Custom Bats Cricket Forum
Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: thedon on April 07, 2017, 10:21:18 AM
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Simple request....copy my bat..... weight balance etc...too much to ask?
Had 2 batmakers who couldn't do this...weight has always been out at least 2/3 oz thus affecting balance. I will never go custom again..all hype in my opinion!
Rant over
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Did you explain said issues to the bafmaksrs after?
Generally speaking (providing you gave them the right specs) any maker would be happy to sort such an issue if you've paid for a custom replica and haven't got it
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I sent my bat to them for them to replicate. They said for me to send it back and they'll have a look at it, along with bat I wanted copied. Postage charges...inconvenience of not having my match bat... abit of a pain...why not get it right the first time?
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I sent my bat to them for them to replicate. They said for me to send it back and they'll have a look at it, along with bat I wanted copied. Postage charges...inconvenience of not having my match bat... abit of a pain...why not get it right the first time?
Have to agree its annoyingly inconvenient and to easy to say send it back when your not the one who's being inconvenienced no excuses for non attention to detail.
Try John at Red ink seen his work it's excellent.
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That does sound annoying indeed especially now as the seasons just about to start and you wouldn't want to go into it without your number one.
Agree it should have been done right the first time but you would hope if there was any problems that the batmaker would be swift and straightforward in dealing with the issues. Could you not just send it back alone and say they need to get 2-3 ounces out of it?
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surely to copy a bat exactly is not that straight forward.. for a bat to have exactly the same attributes of shape, size and pick up then the willow density has to be exactly the same. Which I assume is not so straight forward for a small independent bat maker to be precise about.
A higher density bat will always have more weight for the equivalent dimensions and vice a versa. I appreciate that if someone has committed to an exact replica then thats what they should be able to provide but given the natural product willow is unless I was absolutely specific about my requirements then depending on my preferences I would always expect some variation in either shape or weight because of it.
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surely to copy a bat exactly is not that straight forward.. for a bat to have exactly the same attributes of shape, size and pick up then the willow density has to be exactly the same. Which I assume is not so straight forward for a small independent bat maker to be precise about.
A higher density bat will always have more weight for the equivalent dimensions and vice a versa. I appreciate that if someone has committed to an exact replica then thats what they should be able to provide but given the natural product willow is unless I was absolutely specific about my requirements then depending on my preferences I would always expect some variation in either shape or weight because of it.
Totally agree. I wasnt fussed about edge size spine height etc. Just wanted the bat to pick up the same with the same shape.
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surely to copy a bat exactly is not that straight forward.. for a bat to have exactly the same attributes of shape, size and pick up then the willow density has to be exactly the same. Which I assume is not so straight forward for a small independent bat maker to be precise about.
A higher density bat will always have more weight for the equivalent dimensions and vice a versa. I appreciate that if someone has committed to an exact replica then thats what they should be able to provide but given the natural product willow is unless I was absolutely specific about my requirements then depending on my preferences I would always expect some variation in either shape or weight because of it.
That's why you should always come to B3 ;-)
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That's why you should always come to B3 ;-)
He's right, if not humble haha
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Got one done at hunts, couldn't be happier.
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surely to copy a bat exactly is not that straight forward.. for a bat to have exactly the same attributes of shape, size and pick up then the willow density has to be exactly the same. Which I assume is not so straight forward for a small independent bat maker to be precise about.
A higher density bat will always have more weight for the equivalent dimensions and vice a versa. I appreciate that if someone has committed to an exact replica then thats what they should be able to provide but given the natural product willow is unless I was absolutely specific about my requirements then depending on my preferences I would always expect some variation in either shape or weight because of it.
This.
And dont forget, the attachment you have with the shape of a bat is probably in part because of the size of that shape (edge/spine etc). It might seem a simple task to copy a bat, obviously harder if your relying on the skill of a bat maker shaping the thing by hand v a machine. But it aint easy to read a mind! So if i wanted a very specific outcome, then id be sure to be very specific in what my priorities were when discussing the job with the bat maker.
