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Equipment => Bats => Bat Care => Topic started by: WalkingWicket37 on December 29, 2016, 10:04:47 PM
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Evening all
I thought I'd do a running topic of a couple of reforms I have on the go.
Yesterday morning a teammate dropped a couple of SS Masters round to me for a refurb. Some of you may recognise both of these bats, as both were mine and both were reviewed when I received them.
My mate has asked for both to be completely stripped back to white willow (including removing the TON stamps) so he can apply some stickers when they're returned to him.
Does anyone know what causes these strange red marks on the face of a bat? ???
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161228_104525_zpsnfijve9g.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161228_104525_zpsnfijve9g.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161228_104549_zpsimuvqyfm.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161228_104549_zpsimuvqyfm.jpg.html)
A couple of marks on the inside edge of the Master 1000 (the blue one)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161228_104622_zpspvpa67nz.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161228_104622_zpspvpa67nz.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161228_104641_zpstdnoirst.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161228_104641_zpstdnoirst.jpg.html)
I think the owner may be a crease tapper :-[
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161228_104813_zpscjvaaa3q.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161228_104813_zpscjvaaa3q.jpg.html)
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First one I decided to tackle was the Master 1000.
I originally purchased this one from Cricmart in April 2015, and sold it to my teammate a couple of months later having knocked it in but never used it.
My original review can be viewed here - http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=34375.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=34375.0)
As this bat has had the most use, I had a feeling the scuff sheet could be hiding something nasty. I will be removing all the stickers and sanding back to one colour of willow, so I planned to repair any damage I found first, and will refurbish one everything is fixed up and dry again.
First things first I removed the scuff sheet. The first thing I noticed was that the inside edge looks to have lead a hard life
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161229_214933_zps7yzhk7hi.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161229_214933_zps7yzhk7hi.jpg.html)
Upon closer inspection, there were a few cracks along the grains. Please excuse the lifted willow (that will be sorted in due course)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161229_214955_zps4tuzflpy.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161229_214955_zps4tuzflpy.jpg.html)
The inside edge appears to have delaminated "a few grains in" which I will need to glue
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/IMG-20161229-WA0017_zpsifktjnvu.jpeg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/IMG-20161229-WA0017_zpsifktjnvu.jpeg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/IMG-20161229-WA0019_zps6tk5lzow.jpeg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/IMG-20161229-WA0019_zps6tk5lzow.jpeg.html)
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Love your these mate, got me into returns. Await final pics. Of to the work shop to od shave my first bat over the next week.
If have to get the lippy out to replicate those cherries 🍒!
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Is it over dry Cam?
Or just had plenty of use?
Good job it had a sheet on it
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Amos and Paul have done some really useful videos on YouTube on how to get scuff sheet and stickers off mate, should give you some tips on getting the sheets off without any willow tear out 😉
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Is it over dry Cam?
Or just had plenty of use?
Good job it had a sheet on it
I sold it to my mate in 2015, having just finished oiling and knocking it in. He applied a scuff sheet and has used it as his number one since, so it's had 2 full season of use (about 700 runs, plus net use through it).
I think it's a combination of having plenty of use and drying out a bit over the 2 years he's had it.
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([url]http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/IMG-20161229-WA0019_zps6tk5lzow.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/IMG-20161229-WA0019_zps6tk5lzow.jpeg.html[/url])
Great thread!!
I have a similar delam-crack in my match bat's inner edge but glueing hasn't kept the strip of wood down. Do you normally put a vice/pressure device after glueing?
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Cut up a bat grip into half inch rounds and use them as a clamp.
You are best off trying to lift the delamination as much as possible then gluing
Hope this helps
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That's a well used bat, we don't see many of those on here lol.
Look forward to finished pics, red stickers master looks nice
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Love your these mate, got me into returns. Await final pics. Of to the work shop to od shave my first bat over the next week.
If have to get the lippy out to replicate those cherries 🍒!
