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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: alexhilly1492 on September 13, 2016, 11:42:12 AM
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Another big player for Durham leaves, turned down a new 3 year deal and moved down south,
Surrey seem to be building a big squad unless there's going to be a few leaving this winter
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There will have to be a few leavers from Surrey.
Davies is due to move to Somerset.
The Surrey top order next year will be mad
Burns
Stoneman
Borthwick
Sanga (expecting him to stay on)
Roy
Foakes
Ansari
Curran S
Curran T
Batty
Footitt, Meaker, Durnbach,
Plus loads of others. Sibley, the new spinner, Burke the alrounder... And a brilliant youth set up.
Personally I am not sure buying all these players in is necessary...
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One mitigating factor will be potential England call-ups (Roy, Foakes, Currans, Ansari, Meaker), and making sure they're aren't hit too hard.
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Will be no one left for anyone else. Feel sorry for Durham, will end up in mid div 2 unless they have loads of youths coming through.
Is there still a wages cap? Surely Surrey must be well past that with the names they have
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Surrey still have the cheque book Charlie mentality brought in by Chris Adams who mistakenly thought he was the Alex Ferguson of the cricket world.
up the middle....sex
:)
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Probably persuaded to go due to massive debts brought on by the soulless riverside. If Mark Wood doesn't get a central contract he's out of the door too I imagine.
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Surrey still have the cheque book Charlie mentality brought in by Chris Adams who mistakenly thought he was the Alex Ferguson of the cricket world.
It's amazing really, you have some counties struggling to operate due to limited finances, then Surrey who just their money at stuff. Maybe a franchise system is the way forward
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Somthing special happening at Surrey!
Just checking the annual memberships now, only 15 mins form work :o
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Somthing special happening at Surrey!
Just checking the annual memberships now, only 15 mins form work :o
£150 for t20s and one day
£200 for county champs right?
friend was looking the other day
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It's amazing really, you have some counties struggling to operate due to limited finances, then Surrey who just their money at stuff. Maybe a franchise system is the way forward
Surrey is the only County who don't care Jade Dernbach earns 50k a year, it's like the crumbs off the cake
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I pay £147 for my T20/One Day membership.
We're rich, do what we want and all that. Ah. And its not like we've sacked the academy off; Pope and Virdi recently signed their first pro deals
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So Div 4 football or whatever they call it now wages?
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To be fair to Surrey, they have had a concerted youth policy for a number of seasons now and a lot of their squad is homegrown. As I mentioned above, it's now that those players who are interesting the selectors and justify Surrey looking for players of a certain quality to keep themselves in Div 1 and look to win it.
Marketing wise, Surrey are also the slickest county. Their embrace of T20, making it a roaring success it not to be sniffed at. They are getting people through the gates both in terms of club and country.
It's easy to bag Surrey, but they are profitable, grow their own, and look to support Team England. Compare them to Yorkshire, who whinge in public about having England players, when in reality their central contracts help keep the club solvent, and up until this season seem to be whote ball averse, and can't sell out their Test matches in a catchment area that holds the largest number of participating cricketers in the country.
Also, in defence of Dernbach, in county cricket, especially one day stuff, he is a bloody good bowler.
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Compare them to Yorkshire, who whinge in public about having England players, when in reality their central contracts help keep the club solvent, and up until this season seem to be whote ball averse, and can't sell out their Test matches in a catchment area that holds the largest number of participating cricketers in the country.
Yorshire? Whingers? Noooooo, never ;)
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To be fair to Surrey, they have had a concerted youth policy for a number of seasons now and a lot of their squad is homegrown. As I mentioned above, it's now that those players who are interesting the selectors and justify Surrey looking for players of a certain quality to keep themselves in Div 1 and look to win it.
Marketing wise, Surrey are also the slickest county. Their embrace of T20, making it a roaring success it not to be sniffed at. They are getting people through the gates both in terms of club and country.
