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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: csnew on June 08, 2017, 11:06:15 AM
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Decided that I needed a bat for erm...an unknown reason (CB forum syndrome)
Ended up with this Kookaburra Kahuna Players edition
Rushed into work to find this delivered! (We all know not to get bats delivered at home :D)
The Disappointment! How is this seriously a players edition bat, seen better looking bats from sports direct.
The price point of this bat is £400!!!
(https://s14.postimg.org/9qs1q1tjl/IMG_2470.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4fd55c7gt/)
(https://s14.postimg.org/fszogjhzl/IMG_2468.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/nyhqep68d/)
(https://s14.postimg.org/74cj942c1/IMG_2476.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ex37138b1/)
(https://s14.postimg.org/ngmkyugnl/IMG_2475.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ovo5nkhql/)
(https://s14.postimg.org/stbfcz4k1/IMG_2474.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/64m8den65/)
(https://s14.postimg.org/4quli3nwx/IMG_2473.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/4quli3nwt/)
Definitely going straight back without bouncing a ball on it.
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Get your money back and come and see me.... david@b3cricket.com
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Get your money back and come and see me.... david@b3cricket.com
Cheeky, but I agree, money back and head straight to B3. :D
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i agree, if only you could see what i had delivered this week :)
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Decided that I needed a bat for erm...an unknown reason (CB forum syndrome)
Ended up with this Kookaburra Kahuna Players edition
Rushed into work to find this delivered! (We all know not to get bats delivered at home :D)
The Disappointment! How is this seriously a players edition bat, seen better looking bats from sports direct.
The price point of this bat is £400!!
Definitely going straight back without bouncing a ball on it.
Not sure if you have seen pictures of Warner replicas by GN but their faces don't look great. They have amazing ping and performance though. New GN big bats hitting stores in July. :) New Warner and Velocity look great. 👍
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Take that heartwood away and that a lovely looking blade
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Have seen plenty like that in the last couple of years, in terms of pure looks there are some nicer ones which is why handpicking can be important, we do have some nice top end Ghosts but for £400 we have a number of arguably better options from a range of brands.
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Have seen plenty like that in the last couple of years, in terms of pure looks there are some nicer ones which is why handpicking can be important, we do have some nice top end Ghosts but for £400 we have a number of arguably better options from a range of brands.
Was in a bit of a rush to buy hence online. Might take a trip down to you and pick something up
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Ive got a 6 grain G2 that looks very similar to that and is half of the £400 asking price!
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You would expect more than 6 grains for £400.00 maybe it's a pinger.
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OK i will ask.....How does it ping?
I agree for a 400 quid bat i would expect maybe an extra grain or 2 but really after seeing the warner editions and some of the 50+ gn bats (saw one with 4 grains!) im not surprised
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Grains look great but who cares about grains if a bat pings like a trampoline monkey high on caffeine!
This grain madness is just ridiculous!
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OK i will ask.....How does it ping?
I agree for a 400 quid bat i would expect maybe an extra grain or 2 but really after seeing the warner editions and some of the 50+ gn bats (saw one with 4 grains!) im not surprised
They are very large bats though, a standard Kahuna is not.
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They are very large bats though, a standard Kahuna is not.
Purely comparing from a price point of view,
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This looks like a belter tbh.. straight grains on both front and back.
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It's not awful.
But it's not special either.
For 400 notes I'd atleast like some character...
For me, 6 straight grains and a blemish is middle of the road mediocrity (somewhere between G1 and G2)
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Grains look great but who cares about grains if a bat pings like a trampoline monkey high on caffeine!
This grain madness is just ridiculous!
For £400.00 you want grains and trampoline ping.
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For £400.00 you want grains and trampoline ping.
And someone to carry it out to the middle.
And back to the pavilion 30 seconds later.
Even the edges are "Meh" (assume the dents aren't Kooka's fault)
Edit: Sorry for piling on the misery, I think I'm just disappointed for you!
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It's not awful.
But it's not special either.
For 400 notes I'd atleast like some character...
