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Title: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on April 27, 2017, 08:52:11 AM
And for a 3 week period, we move over to 50 over cricket. What a time to be alive!

Who are we going for then chaps? I naturally want to say Surrey, but I don't think my mind can tolerate getting to the final for a third successive year and then losing in a horrible fashion...
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: iand123 on April 27, 2017, 09:20:17 AM
Is the next 3 weeks the entire group stage? Assume this means some of the games are on sky too?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on April 27, 2017, 09:35:31 AM
Group stage indeed, correct.

Northants/Warks is on Sky today, 12:30 start. Tomorrow they have Somerset v Surrey.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: iand123 on April 27, 2017, 10:03:38 AM
I'll have to bring the laptop into work whilst i work my 4 week notice then :)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Gurujames on April 27, 2017, 04:14:44 PM
Going to watch Somerset tomorrow, going again on Tuesday.. how I love part-time work. If only it was a little warmer. Hopefully Tom Abell will get some runs. I think he is still in single figures after 4 innings.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on April 28, 2017, 12:58:00 PM
Ben Foakes is mint
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on April 28, 2017, 02:20:37 PM
We're pretty good at this 50 over cricket lark
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on April 28, 2017, 02:33:53 PM
22-5. This is an absolute pasting.

RECALL DERNBACH
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on April 28, 2017, 04:35:32 PM
22-5. This is an absolute pasting.

RECALL DERNBACH

As Elgar fell, I was in t'process of saying "spoke too soon?"
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on April 28, 2017, 05:24:01 PM
22-5. This is an absolute pasting.

RECALL DERNBACH
We're pretty good at this 50 over cricket lark
😂😂😂
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Gurujames on April 28, 2017, 05:36:55 PM
Watched the game, although cold it was well worth it and there was a decent crowd too (lots of retirees). Very poor batting from Somerset to begin with and I thought the batting order was a bit strange but a great result in the end.
Would have like to have seen Sangakara bat longer but Stoneman looked good.

Back there again Tuesday - better have warmed up by then.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: alexhilly1492 on April 28, 2017, 06:42:22 PM
22-5. This is an absolute pasting.

RECALL DERNBACH

Yes it was...... by roelof van der merwe
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on April 30, 2017, 10:28:02 AM
I see we've got Glammy at 7/2, I feel a pattern emerging
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 01, 2017, 10:09:52 AM
Roses game today all, lovely bank holiday TV viewing
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 01, 2017, 02:15:10 PM
Roses game today all, lovely bank holiday TV viewing

 :o :( has to be on the day I'm working a late, doesn't it!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: procricket on May 01, 2017, 03:53:50 PM
Rashid has bowled well here...
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 01, 2017, 04:19:47 PM
Rashid has bowled well here...

he's not a bad bowler, y'know :)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ScottParko on May 01, 2017, 05:50:58 PM
Keaton Jennings racking them up for the mighty Durham today! Nice Michelle for James Weighill too!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 01, 2017, 06:00:42 PM
Great start to the competition for Yorkshire - shame we'll be losing most of our team to von Strauss' benchwarmers.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Sam on May 03, 2017, 02:07:54 PM
Crane bowling for Hampshire on sky right now if anyone wanted to get a look at him.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 03, 2017, 02:42:37 PM
Jonny B off and running in pursuit of 300 plus

Bairstow and Root together-the future of England for many years......and Yorkshire  :)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Woodyspin on May 03, 2017, 02:58:39 PM
Crane bowling for Hampshire on sky right now if anyone wanted to get a look at him.

Watched him for ages now, and he's really proving himself! It's a shame he can't get in the first class side. Few people at my club will tell you i've been talking about it for ages!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: northernboy1987 on May 03, 2017, 03:06:33 PM
YJB racking them up at a rate of knots!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 03, 2017, 03:22:44 PM
top up !!

this lad is such a good player. better than alex hales? hmmmmmm....now let me think for a second  :)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: northernboy1987 on May 03, 2017, 03:43:12 PM
top up !!

this lad is such a good player. better than alex hales? hmmmmmm....now let me think for a second  :)

He's not slowing down either! 150 up!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 03, 2017, 03:46:15 PM
YJB can ton up all he likes, but he still probably won't get in the Champions Trophy XI :(
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 03, 2017, 03:46:23 PM
jesus H Christ

he is giving it some hammer. I cannot believe he is not one of the best one day players in the Country.I just cant.

