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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: tim2000s on May 26, 2017, 07:18:31 AM
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Has anyone tried Ganador helmets yet? Aside from having a name that means "Winner" in Spanish, I can't find any reference to BSI testing on the Amazon apges so I wondered if anyone had tried them out....
(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41WAcCSdmXL._AC_UL246_SR190,246_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Helmets-GANADOR-Cricket/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A453590031%2Cp_4%3AGANADOR (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Helmets-GANADOR-Cricket/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A453590031%2Cp_4%3AGANADOR)
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The different colours appears to be their USP, which I can't see having a huge impact tbh. They look similar to the masuri OS2 lid to me. I thought you had to have the certificate before you could sell them in the UK?
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think IJC will be reviewing soon
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Oh goody! will they be bouncing their balls off one?
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They've already review their bats 😐
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I'm not sure about the helmets, but these beauts have been reviewed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXONS7rf2b8&t=22s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXONS7rf2b8&t=22s)
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Wonder if they can name the bat maker?
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I imagine so, seeing as they have a strict handpicking philosophy
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Why anyone would choose to stock a totally unheard of brand is beyond me - they're not even good value for money?
http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/ganador-heritage-grade-2-cricket-bat-p1911 (http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/ganador-heritage-grade-2-cricket-bat-p1911)
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that bat aint bad for a grade 2 :)
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Dean @Vulcan Cricket has been using this helmet all season
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Why anyone would choose to stock a totally unheard of brand is beyond me - they're not even good value for money?
[url]http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/ganador-heritage-grade-2-cricket-bat-p1911[/url] ([url]http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/ganador-heritage-grade-2-cricket-bat-p1911[/url])
Can't you get grade 2 H4L bats for the same price that are made entirely in the uk
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Dean @Vulcan Cricket has been using this helmet all season
Really? I thought he used a Shrey?
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Can't you get grade 2 H4L bats for the same price that are made entirely in the uk
Exactly!
There's plenty of places you can get a UK made G1 for under £240 too (ironically even IJC themselves stock a brand that sells UK made G1s for less!!!)
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Don't hunts do customs for less than this where you can go and see the bat being made?
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Don't hunts do customs for less than this where you can go and see the bat being made?
They do indeed, bloody good day out it was too!
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Yep, substantially less through @Vitas Cricket I believe - there isn't a better value bat on the market IMO
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Really? I thought he used a Shrey?
No, one of these but with a fixed grill
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Isn't Ganador where the Hobbit's escaped from - you know, where that big dragon lived?
Or is it Geordie for 'going outdoors'?
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I think £240 is asking quite a lot for these.
I am a master of understatement....
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Bit off-topic, but has anyone seen this?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFEEbUqXi0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFEEbUqXi0)
Skip to 3:30 - the state of that Viking :( - surely no-one else knocks in their bats like this?!
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Indentations are not good!
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Bit off-topic, but has anyone seen this?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFEEbUqXi0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFEEbUqXi0)
Skip to 3:30 - the state of that Viking :( - surely no-one else knocks in their bats like this?!
Someone's gone a bit loco with the lignum vitae!!! That bat looks ruined...
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It depends on how soft the pressing was to begin with.
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I have just interviewed the person responsible for knocking the bats in for IJC!
I did ask him why did the bats end up with so many dents but he just kept repeating the same word...."SMASH"
(http://i551.photobucket.com/albums/ii471/petehosk/HulkBash_zpslgnzhmkz.jpg)
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Looks like hes been hitting that with my hammer at work 😂😂
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The softer pressed bats do dent more easily. I have two bats I'm knocking in and one does looks much more dented than the other. No real difference to the knocking in method. I would say the bats need more knocking in until the dents merge into a nearly flat face.
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I have been away at uni, so not involved with IJC at all for a few weeks, too busy revising (finally finished today thank god!)
Having spoken to Paul about them, he assures me they are handpicked to the usual standards. TBH the one with 16 grains may officially be a G2 but that's nonsense. It's more like £240 for a G1 or a G1+ with that particular one.
Concaving not for me at all, but it does allow them to be big and light - which a lot of customers like. We are the more educated on the forum about bats and such, but many customers just want the thickest edge, lightest bat. It's more a reflection of the market than it is Paul/IJC team.