For me, 6 straight grains and a blemish is middle of the road mediocrity (somewhere between G1 and G2)
Exactly my point - I would expect it to ping and look like a G1+ at that price. Not sure how QC let that out of the factory with a players label on it, seen far better looking SG bats at 1/3 of the price.
I'll give it a test at home with a old ball just to see if it's graded on ping.
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Worse than some SG sunny tonnys or King Cobras from the same factory that are half that price.
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For £400.00 you want grains and trampoline ping.
By grains, you mean good looking grains I take it. Why are grains so important? Do grains have any relevance to the bat's ping? Bats with ugly grains, blemishes, and knots can also ping like caffeinated monkey on a trampoline. Consumers are duping themselves and participating in (high) price racket by laying so much emphasis on grains. I say, forget grains, and grade bats on ping only.
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i agree, if only you could see what i had delivered this week :)
if only there was a bespoke forum for photographs of delicious looking willow...
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A very average looking Grade 2 bat will do not it for that price.
If a 400 quid bat looks that poor, then it would need to ping like a nutter, make a cup of tea on demand, and pop to the Chinese whenever I fancied a stir fry to justify that price! Only then would it be a keeper!! ;)
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Take a look at the low density H4L that sold for £450. Id want something like that for the £400-£450 bracket im afraid as youre paying a premium for both looks/size and performance.
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Take a look at the low density H4L that sold for £450. Id want something like that for the £400-£450 bracket im afraid as youre paying a premium for both looks/size and performance.
And Jos' mortgage.
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By grains, you mean good looking grains I take it. Why are grains so important? Do grains have any relevance to the bat's ping? Bats with ugly grains, blemishes, and knots can also ping like caffeinated monkey on a trampoline. Consumers are duping themselves and participating in (high) price racket by laying so much emphasis on grains. I say, forget grains, and grade bats on ping only.
Don't think we are duping ourselves rather the opposite at £400.00 nothing wrong with wanting good looks grains and ping
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Don't think we are duping ourselves rather the opposite at £400.00 nothing wrong with wanting good looks grains and ping
I am talking in general terms and not just about this situation.
No bat is worth 400 GBP.
I'd happily pay 200 GBP for an ugly duckling of a bat that is big and pings like a trampoline.
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By grains, you mean good looking grains I take it. Why are grains so important? Do grains have any relevance to the bat's ping? Bats with ugly grains, blemishes, and knots can also ping like caffeinated monkey on a trampoline. Consumers are duping themselves and participating in (high) price racket by laying so much emphasis on grains. I say, forget grains, and grade bats on ping only.
They are hard and getting harder to come by and are considered desirable, I'd say that's why you pay a premium for many grains.
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Maybe it is graded on performance and it is a light cleft and good size for the weight? What is the weight on this one and edges/spine/concaving
Agree that for 400, you would expect better looking but you never know until you check the ping and weight/pickup relative to size..
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I take it the Kook Players bats no longer have the burnt in ' Players ' on the bottom/back?
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Perhaps it would actually be a good idea if we paid more income tax?
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I take it the Kook Players bats no longer have the burnt in ' Players ' on the bottom/back?
First post shows the players stamp on the back side of the bat. Or am i missing something?
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First post shows the players stamp on the back side of the bat. Or am i missing something?
You're missing something! That's a sticker.
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You're missing something! That's a sticker.
Oh fair point .. u are right ....
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@csnew - Guess u were looking for something like this ???
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/saravdsrc/IMG_8195_zpswttcqugq.jpg)
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/saravdsrc/IMG_8194_zpslgeddvzd.jpg)
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@sanredrose Something like that!
Edges: 40mm
Spine: 60mm
Weight:2 lb 9.5
It is pressed fairly softly - ping is average. So not stickered as a players based on ping either.
Going back first thing tomorrow
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@csnew - Pic posted above was from IJC. If you are interested then reach out to them. They may be able to provide price and spec info.
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I do not mind the look of that bat, maybe I'm not picky but I guess it all about the user.
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I do not mind the look of that bat, maybe I'm not picky but I guess it all about the user.
I agree Dave I think the bat looks ok £400 is a lot for a bat but I would say it's G1, but it's your hard earned money and if you don't like it return it and maybe but from forum sponsor as we go get some great willow from here.