may be a bit of pent up frustration in his knock..... 
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: northernboy1987 on May 03, 2017, 03:50:14 PM
YJB can ton up all he likes, but he still probably won't get in the Champions Trophy XI :(

Could even double ton up, Root seems happy to just keep giving him the strike.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 03, 2017, 03:56:15 PM
YJB can ton up all he likes, but he still probably won't get in the Champions Trophy XI :(

He remains our most talented player, and the worst treated by the selectors.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 03, 2017, 04:01:22 PM
174 off 112 balls.

blimey!  :)

still going.
Headingley used to be a bowlers wicket  :)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 03, 2017, 04:13:44 PM
He remains our most talented player, and the worst treated by the selectors.

Not denying his talent and his stats are great, but the most talented? Guess that's your opinion. Just think he's going to have a really hard time getting in the side without dropping a bowler
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 03, 2017, 04:35:07 PM
Not denying his talent and his stats are great, but the most talented? Guess that's your opinion. Just think he's going to have a really hard time getting in the side without dropping a bowler

Oh, I accept that that is somewhat of a subjective statement - how do you compare skill sets, etc. I guess what I mean is, I cannot see how he is not better than most of the guys in there.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 03, 2017, 04:41:25 PM
He remains our most talented player, and the worst treated by the selectors.
Really? Let's take the almost certain England top 6 - Roy, Hales, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler.
Bairstow averages less in both ODI and List A (32 in both) than all except Stokes (who averages 2 less in ODI but 1 more in List A), and scores at a slower rate in ODIs (86) than everyone except Root (85).
Billings averages less in ODIs (though he's only played 10) but 12 more in List A, and at a far quicker rate in both. Moeen averages a bit less than YJB but scores a fair bit quicker.
YJB also has less limited overs tons than any of the other 8 candidates to bat in the top 7.

Worst treated by selectors? He's a good player, but it's hard to make a genuine case for him to be first choice for England in limited overs cricket.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 03, 2017, 05:49:13 PM
Really? Let's take the almost certain England top 6 - Roy, Hales, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler.
Bairstow averages less in both ODI and List A (32 in both) than all except Stokes (who averages 2 less in ODI but 1 more in List A), and scores at a slower rate in ODIs (86) than everyone except Root (85).
Billings averages less in ODIs (though he's only played 10) but 12 more in List A, and at a far quicker rate in both. Moeen averages a bit less than YJB but scores a fair bit quicker.
YJB also has less limited overs tons than any of the other 8 candidates to bat in the top 7.

Worst treated by selectors? He's a good player, but it's hard to make a genuine case for him to be first choice for England in limited overs cricket.

Firstly, when I say "worst treated" I refer to his career as a whole rather than purely in one day cricket.  That covers the constant shifting between keeper and specialist bat, the months he spent playing an odd game between periods of 12th man duties (often stopped from playing elsewhere when so doing) and the way he was marked down for - for example - his struggles to walk into a test match on the sub continent after eight weeks without a competitive innings and score freely.  I won't even go into the games he has been withdrawn from.

As regards purely ODI cricket, you seem to fall victim to the lies That are pure statistics.  Aside from the disruption mentioned above - which is always going to produce less from equally talented players than a long run in the team - you fail to take into account that all of the other players you mention apart from Wor Sturkes bat in the top four for their counties, whereas until this season YJB has stayed at five, six or even seven for Yorkshire behind a powerful line up (I recall seeing him bat behind Lyth, Finch, Williamson, Root, Ballance.  Coming in in the 49th over to slog is not good for your average!).

Obviously, any sensible selector would have Root at three, Morgan, Stokes and Buttler in the middle order and at least four first choice bowlers from Woakes, Willey, Plunkett, Rashid and Wood.  That leaves two options:
1. Bairstow replaces one of Hales and Roy.  This is a no-brainer.  He is clearly the most talented player of the three, and we have seen since Roy came on the scene that two pinch hitting openers does not work.
2. He replaces Ali and Root chucks the obligatory pies.

Either works for me - as would my actual preference, which would be Roy, Root, Bairstow, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, Billing, Rashid, Woakes, Willey, Wood.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 03, 2017, 06:19:26 PM
Test matches you've got a fair point, he's done well to prove a lot of people wrong and get to where he is now! I don't think the stats lie though, Bairstow's recent ODI batting has been mostly 50s at a strike rate of 85 after all.