We will be stocking their helmets soon - lowest starts at £35 from memory, so a decent value adult helmet, for the club bag or something similar.
As for knocking in - can't comment. Haven't knocked in a bat for years, did far too much of that age 16!
Any further questions, let me know - and good luck this weekend, hope the weather holds for everyone!
CBD
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Indentations are not good!
Agreed, as Nick says, surely the point is to knock all the softer willow evenly, so whilst the face won't be perfectly even it shouldn't have any major dents.
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A properly knocked in bat should have as even a surface as possible and not leaving peaks and troughs (albeit small ones).
The surface of the bat should still be as flat as when it was new, just a bit lower in height after the willow has been compressed.
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Someone's gone a bit loco with the lignum vitae!!! That bat looks ruined...
Looks fine to me.
CP seems to be making some great bats although I haven't seen one live.
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We're not getting into this soft pressing malarkey again are we... come on, I'm amazed people are still falling for it!
A bat is either pressed properly, or isn't - soft pressing has to be the biggest myth going!!
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Oooooooooh! Get her!😮
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Looks fine to me.
CP seems to be making some great bats although I haven't seen one live.
Well, we can beg to differ. Looks a rush job with a hard mallet to me. :)
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In agreement with everyone re the indentations not being good / poor knocking in . For me a fully knocked in bat should be almost as flat as a freshly rolled/new bat. When you get indentations its a sign to knock in lighter . Once this lighter knocking has done its job (without dents) you begin knocking in harder . You should get to a point where the same hardness of knocking that was previously denting no longer is causing dents . Then increase hardness of knocking in firmer etc until you can give it a fairly good whack right across the blade without indentation.
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I'm not sure about the helmets, but these beauts have been reviewed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXONS7rf2b8&t=22s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXONS7rf2b8&t=22s)
Jeezzzzzz the concaving on that thing is ridiculous.... I reckon you could nearly see through it if you held it to the light
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Bit off-topic, but has anyone seen this?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFEEbUqXi0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDFEEbUqXi0)
Skip to 3:30 - the state of that Viking :( - surely no-one else knocks in their bats like this?!
Is it just me or does Paul look stoned in all of his videos? 🍄🚬
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His hand eye coordination is worse than usual.
May have raided the platinum lounge tizers...
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This may explain Ganador. The latest IJC video - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMS2sBNq05Q
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This may explain Ganador. The latest IJC video - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMS2sBNq05Q
Why was he talking like the love child of Ali G and that Chicken Conesseur bloke... ???
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Why was he talking like the love child of Ali G and that Chicken Conesseur bloke... ???
Ye - it's perhaps not my favourite IJC video....
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This may explain Ganador. The latest IJC video - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMS2sBNq05Q
Oh dear
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUzP-5Nq4Bg&t=442s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUzP-5Nq4Bg&t=442s)
£399.99
Did I hear that correctly?
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http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/ganador-royal-cricket-bat-p1931 (http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/ganador-royal-cricket-bat-p1931)
Baffling
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Look at the stickers on the back! More bubbles than an XL bottle of Fairy.
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How can you try and get away with that as a grade 1 + bat? Most of h4l's grade 2's look nicer than that
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How can you try and get away with that as a grade 1 + bat? Most of h4l's grade 2's look nicer than that
This was literally my first thought haha. First time I've seen pin knots in a G1+++++++++++++
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This may explain Ganador. The latest IJC video - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMS2sBNq05Q
'This video has been removed by the user' .
Hahahahaha .
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'This video has been removed by the user' .
Hahahahaha .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUzP-5Nq4Bg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUzP-5Nq4Bg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUzP-5Nq4Bg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUzP-5Nq4Bg)
Yeah, i know , watched this one already (pretty steep for a new brand/controversial grading/questionable finishing etc).
I meant that the earlier ali g-chicken guy vid which people commented on negatively has been removed ..... maybe the forum wields more influence than we could ever know ?
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Yeah, i know , watched this one already (pretty steep for a new brand/controversial grading/questionable finishing etc).
I meant that the earlier ali g-chicken guy vid which people commented on negatively has been removed ..... maybe the forum wields more influence than we could ever know ?
Btw , I'm really disappointed /disillusioned by ijc lately . From stocking unknown/new brands at ridiculous prices , to dodgy looking knocking in service , the awkward aussie/angry scotsman/drunk gypsie malarkey, discontinued stocking of brands which i actually know and like, videos appearing more sporadically, the g.m issue , etc etc , I'm not sure how seriously i can take them anymore .
