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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: richthekeeper on June 08, 2018, 10:51:33 AM
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Following a quote from @Neon Cricket in another thread, I thought I'd reopen the age-old discussion.
See, I've always found trigger movements to be the issue. I used to do something similar thinking that it'd help me get my feet moving when in reality it was just sending me off balance massively.
A few of the lads play minor counties for Wiltshire, with one in particular being an exceptional bat. The best advice I've ever been given was when he told me to just stay totally still whilst the bowler runs in - I'd swear by it now. Give it a shot and see how you get on, from what I can see on your video your trigger movement is leaving you in a different position almost every shot so you're putting yourself on the back foot from the get go.
I've realised that my trigger across the crease was leaving me off balance towards the off side and preventing me from playing anything to leg. So I tried the staying still thing last night in nets - it worked well for straight balls but anything outside off stump I found it difficult to play. Mainly because I was taking "stay still" to the extreme and not getting into line! How do others get over this?
The main thing that felt unnatural was forcing myself to stand with heels down rather than being on the balls of my feet which is pretty much the way that every other aspect of sport works. However when I managed it I was completely balanced at the crease and dispatched balls to all parts. A work in progress...
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I know a man who has view on this....
Enter stage right - @Buzz
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Standing still is almost always the right thing to do.
But don't sit on your heals, flex your knees slightly so you are on the balls of your feet.
Been a while since we had a trigger thread...
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Maybe I explained poorly, but I'm a goalkeeper so used to having my weight forward in the "ready position" which isn't ideal for a batsman as it means my weight is always to the off side.
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Maybe I explained poorly, but I'm a goalkeeper so used to having my weight forward in the "ready position" which isn't ideal for a batsman as it means my weight is always to the off side.
I get that as well, although I've managed to reduce it a lot with a couple of small changes. The first was just opening up my stance a little bit, when I was side on I would fall over all the time.
The second thing I'm trying to do (we'll see if it works on Saturday, my first game of the year) is something Ponting said in a masterclass on BT Sports. Try and get your head round so you're nose is pointing at the umpire and try and see the ball out of your right eye (assuming you're right handed ofc). Then when the ball is released try and take your right eye towards the umpire, that takes your head straight down the pitch and stops you falling over.
At the 10 minute mark in this video:
https://youtu.be/2wdT4zzNinI?t=10m
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Stand still head still eyes level watch the ball out of the bowlers hand simple
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Great thread very useful info
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Trigger is all very well if you are then still by the time the ball is released.
I've always had a trigger movement (Wierdly it was usually my back foot backwards slightly) but recently discovered I was really struggling to time anything and was very late on shots. I've made a conscious effort to amend this so I am triggering a lot earlier (just as the bowler is coming into his delivery stride) which means I've moved and am then still again by the time the ball is delivered. I actually trained it by watching youtube Batsman headcam videos and pretending I was batting (Quite sad I know)
It has helped me no end and I feel a lot sturdier and have more time to play the shot I want at the crease now.
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i like "mental triggers" to be more useful.. in my case, this is getting more and more "in the zone" as the bowler nears his mark. unless you have 10,000 hours to learn a trigger, best to just stay still / natural, and not think about it.
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I say to myself watch the ball clear your mind.
Then I start chatting with the other scorer and my teammates at it all goes to hell.
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As Neon suggested elsewhere, im going to have a go at staying still rather than triggering. I did try it over the winter before getting injured, so just went back to what I knew after I was training again.
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being still when the ball is delivered is where you want to be. if you trigger in to a "ready" position. that is up to you.
ultimately, the trigger is there to get you in to a good position to play your cricket shots. you should be have completed the trigger by the time the bowler releases the ball otherwise you're moving whilst hitting - a good guide is to start the trigger when the bowler reaches the umpire, be ware the sprinting bowler!!
Cricket is hard enough standing still, don't make it more complicated by moving against a moving ball :-D
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Further to the above, I advocate watching the ball in the bowlers hand in his run up. If you trigger you need to be done and in position by the time the bowler gets to his gather.
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He may be persona non Grata at the moment,but Steve Smith has a big trigger-need to check some footage-but I imagine his head is still at release?Has a great record (as a Batsman...)