Some valid points, but I differ in that I'd still take both Hales and Roy over Bairstow, both have very good international records and consistently score big runs. If ditching Ali and going with 5 bowlers plus Root, Billings is a better fit for the position and a phenomenon waiting to happen. I like having the extra bowler though, especially when it's a spinner who also does a very good line in important runs after a collapse, so Ali stays.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 03, 2017, 06:39:27 PM
Test matches you've got a fair point, he's done well to prove a lot of people wrong and get to where he is now! I don't think the stats lie though, Bairstow's recent ODI batting has been mostly 50s at a strike rate of 85 after all.

Some valid points, but I differ in that I'd still take both Hales and Roy over Bairstow, both have very good international records and consistently score big runs. If ditching Ali and going with 5 bowlers plus Root, Billings is a better fit for the position and a phenomenon waiting to happen. I like having the extra bowler though, especially when it's a spinner who also does a very good line in important runs after a collapse, so Ali stays.

But...most of those 50s have been after periods of inactivity and have also led to England winning games.  Tough to criticise...

Hales and Roy...do they consistently score big runs? Both have made big score, but carry too many 0s and 1s.  One of them is essential, both for me an unneccessary extravagance when you have a guy like YJB who is way more talented and could play the same role but also build an innings in tricky circumstances.   Big game, sticky seamer, who would you rather have?  Hales aiming wild swings at anything outside off before the inevitable nick off or Bairstow building a patient 60 at 85?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 10, 2017, 10:23:36 PM
Is Gary Ballance colourblind? Or does mixing up the stickers on your bat = ridiculous amounts of runs?
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/262300/262376.3.jpg)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 10, 2017, 10:54:26 PM
I think ive read he is colour blind
Hes in some blinding form at the moment!
Very very good player
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: liscon12 on May 10, 2017, 11:10:27 PM
Just looks like the light is not hitting the back of the bat and not making the stickers seem the same colour to me
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 11, 2017, 05:27:02 AM
He is colorblind - when the round of day night games comes around he is sitting out as a result
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 11, 2017, 08:44:03 AM
Really? Let's take the almost certain England top 6 - Roy, Hales, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler.
Bairstow averages less in both ODI and List A (32 in both) than all except Stokes (who averages 2 less in ODI but 1 more in List A), and scores at a slower rate in ODIs (86) than everyone except Root (85).
Billings averages less in ODIs (though he's only played 10) but 12 more in List A, and at a far quicker rate in both. Moeen averages a bit less than YJB but scores a fair bit quicker.
YJB also has less limited overs tons than any of the other 8 candidates to bat in the top 7.

Worst treated by selectors? He's a good player, but it's hard to make a genuine case for him to be first choice for England in limited overs cricket.
it's not hard at all
Forget averages pick the form guys
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Woodyspin on May 11, 2017, 02:06:35 PM
Is Hales using an Aussie GN? Look like different stickers?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 11, 2017, 02:08:34 PM
Is Hales using an Aussie GN? Look like different stickers?

He was in the Odis so would assume it's the same bat
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Woodyspin on May 11, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
Yeah not the Bow tie type stickers you'd see from the UK range
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Woodyspin on May 11, 2017, 02:12:16 PM
Also classic old woman wondering behind the bowlers arm, without a clue what's going on!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 11, 2017, 02:27:09 PM
I'm please that lady told her what she was doing wrong the moment she got down that end.

Bill walks down the track like Joe as well, it's uncanny
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 11, 2017, 02:52:59 PM
Have to say Hales looks in decent touch, played some monster sixes down the field
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 11, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
He is colorblind - when the round of day night games comes around he is sitting out as a result

How do the lights make things more difficult for colourblind players?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 11, 2017, 02:55:35 PM
How do the lights make things more difficult for colourblind players?

Pink ball
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 11, 2017, 02:57:53 PM
Pink ball

Oh yeah! Another case against it?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 11, 2017, 02:58:21 PM
not an expert on colour blindness but I believe the grass(green) and the pink ball cannot be distinguished differently, as opposed to a red ball and grass can be...

at least I think that's the reason he could not play in that match..
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: LcWoodward on May 11, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Sounds very 'different'
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 11, 2017, 03:07:48 PM
I am red/green colourblind. People can find it very difficult to get their heads around when you try explaining it to them.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 11, 2017, 03:12:51 PM
I am red/green colourblind. People can find it very difficult to get their heads around when you try explaining it to them.

what colour does a cricket ball look to you ? red and green you cannot see?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Woodyspin on May 11, 2017, 03:24:10 PM
A friend once lost the ball in the grass as he was colourblind! He was standing next to it for 5 minutes everyone was just laughing
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 11, 2017, 03:37:30 PM
Rooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 11, 2017, 04:33:00 PM
A cricket ball looks red and grass looks green. It's nuances that can be difficult..