It's easy to bag Surrey, but they are profitable, grow their own, and look to support Team England. Compare them to Yorkshire, who whinge in public about having England players, when in reality their central contracts help keep the club solvent, and up until this season seem to be whote ball averse, and can't sell out their Test matches in a catchment area that holds the largest number of participating cricketers in the country.
Also, in defence of Dernbach, in county cricket, especially one day stuff, he is a bloody good bowler.
Not sure how I feel about the Surrey grow their own statement. There was a lot of grumbles at the start of the season when they signed 25 year old South African Pillans and 18 year old South African McKerr
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Burns
Harinath
Sibley
Curran T
Curran S
Meaker
Burke
Ansari
Dernbach
Roy
Dunn
Ollie Pope made his debut in the RL semi final.
You can sign questionable players of iffy provenance too.
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James Burke was picked up after being released by Somerset.
the rest are from the Surrey graduate system
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It's easy to bag Surrey, but they are profitable, grow their own, and look to support Team England. Compare them to Yorkshire, who whinge in public about having England players, when in reality their central contracts help keep the club solvent, and up until this season seem to be whote ball averse, and can't sell out their Test matches in a catchment area that holds the largest number of participating cricketers in the country.
How many players have Surrey grown in recent years? Even in their current squad, which is a vast improvement on what went before, you have Sibley, Ansari and Burns who are genuinely homegrown and :
Overseas: Sangakkara, Finch
South African/Zimboks: Dernbach, Meaker, Pillans, McKerr, Roy, Curran x 2
Other Dubious Kolpakkers: Rampaul
Players Poached from Other counties: Davies, Batty, Footitt, Foakes, Burke
Wow, a whole THREE players. Compare that with Yorkshire, who have produced Root, Bairstow, Lyth, Lees, Leaning, Gale, Bresnan, Rashid, Plunkett, Sidebottom, Fisher, Paterson, Shaw, Rhodes for England....
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Wasn't Plunkett from Durham..?
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How many players have Surrey grown in recent years? Even in their current squad, which is a vast improvement on what went before, you have Sibley, Ansari and Burns who are genuinely homegrown and :
Overseas: Sangakkara, Finch
South African/Zimboks: Dernbach, Meaker, Pillans, McKerr, Roy, Curran x 2
Other Dubious Kolpakkers: Rampaul
Players Poached from Other counties: Davies, Batty, Footitt, Foakes, Burke
Wow, a whole THREE players. Compare that with Yorkshire, who have produced Root, Bairstow, Lyth, Lees, Leaning, Gale, Bresnan, Rashid, Plunkett, Sidebottom, Fisher, Paterson, Shaw, Rhodes for England....
This is garbage.
Meaker and Durbach played Colts at Guildford, Roy at Reigate all three came through the youth system. As did Batty (!) Surrey have paid for the currans (x3) to go through school and they have come through the youth system. So actually very similar to Yorkshire, plus we have Sibley, Freddie Vdb (about to leave) and many others in the 2s who have come through the youth set up (which has won the u17 cup multiple times in recent years. Fact is many saffas play in the Surrey champo (especially at Wimbledon, Reigate and Guilford, 3 of the bigger clubs.
There are also many other former colts from Surrey at other counties
The difference is that Yorkshire tend to keep their colts
Separately it is sad that Davies will be leaving at the end of the year.
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is that confirmed about Davies?
good keeper and a classy bat. would be a good signing for another County if he does go
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is that confirmed about Davies?
good keeper and a classy bat. would be a good signing for another County if he does go
I dont think its been announced formally but there has been a load of talk in the press which usually is a pretty good sign. Believe i read he wants to keep more and isnt getting a chance at Surrey
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Was announced this morning https://www.kiaoval.com/steven-davies-leaves-surrey/ (https://www.kiaoval.com/steven-davies-leaves-surrey/)
Shame, but wish him all the best
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Was announced this morning https://www.kiaoval.com/steven-davies-leaves-surrey/ (https://www.kiaoval.com/steven-davies-leaves-surrey/)
Shame, but wish him all the best
His stats in his time at surrey are very good
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And here Essex are with 9 homegrown players (plus Tendo & Masters)
What a time to be alive :D
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Wasn't Plunkett from Durham..?
