Custom Bats Cricket Forum
Equipment => Bats => Bat Making => Topic started by: JK Lewis on November 22, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
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Afternoon all! Could anyone with a GN Kaboom let me know how much their example(s) weighs, thanks a lot. And how many grips are included in that weight.
Cheers, Justin
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@Chalkie
@Chad
@smilley792
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2.15 iirc, one grip, tape for binding. :)
(https://s19.postimg.org/da6n0df7n/IMG_9043.jpg)
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OMG Chad, does it take two of you to life them?
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Justin mines 2lb 9 ounce with one chevron
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2.15 iirc, one grip, tape for binding. :)
(https://s19.postimg.org/da6n0df7n/IMG_9043.jpg)
You're getting your money's worth out of those edges.
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Justin mines 2lb 9 ounce with one chevron
Please don't start this "debate" again! :-[
For the record, as nice as the old (or are they current again, with the new bat regulations?) off the shelf Kabooms were, I think Justin was referring to the 50mm edge monsters
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Please don't start this "debate" again! :-[
For the record, as nice as the old (or are they current again, with the new bat regulations?) off the shelf Kabooms were, I think Justin was referring to the 50mm edge monsters
And how may I ask do you know that.
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And how may I ask do you know that.
Which part?
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50mm monsters
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50mm monsters
More a presumption than anything. I know I shouldn't, as presumption is the mother of all cock ups, but the rational behind my thinking was:
- While the older Kabooms are nice sticks, the shape isn't anything that special. They were, for all intensive purposes, "normal bats" with Kaboom stickers. There are several bats that are a similar/the same shape that are readily available
- With the new bat regulations, if bigger brands start to produce only compliant bats you wont see many/any new ones made by Gray Nicolls, so it makes sense to find out as much as you can about them now before they get destroyed through use (apparently some people buy a bat then use it to hit balls?)
- The 50mm edge monsters are still in fashion (on the forum, at least) so there is a higher chance of getting a reply now than in, lets say, 3 months time, when the new thing comes along and they're all sold on eBay for a loss
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Sorry chaps, I probably should have been clearer from the start! I'm trying to replicate a Kaboom in the workshop. I think I've got reasonably close to the shape but it's currently weighing in at about 3lb.
The thing is, my effort has 38mm edges, spine about 50ish. So considerably smaller than Chad's monster, yet still noticeably heavier.
It really demonstrates how much drier the wood that GN use is, compared to my homemade. I have to get more moisture out, probably another 5-6 ounces.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZW1ICV2.jpg)
These two are 2017 models of Kaboom and Velocity Players choice. Both are about 2.9.
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Sorry chaps, I probably should have been clearer from the start! I'm trying to replicate a Kaboom in the workshop. I think I've got reasonably close to the shape but it's currently weighing in at about 3lb.
The thing is, my effort has 38mm edges, spine about 50ish. So considerably smaller than Chad's monster, yet still noticeably heavier.
It really demonstrates how much drier the wood that GN use is, compared to my homemade. I have to get more moisture out, probably another 5-6 ounces.
Did they go.in the kiln?
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZW1ICV2.jpg)
These two are 2017 models of Kaboom and Velocity Players choice. Both are about 2.9.
Thanks! 2lb 9! Jeez.
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Did they go.in the kiln?
No, this batch air dry only. Next lot in the kiln.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZW1ICV2.jpg)
These two are 2017 models of Kaboom and Velocity Players choice. Both are about 2.9.
What’s the edge size on those two mate?
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@Chalkie about 43mm edges.
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Has anyone come up with a way of measuring the moisture levels needed in the clefts to create these monsters?
I've got a monster handled cleft on the go, it's currently at nearly 4lb, there's no way I can remove a pound and a half of wood from it, to get a bat the size of these monsters.
Soooo, it's gone in the airing cupboard, and I'm gonna monitor the dead weight, and see if I can dry it out a bit.
I want one of these monsters, at the weights shown, not 3lb plus
I'm gonna dry it out, and also check the ball response as it dries, as I'm interested in the effect this too, that the moisture removal will have.
I've seen bits and bobs over the years, about this subject
I know pro bats are dryer than what a paying punter gets, so I'm interested to know if it improves performance too.
I love this side of batmaking,
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Here’s my little one
(http://i67.tinypic.com/21cc8rl.jpg)
Measured to rounded edge, spine harder to get exact with the scale I have, but looks around 74/75mm
Was just under 2’15 when I got it but seems to have put on weight since the end of the season so now bang on 2’15. This is with single chevron grip, no scuff.
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Has anyone come up with a way of measuring the moisture levels needed in the clefts to create these monsters?
I've got a monster handled cleft on the go, it's currently at nearly 4lb, there's no way I can remove a pound and a half of wood from it, to get a bat the size of these monsters.
Soooo, it's gone in the airing cupboard, and I'm gonna monitor the dead weight, and see if I can dry it out a bit.