A local league where I live uses orange and pink ball, supposedly to counter the fading light. I have to say I struggle more with the orange one tmore than the pink. Ironically, I struggle with it more when the sun is out.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 11, 2017, 04:38:14 PM
When I play snooker, I can lose the brown. But only if the brown is a particular type of brown and the reds are a darker red.

I once bought green shoes thinking they were brown.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 11, 2017, 08:25:04 PM
Collingwood <3
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 12, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
Please can Ben Foakes play for England, thank you
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 12, 2017, 07:49:04 PM
Please can Ben Foakes play for England, thank you

Seconded.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 12, 2017, 07:50:01 PM
Seems this Vince lad can bat, too.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 14, 2017, 10:33:48 AM
Just got out playing a needless shot straight to cover.

Also Foakes took a screamer to get Roussow out this morning, God he's good
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 14, 2017, 11:21:39 AM
James pattinson looking quick at Trent bridge

I'm sat side on but looks a damn sight quicker than anyone else!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Alvaro on May 14, 2017, 08:35:25 PM
Please can Ben Foakes play for England, thank you

England don't deserve Ben Foakes.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 14, 2017, 08:38:58 PM
Just got out playing a needless shot straight to cover.



That happened just as I arrived. Literally the first ball I saw. Seems I cursed him twice over!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 14, 2017, 09:46:09 PM
England don't deserve Ben Foakes.

You're probably right, but then again whoever is able to dislodge Bairstow will deserve a rather large pint.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 15, 2017, 03:41:26 AM
You're probably right, but then again whoever is able to dislodge Bairstow will deserve a rather large pint.

Yes, though I can see a time in the not too distant future where Bairstow the batsman is too important to allow Bairstow the keeper to continue.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 15, 2017, 04:59:07 AM
Though seemingly much improved, Bairstow is still not a great keeper.

Another county cricket thread turns into a thread about the make up the England team!

I see Ian Bell's finding some form...
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 15, 2017, 12:25:57 PM
Yes, sadly they do seem to come back to that.  I shall try and change it by saying it is encouraging to see how many fringe players have made good starts to the year - Ballance, Bell, Vince, Foakes.  The quality of competition or strength in depth?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 15, 2017, 12:31:11 PM
yes Bats we should stay on topic! im guilty as the next man-it's not all about England  :)

one thing maybe worth pointing out...and I think myself county cricket is not far stronger batting wise than years ago(just look at those names who cannot get in the national side)....

is that the ball does not seem to swing that much early season or much thru the season in the one day games. It's pretty much up and down.
Pitches seem pretty flat most of the time

therefore it's harder to work out who really is that good in the County game, batting wise.Ballance/Vince/Foakes all top players

but are they really tested at County level?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 15, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
To be fair when you've got a really, really good wicketkeeper who's averaging 150 odd in the competition and taken the most dismissals there's nothing wrong with mentioning it.

I'm just glad the competition's been moved this year as well, made for interesting games and a good chunk of player availability
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 15, 2017, 12:35:31 PM
I think that is mostly about the lack of genuine pace in county cricket.  If you were to try and name five bowlers who hit 88mph on a regular basis, who would you go for?

Wood does.  Pattinson I suspect does.  But then who?  Plunkett, Finn and Helm can do it infrequently.  Maybe De Langa and Viljoen, though both seem a tad slower in English conditions and with English demands...
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 15, 2017, 12:38:18 PM
I think that is mostly about the lack of genuine pace in county cricket.  If you were to try and name five bowlers who hit 88mph on a regular basis, who would you go for?

Wood does.  Pattinson I suspect does.  But then who?  Plunkett, Finn and Helm can do it infrequently.  Maybe De Langa and Viljoen, though both seem a tad slower in English conditions and with English demands...

 BRoad was up there against durham and looked quick vs lancs too but that's not regular

What are the currans bowling at? With a. It of age and hard work could one of those fill a void?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 15, 2017, 12:45:48 PM
Both generally around the low/mid 80s
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Alvaro on May 15, 2017, 12:47:10 PM
Colin Ingram is in some kind of form...