He played for them because their academy poached him, but he is a Yorkshire lad born and bred.
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He played for them because their academy poached him, but he is a Yorkshire lad born and bred.
He's a Boro lad isn't he so only just Yorkshire by a few miles!
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We could field 11 Kolpak players or 11 academy graduates and the vast majority will find a reason to moan about our squad. Haters gonna hate.
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We could field 11 Kolpak players or 11 academy graduates and the vast majority will find a reason to moan about our squad. Haters gonna hate.
Up the 'Rey!
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We could field 11 Kolpak players or 11 academy graduates and the vast majority will find a reason to moan about our squad. Haters gonna hate.
Pretty much, jealousy all round from the others
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We could field 11 Kolpak players or 11 academy graduates and the vast majority will find a reason to moan about our squad. Haters gonna hate.
Well...you could field 11 Homegrown players...or 10,9,8,7,6,5 etc...but why change the habit of a generation? You can hide behind crappy excuses like "moaning" all you like, but the facts of the matter are that Surrey have only ever bought in talent and success from elsewhere. In Yorkshire, we're proud that, England calls aside, we could field a world class side born or raised in the county. Surrey would have to recruit to field *any* xi....
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Well...you could field 11 Homegrown players...or 10,9,8,7,6,5 etc...but why change the habit of a generation? You can hide behind crappy excuses like "moaning" all you like, but the facts of the matter are that Surrey have only ever bought in talent and success from elsewhere. In Yorkshire, we're proud that, England calls aside, we could field a world class side born or raised in the county. Surrey would have to recruit to field *any* xi....
Thanks for reinforcing my point.
You cant name a world class team born/raised in yorkshire that's a ridiculous notion. There isn't even a world class XI born/raised in England.
As for "only ever" bringing in talent, you are wrong, depending on how far back you want to go will depend on how big the list of Surreys England internationals will be.
The talent we have brought in mind hasn't bankrupted us to the embarrassing point were we've had to sell the contents of our museum.
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You cant name a world class team born/raised in yorkshire that's a ridiculous notion. There isn't even a world class XI born/raised in England.
As for "only ever" bringing in talent, you are wrong, depending on how far back you want to go will depend on how big the list of Surreys England internationals will be.
Well, I was born in 1977, so lets use that as an arbitrary cut off. How many England internationals have been born and raised by Surrey in that time? I skimmed the list of test caps and found, at best, 10 (those in capitals were genuinely "born and raised" the rest less so) - BUTCHER A, BUTCHER M, STEWART, BICKNELL, TUDOR, THORPE, Jackman, Ward, Clarke, Richards. Its not a bad list, but pales in comparison to the equivalent list of players Yorkshire has produced (deep breath) COPE, BAIRSTOW D, STEVENSON, ATHEY, SIDEBOTTOM A, MOXON, JARVIS, ILLINGWORTH, GOUGH, SILVERWOOD, Vaughan, HAmilton, HOGGARD, DAWSON, SIDEBOTTOM R, MCGRATH, PLUNKETT, BRESNAN, SHAHZAD, BAIRSTOW J, ROOT, LYTH, RASHID - and thats before you consider players like Batty, Cook, Whitaker, Mallender and Rhodes who came through our youth system before being poached elsewhere. :D
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This is garbage.
Meaker and Durbach played Colts at Guildford, Roy at Reigate all three came through the youth system. As did Batty (!) Surrey have paid for the currans (x3) to go through school and they have come through the youth system. So actually very similar to Yorkshire, plus we have Sibley, Freddie Vdb (about to leave) and many others in the 2s who have come through the youth set up (which has won the u17 cup multiple times in recent years. Fact is many saffas play in the Surrey champo (especially at Wimbledon, Reigate and Guilford, 3 of the bigger clubs.