What the hell is this gibberish? :D
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What the hell is this gibberish? :D
son of God Churchy is vaping with the rest of us, looks like the dose is a bit strong at the moment.
:)
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son of God Churchy is vaping with the rest of us, looks like the dose is a bit strong at the moment.
:)
What's he vaping.. Hashish?
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What the hell is this gibberish? :D
that's what 12 pints of Pravha does to you.
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Great thread!!
I have a similar delam-crack in my match bat's inner edge but glueing hasn't kept the strip of wood down. Do you normally put a vice/pressure device after glueing?
That type of split can easily be sanded flat and rounded as glueing rarely holds.
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Use a needle and syringe to get the glue right into the crack. Modern glues are often stronger than the timber itself.
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As I was gluing the Master 1000 today, I thought I'd remove the scuff sheet from the red master "just in case" any work needed doing.
The scuff sheet came off fairy incident free, there were a couple of things I noticed though...
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_133834_zpsf6hremma.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_133834_zpsf6hremma.jpg.html)
Some small cracks that should hopefully sand out of the toe
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_134136_zpsl56dph9y.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_134136_zpsl56dph9y.jpg.html)
Can you see anything wrong here?
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_133949_zpsmxmzdmfx.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_133949_zpsmxmzdmfx.jpg.html)
The owner clearly likes the inside edge!
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_134058_zpst6msj1kq.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_134058_zpst6msj1kq.jpg.html)
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First up the master 1000
I slightly watered down some PVA glue and used a syringe to get the glue right into all the damaged areas.
I put glue into the bat from both the edge and through the delaminated areas on the face.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_134706_zpslrpfizra.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_134706_zpslrpfizra.jpg.html)
I then used making tape to protect the willow, and wrapped tightly with fibreglass tape to keep everything in place while the glue dries.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_135640_zpsme9ofagj.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_135640_zpsme9ofagj.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_135652_zpstdcgcvlh.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_135652_zpstdcgcvlh.jpg.html)
And as I had plenty of glue left, I did the red master too.
What I thought was a small crack on the edge turned out to be bigger than I anticipated...
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_140219_zpsfgndkkhn.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_140219_zpsfgndkkhn.jpg.html)
And both bats wrapped up to dry.
Credit where it's due - the owner consistently hits the ball in the same place on the bat!
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20161230_141451_zpsvhlngefl.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20161230_141451_zpsvhlngefl.jpg.html)
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Quick update on this. I left both bats a couple of days so the glue could set right into the delaminated area.
First up I removed the tape I had used as a clamp and the stickers.
There was plenty of residue left (the joys of refurbing an SS!)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_143628_zps2da0aalq.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_143628_zps2da0aalq.jpg.html)
The owner wanted the TON stamps removed, so that was the first thing I did while I had the 80 grit paper on the orbital.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_145333_zpsjlngmtuy.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_145333_zpsjlngmtuy.jpg.html)
I then used the 80 grit to remove the sticker residue, and quickly ran the sander over the whole blade to get the worst of the oil marks and sticker imprints off.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_152851_zpslauofm8f.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_152851_zpslauofm8f.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_152926_zpswb4ntgia.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_152926_zpswb4ntgia.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_152948_zpsxxrxe9ij.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_152948_zpsxxrxe9ij.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_153028_zpsnhre4xm2.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_153028_zpsnhre4xm2.jpg.html)
The Master 1000 still has marks where the stickers had been applied, but I still have plenty of sanding to do (120 up to 600 grit) so I hope both bats look nice and clean once I'm finished. If there are some slight sticker imprints left I won't be too upset, as the new stickers the owner is planning to apply should cover these. I will get some close up pictures of the retired area once I've sanded it with a slightly finer paper
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It's a good looking job so far. A shame about the stickers - they did look good.
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Cam, does the blade width taper? Or is it just the camera angle?
Cracking job so far, and I fac&in hate getting sticker glue off
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It's a good looking job so far. A shame about the stickers - they did look good.
I did think they'd look nice cleaned up with the stickers left on, but "the customer s always right" and all.