Looks like an incredible game at Swansea yesterday; Darren Stevens hit 14 sixes!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 15, 2017, 01:03:05 PM
I think that is mostly about the lack of genuine pace in county cricket.  If you were to try and name five bowlers who hit 88mph on a regular basis, who would you go for?

Wood does.  Pattinson I suspect does.  But then who?  Plunkett, Finn and Helm can do it infrequently.  Maybe De Langa and Viljoen, though both seem a tad slower in English conditions and with English demands...
Although I agree to an extent (lack of serious pace in world cricket, never mind just the counties), there's got to be a decent few who at least semi-regularly hit 88mph in limited overs? Little bit of guesswork as some of these I haven't seen bowl on TV recently, but off the top of my head Fiddy/Meaker/Footitt/Fuller/Overton/Dernbach have all been known to regularly put it down at pace.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 15, 2017, 01:29:09 PM
I would say Footitt is the quickest bowler I have seen in the CC in recent times.

I think there are definitely a lot of club cricketers who would get a bit of a shock if they actually faced some of county cricket's so-called 'dibbly dobblies'.

I'd like to think that Foakes would be picked by England for his keeping; though his good batting form is obviously a bonus.

The scheduling of the county season desperately needs some kind of continuity and consistency, rather than tinkering every year. With this wretched new thing around the corner, I'm not expecting it to come any time soon.

Free live streaming could be an interesting development.



Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: springbok45 on May 15, 2017, 02:39:15 PM
I would say Footitt is the quickest bowler I have seen in the CC in recent times.

I think there are definitely a lot of club cricketers who would get a bit of a shock if they actually faced some of county cricket's so-called 'dibbly dobblies'.


Absolutely, our opening quick is very good and bloody rapid but the best he's been timed at is upper 70's
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 15, 2017, 02:56:16 PM
Facing a County bowler is a scary experience.

but if we are talking about the Championship, I would argue years ago it was better quality. with 2 overseas players allowed.

ummm..anyone fancy facing Sylvester Clarke or Allan Donald  :)  or Joel Garner or Malcolm Marshall.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 15, 2017, 03:03:59 PM
Facing a County bowler is a scary experience.

but if we are talking about the Championship, I would argue years ago it was better quality. with 2 overseas players allowed.

ummm..anyone fancy facing Sylvester Clarke or Allan Donald  :)  or Joel Garner or Malcolm Marshall.

It was bloody brilliant! But county cricket now is a lot better than people give it credit for.

I miss the characters. And being able to remember the games because you understood them as part of a continuing history.

Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 15, 2017, 03:09:06 PM
The scheduling of the county season desperately needs some kind of continuity and consistency, rather than tinkering every year. With this wretched new thing around the corner, I'm not expecting it to come any time soon.

Free live streaming could be an interesting development.
I've quite liked the games being in blocks so far this year, makes the county season a lot easier to follow if you know what competition is currently being played rather than a jumble of 3 going on at once. At first look it seems to have improved the quality too, scores have been pretty high for the most part with a lot of big individual knocks and a fair amount of quality international players around. Please oh please can they sack off the new t20 rubbish and just carry on like this with better coverage! Maybe playing formats in blocks will even let them stop the madness that is scheduling almost all the CC games Monday-Thursday, so that nobody with a job can go and watch them.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 15, 2017, 03:09:22 PM
It was bloody brilliant! But county cricket now is a lot better than people give it credit for.

I miss the characters. And being able to remember the games because you understood them as part of a continuing history.



Yes I agree, I was referring specifically to the standard of bowling, it's a more aggressive entertaining now for sure. but if you look thou @edge 's list of genuine quality bowling(quicks) maybe just me but i'm compleley underwhelmed.

Not sure Dirtbach or Overton are even half decent.

Look back thru County Championship bowling wise...you will find some real quality bowling. And I didn't even mention Waqar and Wasim for Surrey and Lancs.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 15, 2017, 03:14:35 PM
Yes I agree, I was referring specifically to the standard of bowling, it's a more aggressive entertaining now for sure. but if you look thou @edge 's list of genuine quality bowling(quicks) maybe just me but i'm compleley underwhelmed.

Not sure Dirtbach or Overton are even half decent.