There are also many other former colts from Surrey at other counties
With respect, you disagreeing doesn't make it any less true. That would be like me seeking to posit Gary Ballance as a product of Yorkshire because he played two seasons of Under 19s within the county (odd similarity actually, paying for a kids education as a means of poaching...)
The difference is that Yorkshire tend to keep their colts
Thats a recent development, more or less of the Graves era. It used to be that we lost a lot of our best players because other counties could afford to poach them, and for a long time the XI we fielded would have lost comfortably to a compositve XI of Yorkshire lads at other counties.
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Well, I was born in 1977, so lets use that as an arbitrary cut off. How many England internationals have been born and raised by Surrey in that time? I skimmed the list of test caps and found, at best, 10 (those in capitals were genuinely "born and raised" the rest less so) - BUTCHER A, BUTCHER M, STEWART, BICKNELL, TUDOR, THORPE, Jackman, Ward, Clarke, Richards. Its not a bad list, but pales in comparison to the equivalent list of players Yorkshire has produced (deep breath) COPE, BAIRSTOW D, STEVENSON, ATHEY, SIDEBOTTOM A, MOXON, JARVIS, ILLINGWORTH, GOUGH, SILVERWOOD, Vaughan, HAmilton, HOGGARD, DAWSON, SIDEBOTTOM R, MCGRATH, PLUNKETT, BRESNAN, SHAHZAD, BAIRSTOW J, ROOT, LYTH, RASHID - and thats before you consider players like Batty, Cook, Whitaker, Mallender and Rhodes who came through our youth system before being poached elsewhere. :D
I wasn't comparing counties, I was saying we have produced many England players. On a side your trying to claim a bloke who came through Durham(plunkett) as Yorkshire through and through which is ridiculous. But my argument wasn't that youve never produced England players it was about the fact Surrey have.
You've also swerved the point that one of the most successful counties in the history of cricket with a test match ground and largest number of recreational cricketers than any other county(apparently) are £22m in debt and had to sell their museum collection.
You also haven't named the World Class Yorkshire XI
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I see this thread ended up in the realms of pathetic fast
There's a few off you that don't agree, say your piece and move on, this back and forth stuff is what's bringing the forum down.
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I wasn't comparing counties, I was saying we have produced many England players. On a side your trying to claim a bloke who came through Durham(plunkett) as Yorkshire through and through which is ridiculous. But my argument wasn't that youve never produced England players it was about the fact Surrey have.
Plunkett played all his age group cricket in and for Yorkshire, the county of his birth, and was poached from our Academy. I think thats pretty good grounds.
You've also swerved the point that one of the most successful counties in the history of cricket with a test match ground and largest number of recreational cricketers than any other county(apparently) are £22m in debt and had to sell their museum collection.
No, I discounted it as irrelevant piffle.
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Surely discussion is what the whole point of the forum is? There has to be some back and forth otherwise it becomes a series of statements?
And it's always going to get a little petty at times when Yorkshire and Surrey fans come together, we are both (as a fan base) as arrogant as each other in thinking we are correct/the best :D :D
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I think that Surrey aren't near the top and Yorkshire appear to have thrown the title away neither are the best... And this is coming from a Notts fan :/
Either way I think it's both good for Scott and Surrey, if he can get into the Surrey team that is! Also seen today Davies has signed for Somerset
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Surely discussion is what the whole point of the forum is? There has to be some back and forth otherwise it becomes a series of statements?
And it's always going to get a little petty at times when Yorkshire and Surrey fans come together, we are both (as a fan base) as arrogant as each other in thinking we are correct/the best :D :D
What he said :)
Difference is, Yorkshire fans are actually right :)
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I think that Surrey aren't near the top and Yorkshire appear to have thrown the title away neither are the best... And this is coming from a Notts fan :/
Either way I think it's both good for Scott and Surrey, if he can get into the Surrey team that is! Also seen today Davies has signed for Somerset
Doesn't matter that we actually are any good or not. We just think we are :D
Borthwick will walk into our 1st team. I think the Oval pitches will help both his batting and leg spin though, he's got a great chance to kick on in his career.