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On a similar note, what is everyone's preference? Bat down or bat up?
http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/931739/the-downside-of-up (http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/931739/the-downside-of-up)
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Bat up because then you only have to bring the bat down
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being still when the ball is delivered is where you want to be. if you trigger in to a "ready" position. that is up to you.
ultimately, the trigger is there to get you in to a good position to play your cricket shots. you should be have completed the trigger by the time the bowler releases the ball otherwise you're moving whilst hitting - a good guide is to start the trigger when the bowler reaches the umpire, be ware the sprinting bowler!!
Cricket is hard enough standing still, don't make it more complicated by moving against a moving ball :-D
I have had a trigger for as long as i can remember, i actually think 'ready position' is a very good way (and possibly better way) of describing it because you should be well done and dusted with your trigger before the bowler is into his gather as Buzz has said.
To this end i have now found it better to not trigger and take a different guard when facing spinners (or a seamer with a really short run up), as it also allows you to be in a better position to come down the wicket.
Ultimately as Steve Smith has shown it is what works for you.
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Bat up because then you only have to bring the bat down
I think this potentially has merit against a proper quick, where you can time the ball into gaps etc, but if you want to add pace to the ball and you're not massively strong I found that shifting weight onto my back foot slightly and lifting the bat up as the bowler delivers leads me to turn my shoulder towards the ball helping me transfer weight into a shot, and also gives me a bit of rhythm. (something sadly lacking in my dancing).
I think that is far more of a grey area than head still to judge line and length. Depends on player and technique.
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Further more, with regards to that article, Hussey was a fine player, but if you watch him bat - just checked it out - he stands with the bat in a hover just above the knee like the article suggests, but he does lift it higher when the ball is released like I suggested and rolls his shoulders into the shot.
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Further to the above, I advocate watching the ball in the bowlers hand in his run up. If you trigger you need to be done and in position by the time the bowler gets to his gather.
I have always done this but have been try to stop doing it and instead follow the advice from the pros in this article.
http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1136242/what-does-a-batsman-see (http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1136242/what-does-a-batsman-see)
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Interesting article, keen to give this method a try. Thanks
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Loved reading that article. Thanks.
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I don’t triggernin general, but when attacking I sometimes move away before the below bowls to open up the off.
I wanna be still and stable ready to play, not shuffling about.
Also bat up in stance, and it goes even further up at end of innings to try and hit it harder(faster)”?) but I’ll admit I lose some control.
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1. I trigger to middle stump and sometimes off which opens up the leg side for me. It actually makes it difficult to play on the off side if the line is middle/off/close to off.
2. My trigger is complete before the ball is released which means that I am still (head and feet) at the point of release.
3. My observation is that trigger works best against a swinging and quick delivery. For a slow/medium bowler, my trigger actually throws off my line. Against a slow/medium I do a very small or no trigger. I do recommend doing a trigger against a left-arm fast/medium bowler from over the wicket. The trigger (angled) helps me get in line better to line up my drives.
4. I am also experimenting with no forward press against spinners. So far in nets, this approach has resulted in some very clean hits. I can hit with a forward press as well but its just too much work sometimes and I need my legs by the time I get to the spinners. :D
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I have always done this but have been try to stop doing it and instead follow the advice from the pros in this article.
[url]http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1136242/what-does-a-batsman-see[/url] ([url]http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1136242/what-does-a-batsman-see[/url])
Also changed from watching the ball through the run-up to a similar method after reading that article, definite improvement for me!
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Trigger is all very well if you are then still by the time the ball is released.
I've always had a trigger movement (Wierdly it was usually my back foot backwards slightly) but recently discovered I was really struggling to time anything and was very late on shots. I've made a conscious effort to amend this so I am triggering a lot earlier (just as the bowler is coming into his delivery stride) which means I've moved and am then still again by the time the ball is delivered. I actually trained it by watching youtube Batsman headcam videos and pretending I was batting (Quite sad I know)
It has helped me no end and I feel a lot sturdier and have more time to play the shot I want at the crease now.
Scrap everything I said!
Faced the 1XI’s quickest bowler this evening at nets and he hit my thigh pad before I’d even started moving forward from my trigger backwards.
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Scrap everything I said!
Faced the 1XI’s quickest bowler this evening at nets and he hit my thigh pad before I’d even started moving forward from my trigger backwards.
Need a trigger for your trigger.
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I stay as still as i can with bat up.
That article is a very good read, however I think at my level the point about picking up cues from the bowlers run up probably isn't very accurate as half the time the bowler has no idea where it is going! Some interesting ideas about where to focus and switching off between deliveries though!