Your conversation went something like this?
"Copy this amazing profile please sir. Can you allow for slightly larger dimensions in the case the cleft you use turns out to be naturally lighter than the cleft used in the original. If not, gradually reduce the dimensions until the bats weigh the same."
If you did that then i dunno. Maybe its just not that easy to copy a bat by hand?
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@thedon Try B3 next time. With the expertise of @Doctor you would save time and money both. Just send them pictures and have a chat with them.
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You may not get the same size bat, it could be slightly larger os smaller but I always try and aim to get reasonably close. Weight shouldn't be an issue as that's a key part of copying. Unless I'm instructed otherwise, I will copy shape and weight and replicate handle to the best of my ability too. The bat maker Should be ashamed sending out a copy of a bat that weights 2-3 oz more. It's not like you can use the unfinished/ finished weight argument as they had the bat there to copy. Weighing the bat ungripped and gripped is the first thing I do.
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If you called your local batmaker and arranged an appointment, they would likely be happy for you to come and visit, together with the bat you want copied. Then you can have the pleasure of watching your new bat get made, hold it, wave it around a bit, and make sure you are comfortable with the end result. The petrol you burn to get there and back may well be less costly than sending bats backwards and forwards in the post.
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If you called your local batmaker and arranged an appointment, they would likely be happy for you to come and visit, together with the bat you want copied. Then you can have the pleasure of watching your new bat get made, hold it, wave it around a bit, and make sure you are comfortable with the end result. The petrol you burn to get there and back may well be less costly than sending bats backwards and forwards in the post.
Very true.....
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That's why you should always come to B3 ;-)
This!!!
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@thedon
My 2 cents ...
If you are disappointed with the edge size/spine height/weight, I would say its understandable. However pick up is a relative thing and I am not sure how a bat maker can meet your pick up expectation. I am not trying to defend the bat-maker but i for one won't hold a bat maker at fault for pick up. If possible, visit the bat maker in person and try to get it done. This way you can feel the blade in your hand and if it feels heavy, the bat maker would be able to fix it right there. If you are living in place where there is no access to bat maker, i would recommend sticking to brands which you have used before and feel comfortable with. Most of the forum retailers can find a bat in your desired spec, but i would still not hold them responsible for pick up.
I live in US and have no access to bat makers. I rely on the judgement of @Vitas Cricket and @Uzi Sports to get my bats. My golden rule - mid to low sweet spot (full or concave profile) i can't handle more than 2lb 9oz & for mid to high sweet spot i can handle upto 2lb12oz(prefer to keep it at 2lb 11oz or lower). I go by this rule but many a times they have very attractive bats which fall outside my comfort zone and i tend to skip it. Pick up might make those bats feel lighter than they are but i am not willing to take that risk. Getting a bat from UK and trying to return it a major shipping hassle (US to UK shipping is completely messed up. Parcel monkey is the cheapest but for the most part i have to chase them for weeks to track a package. Have a GN return back to Asad which is in transit for 3+ weeks now).
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I didnt ask for any particular specs with regard to edge size, spine etc. My specifications were simple, copy the bat shape with the same weight.
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Thought I would update this. So sent the new bat back (along with the bat to be copied) back to talent cricket. Told them it was too heavy and told them it was 3 oz out in weight. Also they put an oval handle in, instead of a round, and 2 months in, they still hadnt sent out the grips i had ordered!
So the reduced weight bat finally came back to me last week. Weight has gone down, but the balance is nothing like the bat I wanted copied.
I have to say I really am disappointed with talent cricket. I asked to speak to the owner no fewer than 4 times, and he was always busy and never called me back. I dont know if I can return the bat for a refund
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Can I ask why you went through a retailer instead of a bat maker?
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Can I ask why you went through a retailer instead of a bat maker?
As I understand, Talent sell custom made bats which are done via Hunts.
Which, after reading the above, really surprises me as I've had no end of bats copied by Hunts, all coming back at virtually the exact same weight (we're talking maybe a few grams either side at most!).
