, 07:25:28 PM
Just out of interest, when you watch that back and, for example compare it to a pro, what are the first thoughts that come to mind?

How would you critique your own batting?

Better than Chris Martin  ;) :D
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: smilley792 on March 28, 2016, 07:29:39 PM
Who was bowling? Throwing?

And what was he/she bowling/ throwing?



It seemed very slow, yet teidicolously bouncey, and about as useful to practice against as my niece with a balloon.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 07:36:36 PM
How would you critique your own batting?

P!ss poor but better than some
As a tip look at how your back foot moves for a short ball and the position your front foot finishes in after your trigger.

I have noticed my front foot and I have batted better with bowlers using a run up. Also my back foot doesnt come across any further and ive always struggled with the short ball, but it will be something I will work on when i get a few first team bowlers bowling at me.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 07:42:15 PM
Who was bowling? Throwing?

Friend that has recently had a shoulder op for when he dislocated it a couple of years ago, wasnt the best of bowling i know!
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Sivlar13 on March 28, 2016, 07:50:26 PM
Trigger movement is the thing that will let you down when the bowling's quicker mate. When you're stable your technique is fine but as you move across your head goes towards the offside which results in your front foot getting stuck when the balls on middle and leg/leg stump. As long as you make sure you keep your head in line with that trigger you'll be fine, but if it's anything like when I tried to trigger when I was 16, my head just kept on going leaving me massively unbalanced.

Just something to think about, it may help in the future.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Buzz on March 28, 2016, 07:55:35 PM
Ditching the trigger and standing still aligned better will transform your batting.

And no you don't need a trigger that is all in your head.
You will get hurt against quick bowling with the position you are in at the moment.
.sorry to be blunt.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 08:03:06 PM
I'll give it a go at nets on Sunday! I shall refer back just before I start so it's fresh in my mind...

Apart from making the movement first with my head leading, is there anything else you can suggest for this transformation?

Don't worry about being blunt @Buzz as much as it's knocked my confidence, I do want to become better and jump up the order. Obviously this isnt going to happen in a couple of weeks (Apart from a sunday as i'm captain)!
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Post by: FattusCattus on March 28, 2016, 08:04:50 PM
Be blunt - it works.

I am an advocate of the Buzz 'lean in to it' method, instead of the trigger movement. It feels more natural, and there are less movements to think about.

If you can't adapt to that, buy another bat - it will make you better.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 08:07:02 PM
If you can't adapt to that, buy another bat - it will make you better.
I need to anyway  :(
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: smilley792 on March 28, 2016, 08:21:26 PM
Lad at our club has a massive trigger similar to yours.

I bowled a few yards behind the stumps on wed to see what he did, he stood and watched it hit the stumps then threw a tantrum that he didn't have chance to use his trigger.


Why no one has yet tried that to steve smith is beyond me.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 08:33:41 PM
Lad at our club has a massive trigger similar to yours.

I bowled a few yards behind the stumps on wed to see what he did, he stood and watched it hit the stumps then threw a tantrum that he didn't have chance to use his trigger.


Why no one has yet tried that to steve smith is beyond me.

Probably one of the best example's i've read against not using one, friend did this a few time at nets last thursday, threw me completely! That's it...trigger gone.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: brokenbat on March 28, 2016, 08:40:57 PM
Ditching the trigger and standing still aligned better will transform your batting.

And no you don't need a trigger that is all in your head.
You will get hurt against quick bowling with the position you are in at the moment.
.sorry to be blunt.

@Buzz is spot on. my game has improved leaps and bounds by just focusing on a still head.
one other point mate...even when pros DO the trigger, they move very ATHLETICALLY, whereas your trigger here is very clunky, and you kinda plonk both feet down, as opposed to GLIDING them back and forth and staying in a "ready" position.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 08:43:40 PM
Are you saying im not athletic? How dare you! My spare tyre has helped me win many competitions (none in cricket)!  :D
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 28, 2016, 08:46:03 PM
I had a trigger coached into me to the point standing still just feels unnatural.
Is it easy to get out of the habit or am I stuck with a dodgy half step across forever more?
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: brokenbat on March 28, 2016, 08:50:26 PM
Are you saying im not athletic? How dare you! My spare tyre has helped me win many competitions (none in cricket)!  :D

Haha..takes one to know one, mate ;)
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 28, 2016, 08:53:02 PM
I've always been flat footed, even in my younger days... It whittles down to being far to lazy for my own good!
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: rickjames on March 28, 2016, 09:00:41 PM
I'm not sure if I can really speak having only just come back into playing after so long, but despite some advice trying last week to use a trigger I couldn't help but find it uncomfortable and just feel odd. Much prefer just being static, although I still can't hit anything, hah.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: edge on March 28, 2016, 11:19:46 PM
I had a trigger coached into me to the point standing still just feels unnatural.
Is it easy to get out of the habit or am I stuck with a dodgy half step across forever more?
I've seen a lot of people who are used to a trigger movement struggle trying to stay still because they stand flat-footed and then can't move. Instead of the trigger, try moving up onto the balls of your feet at the moment you would trigger - you stay nice and still that way and you're in a good position to move forward or back because you're on your toes rather than planted. Tip passed on by a coach at uni a few years ago and it's worked well for me and others, I've toyed with triggers at various points but tend to pick the ball up better when I'm still.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Buzz on March 29, 2016, 07:49:28 AM
I had a trigger coached into me to the point standing still just feels unnatural.
Is it easy to get out of the habit or am I stuck with a dodgy half step across forever more?

You just don't trigger... It is easy enough to stop doing.