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I never had a trigger as such , just a squat into ready position. Ive always been a front foot player and this seemed to work fine.
Last 5mths ive just returned from major knee injury and was forced to change myself into a back foot player as I'll never be able to get properly forward (squat or lunge movements are a real challenge) ever again.
I watched a lot of back foot players and adopted what works for me. A.t.m i have a massive back and across movement into a ready position ( back foot goes from an inch outside leg to an inch outside off , and my back foot is a bit less than a bat length from the stumps ). This feels an ugly technique and initially messed with my head .Sure , im basically imitating s.smith (poors mans version of course). My head is level and my body still at release point so I'm ok with my ugly massive trigger. Actually , im really enjoying batting this way . I have new challenges now ......still working on getting my offside scoring up to something resembling what it used to be....but I'm loving how my legside play has improved massively - balls on the pads now feel like money for old rope.....thats new for me and i like it.
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On bouncy pitches, hanging on the back foot results in a lot of runs. You can easily pounce on short balls for pulls, (backfoot) punches , and even cuts if you get in position early.
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I never had a trigger as such , just a squat into ready position. Ive always been a front foot player and this seemed to work fine.
Last 5mths ive just returned from major knee injury and was forced to change myself into a back foot player as I'll never be able to get properly forward (squat or lunge movements are a real challenge) ever again.
I watched a lot of back foot players and adopted what works for me. A.t.m i have a massive back and across movement into a ready position ( back foot goes from an inch outside leg to an inch outside off , and my back foot is a bit less than a bat length from the stumps ). This feels an ugly technique and initially messed with my head .Sure , im basically imitating s.smith (poors mans version of course). My head is level and my body still at release point so I'm ok with my ugly massive trigger. Actually , im really enjoying batting this way . I have new challenges now ......still working on getting my offside scoring up to something resembling what it used to be....but I'm loving how my legside play has improved massively - balls on the pads now feel like money for old rope.....thats new for me and i like it.
This is exactly it though mate. Everyone's trigger or not should be based on what is best/needed for their own game. Keep the general principles of technique in mind e.g.. head still at point of delivery etc... after that do what suits you best and consider what pitches you are playing on and what opposition you are facing.
It is what makes our beloved game so amazing, that 11 guys/girls will walk out to bat and not 1 of them will do it the same way!
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Need a trigger for your trigger.
Need to finish my net before he turns up I reckon.
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This is exactly it though mate. Everyone's trigger or not should be based on what is best/needed for their own game. Keep the general principles of technique in mind e.g.. head still at point of delivery etc... after that do what suits you best and consider what pitches you are playing on and what opposition you are facing.
It is what makes our beloved game so amazing, that 11 guys/girls will walk out to bat and not 1 of them will do it the same way!
Yep , i agree - a million and one ways to skin a cat .
And , yeah , like you say , i needed to factor in my circumstances when trying to find my new technique. I had to find a way to take stress/pain out of my knees while keeping balance and enough range of shots . Also , i had to factor in that i play a high standard/against high pace , am an opening bat , play on a lot of bouncy decks etc . I then looked at my best asset as a batsman - hand speed . I think ive found my solution to my unique set of circumstances . I wouldn't necessarily recommend that others adopt the technique I'm now using.....in fact , 5 months ago i doubted id ever be able to adjust to it . But , it was either try it or basically give up on my batting . I'm glad i opted for the former.
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Staying still didn’t work today. Bowled second ball. Back to nets then.
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Staying still didn’t work today. Bowled second ball. Back to nets then.
Different triggers for different bowling.
Fast and swinging - trigger before release and still at the release point. I line up to the release line as suggested by A B Devilliers in his Cricket Yard video.
Medium/Slow and slow - smaller trigger before release, side-on and head forward at the point of release. No trigger if bowler doesn't have swing or turn.
Spin - no trigger or forward press when want to score aggressively.
I see batsmen in my team scoring freely against spinners and medium-pacers but edging/bowled against quicks because they don't trigger and get in line to them. As a clubbie, trigger works for me against quicks.
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Also changed from watching the ball through the run-up to a similar method after reading that article, definite improvement for me!
Going to give this a go struggling a bit at the min average is at less than 10 :(
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As a former wicket keeper I always looked at the ball in the bowlers hand to see his grip and shiny side. When batting i do the same. I try to see if i can see the grip.