Davies is a great signing for Somerset, fantastic player in all 3 formats on his day. Somerset fans need to prepare themselves for the frustrations of him chipping the ball to mid on/off in the 40s though.
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TBH I guess most rival fans are jealous of Surrey CCC. They have a business model in place where that generate a very health profit via ticket sales and memberships. Their probably the most marketable side in county cricket. In some ways they aren't to dissimilar to Manchester United in the footballing world. Both generate money with helps them gain the players they want. Some might think it unfair, but that's how sports go.
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TBH I guess most rival fans are jealous of Surrey CCC. They have a business model in place where that generate a very health profit via ticket sales and memberships. Their probably the most marketable side in county cricket. In some ways they aren't to dissimilar to Manchester United in the footballing world. Both generate money with helps them gain the players they want. Some might think it unfair, but that's how sports go.
cant stand Surrey, not jealous, just don't like them. I support Middlesex and we are about to win the Championship.
BUT........having seen a test match this year at the Oval I would say this:
the viewing as a spectator is fantastic, it's far better than Lords.
Transport to get there is easy.
and most importantly, the food and drink stalls are top class. yes it's better than Lords and far better priced. At Lords you need a bank loan to have a beer.
There....I've got that off my chest
up the middle !! sex sex sex :)
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cant stand Surrey, not jealous, just don't like them. I support Middlesex and we are about to win the Championship.
BUT........having seen a test match this year at the Oval I would say this:
the viewing as a spectator is fantastic, it's far better than Lords.
Transport to get there is easy.
and most importantly, the food and drink stalls are top class. yes it's better than Lords and far better priced. At Lords you need a bank loan to have a beer.
There....I've got that off my chest
up the middle !! sex sex sex :)
C'mon everyone know Somerset are gonna be champions 😉
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cant stand Surrey, not jealous, just don't like them. I support Middlesex and we are about to win the Championship.
BUT........having seen a test match this year at the Oval I would say this:
the viewing as a spectator is fantastic, it's far better than Lords.
Transport to get there is easy.
and most importantly, the food and drink stalls are top class. yes it's better than Lords and far better priced. At Lords you need a bank loan to have a beer.
There....I've got that off my chest
up the middle !! sex sex sex :)
And membership is much cheaper! I live in noth London, but watch Surrey. It takes me only slightly longer to get to The Oval than it does to Lord's. I go pretty regularly, but still cosider Northants 'my team' because I grew up watching them.
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I'll miss Davies. One of the most elegant batsmen I have seen.
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I'll miss Davies. One of the most elegant batsmen I have seen.
that's a very good signing for the Cidermen indeed....
a little bit unlucky not to play for England more. He's a class act.
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that's a very good signing for the Cidermen indeed....
a little bit unlucky not to play for England more. He's a class act.
He still has ambitions. His reason for leaving, I believe.
V. cautious declaration by Middlesex?
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With respect, you disagreeing doesn't make it any less true. That would be like me seeking to posit Gary Ballance as a product of Yorkshire because he played two seasons of Under 19s within the county (odd similarity actually, paying for a kids education as a means of poaching...)
Jason Roy's family came to the UK when he was 10.
Tom Curran was 17, Sam 14 (though born in Northamptonshire), when they came over. Partly due to the fact their Dad died so Tony Greig wanted to help the family.
Meaker's family moved when he was 12.
Dernbach was 14.
There were plenty of SA families moving over this way in those days.
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He still has ambitions. His reason for leaving, I believe.
V. cautious declaration by Middlesex?
butler is ramping the quicks and already putting it into the stands. He's got some talent that bloke.
anything is possible :) Championship cricket has had a real good year, and that can only be good long term
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butler is ramping the quicks and already putting it into the stands. He's got some talent that bloke.
anything is possible :) Championship cricket has had a real good year, and that can only be good long term
Agree. I think it's a good product.
Sick to death of hearing 'one man and a dog' clichés.