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I take it the Kook Players bats no longer have the burnt in ' Players ' on the bottom/back?
They haven't actually been players for 2 years now, so I personally was a little shocked it was still £400. They were burnt (I think) 4 years ago, then moved to a sticker and for last year and this year the model has been called 'Pro'
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@csnew - Guess u were looking for something like this ???
([url]http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/saravdsrc/IMG_8195_zpswttcqugq.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm174/saravdsrc/IMG_8194_zpslgeddvzd.jpg[/url])
Different bat, toe gaurd is different colour?
Low density willow usually has fewer grains, six or so. Maybe it's pro for performance not looks?
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These are the 2017/18 Kahuna's. The one being talked about is 2016/17 range.
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I think it's 15/16 isn't it?
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I think it's 15/16 isn't it?
E16 on the shoulder
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How did this end up? @csnew
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Worse than some SG sunny tonnys or King Cobras from the same factory that are half that price.
I'm not sure why this is either @Shinpathy , the grain count on Kookaburras in the shops appeared to drop last season and the price seemed to jump with grade 3 selling in shops at over A$500 here in Adelaide. Bloody expensive stickers. So many other things go into worksing out the final the price I guess.
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SG offer different units for overseas clients which would be away from SG domestic.
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Sure... Just like you'd believe when Jason Mallet says he gets his SS tons that are export quality and thus are much better than domestic Indian ones.
Or when he advertises that Gautam Gambhir uses the same SG PE as the ones he sells.
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Sure... Just like you'd believe when Jason Mallet says he gets his SS tons that are export quality and thus are much better than domestic Indian ones.
Or when he advertises that Gautam Gambhir uses the same SG PE as the ones he sells.
Why are you bringing Jason in to this ?
Looks a decent stick for the money even if an earlier model.
500+ runs between now and the end of the season and I'm sure the op will be happy.
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Sure... Just like you'd believe when Jason Mallet says he gets his SS tons that are export quality and thus are much better than domestic Indian ones.
I don't know what Jason said, but SS do offer customization for foreign retailers. If you notice ProCricShop and CricMax in USA, they have a complete new line up SS bats. However the export versus domestic might be a different story. For example, bats send to US & UK are generally sold at higher prices compared to ones sold in India. So its possible that they might want to treat overseas customer better than local ones.
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I don't know what Jason said, but SS do offer customization for foreign retailers. If you notice ProCricShop and CricMax in USA, they have a complete new line up SS bats. However the export versus domestic might be a different story. For example, bats send to US & UK are generally sold at higher prices compared to ones sold in India. So its possible that they might want to treat overseas customer better than local ones.
He blatantly says the overseas top models are of much higher quality than the ones Indians get in one of videos.
Pretty sure a top end ton reserve is the same whether from crowncricketer or a US/UK company, and with the UK case being different stickers.
Retailers like Jason probably get the bats much cheaper than even the domestic general population from India.
He has to run a business in which he needs to mark up his profits as much as he can, and using such said marketing gimmicks is to probably discourage people directly sourcing bats from India and to rather buy it through hin.
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He blatantly says the overseas top models are of much higher quality than the ones Indians get in one of videos.
It may be true in some cases but not always. One or two special bats based on request could have been specially made but not all of them.
Pretty sure a top end ton reserve is the same whether from crowncricketer or a US/UK company, and with the UK case being different stickers.
Top end is always ton reserve or gladiator. They just use different stickers based on the country and honestly i don't think they are any different. U can get it from India or UK or US, all would be the same.
Retailers like Jason probably get the bats much cheaper than even the domestic general population from India.
I am not sure if its cheaper than price offered by SS to local Indian retailers. For example - I visited a cricket shop in Chennai and the dealer was willing to sell a Gladiator for 23,000 INR which is a little close to USD 350. You can't get a retailer to sell a Gladiator bat in US for anything lower than USD 425. CSO tends to make it too pricey by labelling the Gladiator at USD 699, which is too high.
He has to run a business in which he needs to mark up his profits as much as he can, and using such said marketing gimmicks is to probably discourage people directly sourcing bats from India and to rather buy it through hin.