Look back thru County Championship bowling wise...you will find some real quality bowling. And I didn't even mention Waqar and Wasim for Surrey and Lancs.
Ha, I'll point out in defence it was only a list of blokes who get it down the other end quickly! I don't think it's just county cricket to be fair, the quality of world fast bowling is not what it used to be.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 15, 2017, 03:14:44 PM
Garth Le Roux and Imran Khan at Sussex.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 15, 2017, 03:16:06 PM
The best spinners used to bowl 8 or 9 hundred overs a year. That's got to make you a better bowler!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on May 15, 2017, 06:52:21 PM
Tino Best playing club cricket in the East Anglia Prem this season. I was lucky enough 12 years ago to get invited to net with Kent 2nd team and academy over the winter and I can say I went from being a decent Prem level bat to a walking wicket against the quicks not just the pace but what these pro's and elite sports players can do with the ball just set you up really.
Not seen any CC or 1day cricket yet this season but footit does look sharp on TV this season
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 15, 2017, 07:07:10 PM
Stood behind the batsman's end to watch Footit bowl at Glos a couple of seasons ago, his bouncer is seeeriously quick. Did not look enjoyable to bat against at all.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Calzehbhoy on May 15, 2017, 07:26:38 PM
@SOULMAN1012 I've heard he is being paid £700 a game to play East Anglian prem!! He's figures haven't been a lot to write home about either!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on May 15, 2017, 07:43:28 PM
@SOULMAN1012 I've heard he is being paid £700 a game to play East Anglian prem!! He's figures haven't been a lot to write home about either!

No idea how much he is being paid by Mildenhall CC to be honest. Quite a big club with lovely facilities and may have a rich sponsor prepared to pay that much. A few of our lads went and watched his first game and he was bowling some real gas by all accounts just didn't make batsmen play enough they said. Must be good to have a player like that in the changing room though get an extra 10% out the others players I would imagine
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 15, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
Tymal Mills' old club?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: JTtaylor145 on May 16, 2017, 02:03:53 PM
@SOULMAN1012 I've heard he is being paid £700 a game to play East Anglian prem!! He's figures haven't been a lot to write home about either!
I hope he isn't on that much!!! I wondered why my subs were so high  :o

Tino plays at the same club I do (Mildenhall) and the same club that T (Tymal) used to play for. I'm a committee member and I can tell you the stories about Tino that are spread around are absolute rubbish. If people think that we can afford to pay someone £700 a game then they clearly do not look at the same financial sheet that I do every month at the committee meeting. He is pretty rapid but is a bit of a target for the umpires too. I could make a few comments but this is a public forum. In summary...don't believe all that you hear people  ;)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: FattusCattus on May 16, 2017, 03:11:49 PM
So £70 a game and a can of 'Ting'?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 16, 2017, 03:16:53 PM
Perhaps it's because I've never played that high a standard. But I've never really understood whether there any regulations regarding the payment of players in the premier leagues? There seems to be a 'nudge/ wink' culture that surrounds it?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: roco on May 16, 2017, 03:25:38 PM
mostly cash in hand but I have know players get paid 10-12k a season plus bonuses and none seemed to go through HMRC

seen a couple leave before the end of the season as the cash ran out and after being paid for 18 weeks would not play the last 2 games for nothing so left and went home
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Batsmansam10 on May 16, 2017, 03:54:26 PM
I feel like Essex are being completely ignored so far this year. Yes, without Cookie they wouldn't be posting the impressive totals they are, but their bowling has been incredible, especially considering that the bowling was the supposed weak spot coming into the season. If only Cook was around for the whole season, seems to give the entire place a lift.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 16, 2017, 04:13:20 PM
I feel like Essex are being completely ignored so far this year. Yes, without Cookie they wouldn't be posting the impressive totals they are, but their bowling has been incredible, especially considering that the bowling was the supposed weak spot coming into the season. If only Cook was around for the whole season, seems to give the entire place a lift.