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Don't worry mate, we are a group of Division 7 cricketers who only make up 0.01% of their customer base (not my words)
I wouldn't think they are too bothered about our opinions.
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Cant work out whats worse, the price of those bats or the gun sound effects on the video
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Don't worry mate, we are a group of Division 7 cricketers who only make up 0.01% of their customer base (not my words)
For real? Clearly haven't watched their own net videos in that case lol
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Don't worry mate, we are a group of Division 7 cricketers who only make up 0.01% of their customer base (not my words)
I wouldn't think they are too bothered about our opinions.
I'll show them division 7 ! ... I've seen Paul bowl on youtube , and lets just say I'd love to feast on that bowling week in week out ! :D
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Don't worry mate, we are a group of Division 7 cricketers who only make up 0.01% of their customer base (not my words)
I wouldn't think they are too bothered about our opinions.
Did they actually say this?
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Did they actually say this?
One of them did, yes. They aren't sponsors anymore so doesn't make a difference if it's out there now. We are just a bunch of average village cricketers who think we know more than we do.
I for one, am not arguing about the first bit. Never pretended to be anything else
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One of them did, yes. They aren't sponsors anymore so doesn't make a difference if it's out there now. We are just a bunch of average village cricketers who think we know more than we do.
I for one, am not arguing about the first bit. Never pretended to be anything else
Wow. I never knew this. I am village, so no arguments from me, but to say this after many supported them, me included, is just shocking.
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One of them did, yes. They aren't sponsors anymore so doesn't make a difference if it's out there now. We are just a bunch of average village cricketers who think we know more than we do........
Hmmmm! A bunch of average cricketers? Has anyone actually seen Paul and Amos net? Although it would be more than generous to call them average!
Granted that a lot of us are pretty average and I am certainly including myself in that!! But we are here due to a genuine enjoyment and passion for the game
And lack of knowledge? We certainly know a below average bat at an inflated price when we see one! ;)
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Doesn't matter what level people play or how good they are when a bat gives you that enjoyment does it really matter.
I mean lets be honest all bats make you 10 per cent better anyway in your mind I spent half a season thinking I was Trott after getting reject. I even started smashing everything through midwicket.
As for this bat do they know where t was made!!!
Was it handpicked 400 quid my days
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Bindi has left IJC - hence the video being removed. Don't want to go into it too much but a few issues here and there so best we parted company.
RE Ganador Royal - the one which has sold Paul ranked number one in Top 5 bats - sold instantly.
I agree that a lot is overshadowing the good stuff atm. I'm hardly involved at all these days (very very very little if I'm honest) but it's sad to see Paul who I think is truly a decent man despite everything that may come across, overshadow the very exciting stuff like The Viking Platinum, Plat Lounge, Trustpilot 5* reviews etc, with some questionable things like this.
Whatever we think of IJC, sad to see any cricket retailer in this state really.
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To clarify, it wasn't Paul who made those comments.
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There are many reasons why retailers would want to stock a smaller brand, such as Ganador. It can be anything from the more attractive payment terms which the smaller brands offer (such as sale or return/60 day payments) through to the better service you'll likely get from a smaller brand in fewer retailers (The Viking deal is a great example of that).
I get why people are suspicious or don't understand it, after the whole ethos stuff which was spouted on here over and over again but I hope IJC are doing ok. It's a tough world being a retailer.
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but for how long has It's Just Cricket been based out of a storage unit only? Or is there a shop as well? Also, how can a profiting cricket shop only be open one day a week? It all seems rather bizarre.
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but for how long has It's Just Cricket been based out of a storage unit only? Or is there a shop as well? Also, how can a profiting cricket shop only be open one day a week? It all seems rather bizarre.
I imagine the 1 day a week means it's no longer offering full time employment to Paul and he's working elsewhere Tues-Sat. It's online sales probably dwarf the offline stuff so keeping costs down is important, hence the storage unit and limited access hours.
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Is the platinum lounge and the room next to it just storage units which he rents?
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Is the platinum lounge and the room next to it just storage units which he rents?
As far as I know yes, but taking into account the cost of rent for anything commercial in London it's a good idea (and also enables a good location close to the Oval!). Obviously not ideal, but I can't imagine many sports store would have much luck making a profit whilst forking out rent in Central London.