He was a little touchy and never sent any pics of an individual bat which you are trying to buy. When someone is spending USD 300 to buy a GM 808, i don't think its wrong to ask for some pics. So i agree with you on this point ... but after a while he stopped stocking SS, since he realized that people don't buy Indian brands from CSO.
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Do you have a link to the video clip you mentioned Shinpatty ?
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Do you have a link to the video clip you mentioned Shinpatty ?
Yes,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzy-kxNfB8s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzy-kxNfB8s)
"Premium export quality much better than Indian domestic"
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Back on topic , the kooka kwaja pro has been released 40mm + edges , 2lb 14oz , & a rrp of $1300 aus , just to put in perspective with this bat thread ??? $1300 aus ???
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Back on topic , the kooka kwaja pro has been released 40mm + edges , 2lb 14oz , & a rrp of $1300 aus , just to put in perspective with this bat thread ??? $1300 aus ???
750 quid in old money.
No thanks.
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Weight Range 2lbs 12oz - 3lbs
Scallop Approx 4 - 5mm
just lol....
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When will these guys stop lying about pro bat weights.. no chance that either warner or khwaja use 2lb 14.. more like 2lb 10 at most.
Even a biffer like dhoni uses 2lb 10 and 2lb 11.. as can be heard in this video: https://youtu.be/52ESlc9t5bc
The Spartan guy is saying "1205 grams"..
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Last warner pro bat i saw weighed in at 2lb 11oz , & yes the kwaja feels heavy , nowhere near as nice as a 50plus in comparison
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When will these guys stop lying about pro bat weights.. no chance that either warner or khwaja use 2lb 14.. more like 2lb 10 at most.
Even a biffer like dhoni uses 2lb 10 and 2lb 11.. as can be heard in this video: https://youtu.be/52ESlc9t5bc
The Spartan guy is saying "1205 grams"..
Agree, if the weight, shape and size are all not the same as a pro bat, it shouldn't be called one..if the pro bats break after handful of games, then they should come with a disclaimer on the same...at least you can experience the pickup and ping of the pro bat when you spend so much money rather than wielding a 3 lb club in the name of pro bat size and durability...
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Back on topic , the kooka kwaja pro has been released 40mm + edges , 2lb 14oz , & a rrp of $1300 aus , just to put in perspective with this bat thread ??? $1300 aus ???
I just found these labels on my Kook Obscene. 45mm edge/68mm spine @ 2-13
(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp10/jd1631/2FF6A83A-99ED-4580-9573-DE7996B2C8D4_zpsveyztwlo.jpg) (http://s392.photobucket.com/user/jd1631/media/2FF6A83A-99ED-4580-9573-DE7996B2C8D4_zpsveyztwlo.jpg.html)
(http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp10/jd1631/4E04D457-D40C-4FB7-ACED-F582C78D1A22_zpscnx6pzqc.jpg) (http://s392.photobucket.com/user/jd1631/media/4E04D457-D40C-4FB7-ACED-F582C78D1A22_zpscnx6pzqc.jpg.html)
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Back on topic , the kooka kwaja pro has been released 40mm + edges , 2lb 14oz , & a rrp of $1300 aus , just to put in perspective with this bat thread ??? $1300 aus ???
Greg Chappell at Albion has these in stock. Not priced but the guy told me $1500 a piece.
Biggest 40mm edge bat I have ever seen. Could not believe it was within the regulations.
The 2.14 picked up ridiculously well. And the 2.12 felt like a feather.
I'm not a Kook fan but I was tempted even at $1500.
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They are not within the regulations & not light , you should have compared it to the latest velocity xl2000 & or atomic , then you would have realised what you can get much cheaper & miles better , & yes the signature is another level again.
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$1500 is just insane in the membrane
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They aren't quite that expensive but still silly money, especially for s heavy bat.
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They are not within the regulations & not light , you should have compared it to the latest velocity xl2000 & or atomic , then you would have realised what you can get much cheaper & miles better , & yes the signature is another level again.
If they're not within regulations that's even better. I should take a ruler with me next time. Is the signature just a scaled down 50 plus?
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Yes