I don't think we have a test match until July so Cook is around lots....

but if he continues his form in the one dayers you might just lose him to the England selectors  :)

Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 16, 2017, 04:19:55 PM
I feel like Essex are being completely ignored so far this year. Yes, without Cookie they wouldn't be posting the impressive totals they are, but their bowling has been incredible, especially considering that the bowling was the supposed weak spot coming into the season. If only Cook was around for the whole season, seems to give the entire place a lift.
Welcome to the forum Alastair! ;)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 16, 2017, 04:20:51 PM
mostly cash in hand but I have know players get paid 10-12k a season plus bonuses and none seemed to go through HMRC

seen a couple leave before the end of the season as the cash ran out and after being paid for 18 weeks would not play the last 2 games for nothing so left and went home

I was more interested in the cricket administrators' stance than the HMRC's.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: roco on May 16, 2017, 06:08:00 PM
As far as I've seen other than limiting number of overseas there are no limits on paying players as boards leave it to clubs to manage there own finances

I've know teams pay 6/7 players in one way or another but spoke to a few northern guys on here and they have heard of more I think

Doesn't bode well for long term future of club as builds resentment from others below paying for it
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 16, 2017, 06:26:19 PM
I play against teams who pay players and we are not even in the top league in Middlesex.

Don't want to go to far off topic but umpires get about 40 quid a game each that's normal although some clubs will not pay umpires because they cannot afford it. Anyway we have 2 umpires at our club, one gets 40 a game, the other refuses to take any expenses or payment and cycles to our games all over London.

I've told him he is entitled to the money and the club wants to pay him and he said ' I will never take any money as long as you pay to play As players'

I just thought what a terrific attitude to have and we are very lucky to have him  :)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 16, 2017, 06:27:35 PM
I'm sure it can't be a healthy state of affairs.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: six and out on May 16, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
Worcestershire vs Derbyshire on Sky at the moment and some mental cricket going on.

Worcester chasing 210 in 36 after DL and Cotton is bowlibg at K-Cadmore in the mid 80's mph with the keeper up to the stumps whilst he just tries and succeeds mostly to blast everything out the ground!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 17, 2017, 04:02:34 PM
Aaaaaand we've scraped into the QFs after abandonments. Delighted, although whether we deserve it is another matter
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: alexhilly1492 on May 17, 2017, 04:28:39 PM
so its worcs yorks and notts to go through from the north group and Essex somerset and surrey form the south

should make for interesting knockout stages
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 17, 2017, 05:03:46 PM
Wonder how many of our England contingent will be allowed to play the quarter final? Hmmm...
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 17, 2017, 06:02:12 PM
Although I agree to an extent (lack of serious pace in world cricket, never mind just the counties), there's got to be a decent few who at least semi-regularly hit 88mph in limited overs? Little bit of guesswork as some of these I haven't seen bowl on TV recently, but off the top of my head Fiddy/Meaker/Footitt/Fuller/Overton/Dernbach have all been known to regularly put it down at pace.

Okay, Footitt I 'll admit slipped my mind - he can be proper rapid.  Meaker is more of an 85mph, as is Fuller, and Dernbach rarely manages it for more than one ball.  Overton (of the Jamie variety) could be different if he was ever fit enough for us to have a sample size, same with Matt Fisher at Yorkshire)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: edge on May 17, 2017, 06:25:34 PM
Haven't seen him bowl for years admittedly but has Meaker dropped off from being stinking rapid? I'm sure he famously got timed at 97mph at Loughbough a few years ago. Saw Fisher playing county 2s last year and had no idea what all the hype was about, presume he was on the way back from injury or something. Looked distinctly medium pace.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 17, 2017, 06:35:01 PM
Meaker has looked rapid (and good) in recent times. It's surprised me, because I thought he might be done.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on May 17, 2017, 07:00:18 PM
Or ex Colt got Cookie out today !! He will remember that wicket for a while  :)

Well bowled!!!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 17, 2017, 07:49:53 PM
Haven't seen him bowl for years admittedly but has Meaker dropped off from being stinking rapid? I'm sure he famously got timed at 97mph at Loughbough a few years ago. Saw Fisher playing county 2s last year and had no idea what all the hype was about, presume he was on the way back from injury or something. Looked distinctly medium pace.

Last couple of times I've seen Meaker he has bowled quick balls, rather than quick spells.

Fisher was injured most of last year, most of the few games he played were as a batsman.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 18, 2017, 05:40:20 AM
Meaker has a very modern action. Very front-on, you can almost feel the hours in the gym and with the analysts.

Footitt, though slightly ungainly, feels much more natural.