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Is the platinum lounge and the room next to it just storage units which he rents?
Yes, but to be fair what more did you need. Passing trade is less of a thing. They are hardly missing out on people walking down the street and suddenly deciding they need to buy a bat and some pads. They are proper rooms too, not garage units. Fully lit, carpeted, heated etc. A good number of businesses who just need an office do this now. Makes good business sense to me.
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Everything said here is correct. PC can work a couple other days at another job to keep IJC going, we don't really rely on passing trade, so not missing out too much on that, plus the storage units are more like Flexi-offices, as @mdg20 says, and especially the Platinum Lounge which we have smartened up a fair bit.
The benefit to the customer of the appointment only service is obvious - undivided attention on a one-on-one basis, much like getting a bespoke suit fitted, the member of staff will be able to give 100% focus to the individual client, and also we are able to do early morning and late evening appointments to suit the needs of the buyer!
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I agree with what you say @chrisbd about being able to give a better, more tailored service using the appointment method but on the flip side I feel it puts potential buyers off from coming as they could feel pressured into buying a bat (not by yourselves) but by the mere process of having to book an appointment, I for one would definitely feel like that if I was making someone come to open the store in order to sell me a bat.
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I agree with what you say @chrisbd about being able to give a better, more tailored service using the appointment method but on the flip side I feel it puts potential buyers off from coming as they could feel pressured into buying a bat (not by yourselves) but by the mere process of having to book an appointment, I for one would definitely feel like that if I was making someone come to open the store in order to sell me a bat.
I think that's a very valid point. That's why we have the store open all day on a Monday so people can come in when it's open as usual, for a slightly more informal, less intense look around. Plus, Paul lives about 5 minutes from the shop, it's on his way home most days, and so it isn't a hassle at all for him to open up - he's usually in there anyway doing some book keeping or accounting / videos anyway.
Most people who book appointments are committed to purchasing anyway, but we do understand that and try to accommodate browsers on a Monday, and even for an appointment. No pressure from us - most people find a bat they love anyway so it works, but if not it's not a stress at all!
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@chrisbd just saw the email saying you guys are dropping from two units to one. Does this mean that you don't carry a great deal of stock (e.g. Pads, gloves etc) for walk ins and the main stock there is bats? I haven't been to the platinum lounge but did visit Paul in the single unit and think (correct me if I'm wrong) you had some sort of warehouse for the bulk of the stock that wasn't bats
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We have moved to one showroom yes but also a larger storage unit on site which is underneath the building which the Lounge is in. Lounge currently has pretty much bats only in but when requesting an appointment we ask customers what they are looking for and can then bring up a few options in preparation!
Cbd
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sounds like downsizing until a final exit. unfortunate, as I always thought IJC had the foundation to be a strong retailer being in London. But it seems a bit odd for a shop based in England, to not stock most of the bats the majority of English professional players use. I would assume most people come in asking for a big brand (or at least have a choice).
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I think it's just bloody hard to run a cricket shop, sadly. Paying rent and upkeep on a shop, which essentially does 2 months of trading a year.
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I think it's just bloody hard to run a cricket shop, sadly. Paying rent and upkeep on a shop, which essentially does 2 months of trading a year.
This - there's good reason there aren't many specialist sports shops around anymore!
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Ganador do interesting equipment their straps on the pads are amazing it is a comfy mesh they use and they use the mesh on the inside of the Helmet too which is washable and removable too, i have one from an indian international and it is fantastic
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Ganador do interesting equipment their straps on the pads are amazing it is a comfy mesh they use and they use the mesh on the inside of the Helmet too which is washable and removable too, i have one from an indian international and it is fantastic
Sure you do... Hi Mr Ganador :D
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Ganador do interesting equipment their straps on the pads are amazing it is a comfy mesh they use and they use the mesh on the inside of the Helmet too which is washable and removable too, i have one from an indian international and it is fantastic
Indian international :o :o :D
talk about making stuff up !
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Pitch forks at the ready!
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Sure you do... Hi Mr Ganador :D
You old cynic ;)
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Indian international :o :o :D
talk about making stuff up !
Punam Raut was wearing one in the World Cup final.
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Cynic indeed haha - we've all seen it before lol