I've never had a bad blade from Hunts personally and I've lost count of how many it's been!
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Can I ask why you went through a retailer instead of a bat maker?
I've always wanted a hunts, and when I initially spoke with one of the guys at talent, he was very knowledgeable and came across very sincere. I thought the process would be easy, seeing I was sending the bat which was to be replicated. Plus I wanted to buy a few other bits and bobs from talent
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Could have got exactly the same thing from us except I tend to make sure the customer gets what they ask for
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33548.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33548.0)
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I've always wanted a hunts, and when I initially spoke with one of the guys at talent, he was very knowledgeable and came across very sincere. I thought the process would be easy, seeing I was sending the bat which was to be replicated. Plus I wanted to buy a few other bits and bobs from talent
Ah ok, I wasn't sure who they used. I would think if they haven't supplied what you have asked for you should be entitled to return.
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Ah ok, I wasn't sure who they used. I would think if they haven't supplied what you have asked for you should be entitled to return.
Depends what was exactly asked for, and whether Talent actually sent his bat on to Hunts or not...
Returns on custom-made items are a tricky one. Legally speaking, a business doesn't actually have to accept a return for an item which was custom-made (unless the item is faulty, however in this instance that isn't the case).
For custom-made bats you're relying solely on the brand's customer service over any actual legal rights.
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Depends what was exactly asked for, and whether Talent actually sent his bat on to Hunts or not...
Returns on custom-made items are a tricky one. Legally speaking, a business doesn't actually have to accept a return for an item which was custom-made (unless the item is faulty, however in this instance that isn't the case).
For custom-made bats you're relying solely on the brand's customer service over any actual legal rights.
Leave Hunts out for a second, if he asked for a copy of an existing bat he sent to them and he doesn't get a copy of it then he hasn't received described goods,it's like ordering kooka gloves and they send a GN equivelent. I don't think it's tricky at all is it?
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Reading up on their terms and conditions, they say they will use their discretion regarding a return on custom bats. Also if they choose to refund, they will deduct £20 for postage etc
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Reading up on their terms and conditions, they say they will use their discretion regarding a return on custom bats. Also if they choose to refund, they will deduct £20 for postage etc
Is the shape close?
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I would say close but not identical. I wouldnt call it an exact bat copy, but I'm not too fussed about that, as long as it's something similar
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Leave Hunts out for a second, if he asked for a copy of an existing bat he sent to them and he doesn't get a copy of it then he hasn't received described goods,it's like ordering kooka gloves and they send a GN equivelent. I don't think it's tricky at all is it?
It's not that simple, as you're not ordering a specific brand it isn't that straight forward.
To put it bluntly, if you order a 'blank Grade 1 custom-made cricket bat' and receive a 'blank Grade 1 custom-made cricket bat' then it leaves you with little to no comeback. I'm not saying any company would actually enforce the law to the letter (I certainly wouldn't!), but legally it's fairly black and white in that sense.
Either way, hopefully it'll be sorted for you @the don!
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I can't speak for talent (they tend to be good, i hear way more customer service horror stories about cricket direct, online stockist and others than i do about talent) but knowing Hunts as well as i do, i know they would want to rectify this. If you don't get anywhere with talent i would suggest contacting them directly. Call 01480 451234 and ask for Duffy.
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Thanks Vitas, I appreciate that. Will give them a ring if talent are no help
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It's not that simple, as you're not ordering a specific brand it isn't that straight forward.
To put it bluntly, if you order a 'blank Grade 1 custom-made cricket bat' and receive a 'blank Grade 1 custom-made cricket bat' then it leaves you with little to no comeback. I'm not saying any company would actually enforce the law to the letter (I certainly wouldn't!), but legally it's fairly black and white in that sense.
Either way, hopefully it'll be sorted for you @the don!
Yeah I am not sure. I would think though a bat is custom because it's made to a specific shape/weight as requested by customer, by our laws here a customer is entitled a refund if goods are faulty or not as described. As has been said though anyone with decent customer service will rectify it before it went any further.