I can never quite understand why it's okay for a left-arm quick to have an angled run up, but not a right-arm. Sure they are bowling a different line to right-handers, but there are plenty of left-handers too. It's not unusual for a team to have more left-handed batsman than righr.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Manormanic on May 18, 2017, 07:04:23 AM
Good question - when I was a mid Greame Dilley came in at close to a right angle, so it can obviously be done. I suspect you may have inadvertently hit on the answer though - a LA Meaker, front on is now the vogue and that needs a very straight angle of approach.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on May 18, 2017, 09:12:56 AM
The coaching books used to encourage a slight angle to get you into a side-on position.

Darren Stevens is the only current right-arm seam bowler in county cricket I can think of who runs in at an angle.

Malcolm Marshall ran in at an angle, but had a front-on action.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on May 18, 2017, 10:36:02 AM
Also Cook has automatically earned selection for next years North/South series, but aren't we due to be in NZ for a test series in March next year?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Sivlar13 on June 13, 2017, 12:10:48 PM
Notts off to a good start, run rate of 8.22!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: smilley792 on June 13, 2017, 12:45:31 PM
Looks like a road where Notts are. 350 up and 9 overs still left.!
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Calzehbhoy on June 13, 2017, 01:57:37 PM
How big is Ben Foaks's bat!!  :o
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on June 13, 2017, 02:09:12 PM
Oh look, Sanga having to carry the team again
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: six and out on June 13, 2017, 03:49:45 PM
the cameras need to be at Taunton, looks like a mental game!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO41448 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO41448)

Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: northernboy1987 on June 13, 2017, 03:50:07 PM
Oh Sanga, how we'll miss you :)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Calzehbhoy on June 13, 2017, 03:53:01 PM
the cameras need to be at Taunton, looks like a mental game!

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO41448[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO41448[/url])


Patel going at 15's!!  :(
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on June 13, 2017, 03:54:12 PM
Patel going at 15's!!  :(


Here you go http://www.somersetcountycc.co.uk/news/club-news/somerset-v-notts-outlaws-live-stream/ (http://www.somersetcountycc.co.uk/news/club-news/somerset-v-notts-outlaws-live-stream/)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on June 16, 2017, 02:40:26 PM
Alastair bloody Cook
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on June 16, 2017, 03:07:43 PM
Alastair bloody Cook

Bloody good one day batter stay in scores 130 odd and team bat around him
And score big, seems to be working for Essex this season having him back more this summer is doing them no harm in 50 over and championship
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: InternalTraining on June 16, 2017, 03:21:33 PM
Zaidi is using a MIDS bat with SF stickers? Eagle eyed CBFers, please confirm. :D

PS: It is a MIDS, he didn't even bother to cover the edges. :D
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: sfa82 on June 16, 2017, 03:54:10 PM
Strong finish by Tendo! Total built on the foundation built by Cook century.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: csnew on June 16, 2017, 07:15:16 PM
Some chase so far from notts. That b3 sounds like a gun
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: ppccopener on June 16, 2017, 07:47:52 PM
Ton up for big Samit it's a takeaway treat tonight for him and the dude with the B3 might be increasing their bat sales tommorow!

  :)
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Alvaro on June 16, 2017, 07:59:37 PM
People having a go at Samit's fitness, Cook was walking singles in the last ten overs of the Essex innings

Samit is a quality player.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Alvaro on June 16, 2017, 08:01:06 PM
Some chase so far from notts. That b3 sounds like a gun

He gets some good sticks...

The one he used in the 2015 RLODC semi at the Oval was the best bat I've seen and heard live.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: rickjames on June 17, 2017, 10:43:41 AM
Nice to see Roy back in touch a little bit
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: GoodLeave on June 17, 2017, 12:14:08 PM
Anyone know why Sanga is batting with one Kippax glove and one DSC?

Village?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Calzehbhoy on June 17, 2017, 01:29:34 PM
Anyone know why Sanga is batting with one Kippax glove and one DSC?

Village?

I watched the QF and he went through about 6 pairs of gloves and ended up with odd gloves on. Wonder if it's similar in the SF.
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on June 17, 2017, 11:11:20 PM
Anyone know why Sanga is batting with one Kippax glove and one DSC?


Because he can?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on June 17, 2017, 11:12:19 PM
He gets some good sticks...

The one he used in the 2015 RLODC semi at the Oval was the best bat I've seen and heard live.

Crikey! Is it possible to make such judgements?
Title: Re: Royal London One Day Cup 2017
Post by: Mortimer on June 18, 2017, 09:38:58 AM
Anyone know why Sanga is batting with one Kippax glove and one DSC?

Does Mark Stoneman use Kippax? Maybe he borrowed one from him