I want one of these monsters, at the weights shown, not 3lb plus
I'm gonna dry it out, and also check the ball response as it dries, as I'm interested in the effect this too, that the moisture removal will have.
I've seen bits and bobs over the years, about this subject
I know pro bats are dryer than what a paying punter gets, so I'm interested to know if it improves performance too.
I love this side of batmaking,
Moisture meters can give an idea of the levels, but only on the outside of the bat of course. I believe they try to get them to 10%, to find the optimum level where the cleft is light as it can be without breaking up too quickly.
4lb is heavy! But you can get a lot off. I have a couple in the airing cupboard also, my 'Kaboom' is an ounce lighter already since Sunday evening.
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Here’s my little one
([url]http://i67.tinypic.com/21cc8rl.jpg[/url])
Measured to rounded edge, spine harder to get exact with the scale I have, but looks around 74/75mm
Was just under 2’15 when I got it but seems to have put on weight since the end of the season so now bang on 2’15. This is with single chevron grip, no scuff.
Thanks mate, useful.
Speculate for a minute. If GN no longer made Kabooms that are above the new bat regs, but you wanted another Kaboom. Would you want one that was still 2lb 15oz at the reduced sizes, or would you want it lighter because it was smaller?
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I've another in the cupboard, that's lost two ounce in two days, so I reckon they were fairly green.
On the moisture reader thing, there's a clip on you tube of S Smith watching his bat made
On it they cut the bottom of the cleft off and see how brittle it is
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I've another in the cupboard, that's lost two ounce in two days, so I reckon they were fairly green.
On the moisture reader thing, there's a clip on you tube of S Smith watching his bat made
On it they cut the bottom of the cleft off and see how brittle it is
Yes that's right. But I guess he's given bats by the dozen so no worries if they only last for a couple of sessions each.
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Sorry chaps, I probably should have been clearer from the start! I'm trying to replicate a Kaboom in the workshop. I think I've got reasonably close to the shape but it's currently weighing in at about 3lb.
The thing is, my effort has 38mm edges, spine about 50ish. So considerably smaller than Chad's monster, yet still noticeably heavier.
It really demonstrates how much drier the wood that GN use is, compared to my homemade. I have to get more moisture out, probably another 5-6 ounces.
Dont forget the timber gn uses for these isnt JUST dry, it will also be low density. Hence the mixed bag of grain types you see on these.
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Dont forget the timber gn uses for these isnt JUST dry, it will also be low density. Hence the mixed bag of grain types you see on these.
Yes that's probably true too. It's interesting to wonder what will happen now. If companies use the same type of light wood in future, but keep within the new regs, the bats will end up at 2lb 4oz or something. Maybe in fact they will need to use wood like mine, so that players can get the 2lb 9 - 2lb 14 oz bats that feel right.
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Thanks mate, useful.
Speculate for a minute. If GN no longer made Kabooms that are above the new bat regs, but you wanted another Kaboom. Would you want one that was still 2lb 15oz at the reduced sizes, or would you want it lighter because it was smaller?
Interesting question.
I got a Warner because they are something special, unusual/rare and it makes me smile every time I look at it. It may actually be to heavy for me to use, havent decided whether to knock it in and give it a go yet. I also have 2 XP80s for the same reason, although these are lighter and have started to use one of them.
Would I buy one of the new reduced size GN Warner’s - probably not. They just aren’t unusual enough to go to the effort and expense of getting it from Aus. Although I could be tempted by one of the other oversize models they are still making.
Would I buy a replica of the warner shape if it was smaller - John did make me a lovely custom last year that was pretty big around 2’11 and very usable. So would certainly be open to buying more like that, but would need to be a usable weight.
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I hope theyll still make some light bats to maximum specs using these clefts. Even if they end up being as light as 2-4. I wonder if that will encorouge any new types of bat "technology" that fits the regs. I think it was a slazenger maybe that had hardwood edge inserts that i think were suposed to act as perimeter weighting. Perhaps this will be explored. I lighter cleft, the extra weight taken up along the edges. Might effect the way off centre shots are felt/perform? Who knows. I just hope these big/light clefts dont go to waste.
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My warner
2:14/15
Max Edge size = rounded to 47mm
Edge of toe = rounded to 19mm
Centre of Toe = rounded to 26mm
Shoulders = rounded to 15mm.
Middle is from 60mm from toe to stickers
Spine = 77mm measured by calipers
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Oh, and photos of your warner replica replica pls JK. Forum rules!
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I suspect there will still be people after Custom bats which are big and brash! Most of us lower league boys will not be touched by the 40mm edge rule for a while, if at all! So I'm sure that the makers will still make the odd 45mm+ bat in 2'10 as Custom made.
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This had made me think,where is the best place to store a bat?!Under the pillow?!Under the covers,cradled in your arms?!Is a garage too cold?