If he's willing to pay for his bat to be fully stripped back, I won't refuse the job (even if I don't agree with him changing the stickers!) :-[
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Cam, does the blade width taper? Or is it just the camera angle?
Cracking job so far, and I fac&in hate getting sticker glue off
It may just be the camera angle, but I'll measure them now to check :)
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I did think they'd look nice cleaned up with the stickers left on, but "the customer s always right" and all.
If he's willing to pay for his bat to be fully stripped back, I won't refuse the job (even if I don't agree with him changing the stickers!) :-[
Oh completely agree. There ain't no accounting for taste!
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Just measured them and they do indeed taper, Mark! @Northern monkey
These measurements are after I started sanding, so there is a chance these bats were full width once (although I don't think I've taken that much wood off the edges (or tapered them myself, as I try to sand them evenly) to be honest with you!)
Master 1000
Width at ahoulders: 103mm
Width in middle: 105mm
Width at toe: 105mm
Red Master
Width at shoulders: 104mm
Width in middle: 106mm
Width at toe: 105mm
I'll put that down to your incredibly keen eye that you spores that, rather than my dodgy camera angle. :)
And while I was out measuring I got a couple of pictures of the repaired area on the inside edge of the Master 1000.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_165421_zpsvlbdkau3.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_165421_zpsvlbdkau3.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_165432_zpsrno8lagj.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_165432_zpsrno8lagj.jpg.html)
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I've often thought about doing a similar taper on a bat and angling the edges too, just to see how much weight it would save
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Last update of the day on these.
Having decided to try and get most of the work done tonight, I braved the near freezing weather outside to finish the sanding with the orbital.
I have used 120, 180 & 240 grit on the orbital, to get the bats to what I call the "usable but not presentable stage"
These bats are now smooth enough that most people would happily use them, but as my mate is paying me to refurbish them I wouldn't be happy to return them like this.
After sanding with the 240 grit I like to apply a coat of oil. I will now leave these over night, then start the hand sanding (240 up to 600 grit) tomorrow.
The faces I'm fairly happy with
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_201038_zpsjaj5mnyw.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_201038_zpsjaj5mnyw.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_200954_zpsx8pgwqpw.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_200954_zpsx8pgwqpw.jpg.html)
Some big blemishes on the outside edge of the red Master
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_200927_zpsqgzejo25.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_200927_zpsqgzejo25.jpg.html)
And a dark mark, I believe caused by iron in the soil, in the back.
There are still some very prominent sticker marks on the back of the Master 1000
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_201005_zpsv6eematg.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_201005_zpsv6eematg.jpg.html)
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Looking great!
How much weight did the bats lose if any?
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Did you sand out or glue the small cracks on the bat face?
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Did you sand out or glue the small cracks on the bat face?
I glued the delaminated area then sanded the whole face which dealt with the smaller cracks.
And I didn't weigh these before I started, so I don't know how much weight will have been lost. As I was only asked to clean them up I didn't think to get a weight at the start, I wish I had now as that could have been interesting with the fairly thick stickers, scuff sheet and edge tape all being removed before I started sanding.
Edit - you can still see a few cracks, but they've been sealed with glue and sanded so you can't feel then when you run your nail over the damage. A scuff sheet and some edge tape will hide the worse of it, anyway ;)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/20170102_220033_zpskb86gvxq.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/20170102_220033_zpskb86gvxq.jpg.html)
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a great thread and a great job!
I have just purchased a bat from ebay and will be taking the scuff off - in the past I have done so and tend to take up some wood when doing so.
Is there a way to fix this if it happens? or is it just a case of sanding it until it goes?
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Using a heat gun to remove the scuff sheet helps prevent it from happening.
If it does happen just sand it level as the lifted wood fibres aren't usually of significant size
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Using a heat gun to remove the scuff sheet helps prevent it from happening.
If it does happen just sand it level as the lifted wood fibres aren't usually of significant size
thank you for your advice - I shall give it a go when the "new" B3 bat arrives