In the mean time for those looking who have a similar issue - take a look at this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk8bvI0dZa4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk8bvI0dZa4)
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Buzz on March 29, 2016, 02:17:59 PM
@Woodyspin this is for you and others with similar alignment issues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rokwxotanGM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rokwxotanGM)
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on March 29, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
Buzz,

Honestly, I can not thank you enough for the time you've spent watching my god awful batting! Now you point certain things out, even though i thought i was reasonable at said things, such as, legside shots and what have you... turns out my technique for these type of shots are poor and i've just been lucky to only been given out (I think) twice LBW last year!

More time in front of the bowling machine I think! hopefully within a couple of sessions i would have settled into a new groove!

Again, thanks for all your help. Hopefully next time isn't such an eye sore!
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 29, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
Thanks for the link Buzzby

I now have a strange feeling I want to buy a Kookaburra...
If it ever stops raining and I can find someone to drop balls for me I'll give this a go.

Also thanks for the weight onto the ball of my feet tip @edge, that's something I can practice indoors. I'll have to get all my kit on to practice this effectively though... All the gear in front of the mirror  ;)
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on April 02, 2016, 07:48:51 PM
First up thanks to @Buzz and @edge for the tips about triggering. I gave this a go today and it was a lot easier to stop the trigger movement than I thought it would be.

As suggested by Buzz and in the video he posted, I stopped my across/back and across movement and took guard on middle stump.
Instead of triggering, as suggested by edge I simply shifted the weight onto the balls of my feet. I may or may not have developed an odd bounce as the bowler is running in, but I am now still at the point the bowler delivers the ball.

As a result I was able to play the ball under my eyes easier as I wasn't on the move as the ball came out the bowlers hand.

I'll try to get some video footage of my batting next time I net so you can all cast your critical eyes over it. All feedback (other than "give up, you're sh*t") welcome  :)
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: ppccopener on April 02, 2016, 08:16:15 PM
Nah...we wouldn't be that nasty to you...the TROLLS might be we wouldn't!!

So I'm taking a smaller step across now after a big back and across movement last winter practice and the disaster that was 2015..

So you're back foot is stock still right?
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on April 02, 2016, 08:46:13 PM
Nah...we wouldn't be that nasty to you...the TROLLS might be we wouldn't!!

So I'm taking a smaller step across now after a big back and across movement last winter practice and the disaster that was 2015..

So you're back foot is stock still right?

Yes, instead of taking Leg and stepping across I'm now taking middle.
Without the half step I'm now keeping my feet still, and more importantly - in line!
As in the video Buzz posted, I'm now in a better position to strike the ball, and I'm no longer playing around my front leg if anything is on my pads.

Ironically, playing off my pads is something that's always been something of a strength, so the fact my trigger was limiting some shots off my legs has amused me slightly. Now my trigger is gone balls on my legs are guaranteed runs, anything on the stumps or outside off may be a struggle for me though... :-[
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on April 02, 2016, 08:51:19 PM
Yes, instead of taking Leg and stepping across I'm now taking middle.
Without the half step I'm now keeping my feet still, and more importantly - in line!
As in the video Buzz posted, I'm now in a better position to strike the ball, and I'm no longer playing around my front leg if anything is on my pads.

Ironically, playing off my pads is something that's always been something of a strength, so the fact my trigger was limiting some shots off my legs has amused me slightly. Now my trigger is gone balls on my legs are guaranteed runs, anything on the stumps or outside off may be a struggle for me though... :-[

I actually know exactly what you're saying, and i thought that same thing. but it does make sense, if your front leg is more out of the way the more range you have to swing your bat. Think ABDV mentioned something similar in his masterclass videos.
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: ppccopener on April 02, 2016, 09:16:54 PM
Yes, instead of taking Leg and stepping across I'm now taking middle.
Without the half step I'm now keeping my feet still, and more importantly - in line!
As in the video Buzz posted, I'm now in a better position to strike the ball, and I'm no longer playing around my front leg if anything is on my pads.

Ironically, playing off my pads is something that's always been something of a strength, so the fact my trigger was limiting some shots off my legs has amused me slightly. Now my trigger is gone balls on my legs are guaranteed runs, anything on the stumps or outside off may be a struggle for me though... :-[

If this has helped you great....perhaps we should of had some mini batting observation at Dummer or Eversley nets to see.

I just can't see see how this does anything else other than screw up offside shots.i play around the front pad too, it a weakness and has been for years. To get the bat coming thru straight I've opened the left shoulder and moved the back foot across(a lot, now a bit less) this means you back foot is more in line playing offside shots.
If your back foot is still and you move your front foot only to the ball (a drive) you are not In the right position to play offside-if the ball comes back in your across the ball from the start.

If it works for you great, we are all different, I'm just trying to get my head round it because I've always had this across the front pad problem.
If the back foot goes across that helps the left shoulder open so you are not falling over into the shot
Make sense?
Ps I am not a troll. Haha
 :)
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: Woodyspin on April 02, 2016, 09:23:51 PM
Not sure if you're being serious, but i found this very similar to how i end up playing my best on side shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whrZOG5R1zc&ab_channel=CricketYard (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whrZOG5R1zc&ab_channel=CricketYard)
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Post by: Batbuddy99 on April 02, 2016, 09:26:53 PM
If this has helped you great....perhaps we should of had some mini batting observation at Dummer or Eversley nets to see.
We could always have another one?!
Title: Re: Me batting again + the sound of a broken bat.
Post by: ppccopener on April 02, 2016, 09:39:44 PM
We could always have another one?!

There's never enough practice if you really want to improve  :) and they were very enjoyable