Also ........ when on the none strikers end do the same and try to see if you can see any changes in action or grip.
A short ball will be released later than a pitched up one. It will appear flatter right out of the bowlers hand.
Ask yourself these questions with regards to a trigger ....
when i go on the front foot which foot do i use to start this movement?
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As a former wicket keeper I always looked at the ball in the bowlers hand to see his grip and shiny side. When batting i do the same. I try to see if i can see the grip.
Also ........ when on the none strikers end do the same and try to see if you can see any changes in action or grip.
A short ball will be released later than a pitched up one. It will appear flatter right out of the bowlers hand.
Ask yourself these questions with regards to a trigger ....
when i go on the front foot which foot do i use to start this movement?
help me understand my own answer to this question. if I'm playing a front foot shot I'm actually moving my back foot first (across the crease) to get into line, before moving my front foot into the line of the ball.
I've recently tried out changing from a back foot trigger to a front foot trigger. I've only batted with it once but it felt better. I'd rather be later going back to a shorter ball than too late getting forward to a full ball.
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to go forward you press off your backfoot ........... so why not have your weight on the ball of the back foot once you have gone back and across?
If its short you are already back and you simply step your front foot behind the ball to defend or bring your front foot back in the air and hammer it.
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help me understand my own answer to this question. if I'm playing a front foot shot I'm actually moving my back foot first (across the crease) to get into line, before moving my front foot into the line of the ball.
I've recently tried out changing from a back foot trigger to a front foot trigger. I've only batted with it once but it felt better. I'd rather be later going back to a shorter ball than too late getting forward to a full ball.
Late to a short one will have you spooning it up in the air.
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when i go on the front foot which foot do i use to start this movement?
Urm, I use my head to lean to the ball, the weight transfer that causes moves my foot naturally into position.
So neither foot...
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Urm, I use my head to lean to the ball, the weight transfer that causes moves my foot naturally into position.
So neither foot...
Excellent answer ... technically you should put your head to the pitch not your foot. That results in kids simply sitting back in their stance with their foot to the pitch thinking they are doing great. Realistically there is a transfer of weight from back to front foot.
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I would say it is more weight transferring from evenly spread to over your front foot, but as you said above some people adopt a deweighting approach (Cook and Root are great examples of this.)
Not sure about the impact on kids, at the moment I coach (occasionally) a bunch of 8 year olds and they use bouncy incridie balls so they tend to sit on the back foot and swing across the line. Most are at the in between stage of learning their technique so aren't really caressing cover drives! Plus the bowling is a little mixed!
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With the kids i meant simply telling them to put their foot to the pitch often means they do that without moving their head as well.
As they put their foot to the pitch they think everything is ok.
I think its best to tell them to put their head and foot towards the pitch like you advised.
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trigger movements is an odd subject as trigger movements result in a batsman being perfectly still at the point of release .. a lot misunderstand this. I believe its simply a way to unweight the body/feet so not to feel like you are stuck in treacle from standing in your stance during the run up.
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This has it all...
https://twitter.com/englandcricket/status/1009068747733135361?s=19
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@Buzz when you say deweighting, do you mean neutrally balanced? I need to work on the weight transfer I reckon.
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No, look at Jason Roy's front foot in the trigger during the above video. He just has his toe on the ground as the ball is delivered.
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No, look at Jason Roy's front foot in the trigger during the above video. He just has his toe on the ground as the ball is delivered.
I see so he's loading his weight on his back foot? Like a hitter in that there baseballs.
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I don't believe any of us practise enough to finely tune a trigger movement.
Still don't get the bat up v bat down argument. Pretty much every batsman nowadays has his bat up at the point of delivery; and pretty much all of them take it a little higher before coming down. Whether you are tapping or standing tall as the bowler runs in is irrelevant.
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I guess if your foot is off the ground you've got no option but to move it :D
But yes it's a power hitting weight transfer method
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No, look at Jason Roy's front foot in the trigger during the above video. He just has his toe on the ground as the ball is delivered.
Jason Roy's pre-delivery movement is very minimal.
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if you watch the clips from today's game on the ECB website, he clearly triggers back and across.
Bairstow, on the other hand, triggers forward
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if you watch the clips from today's game on the ECB website, he clearly triggers back and across.
Yes, he does. Very efficiently, little waving around of bat.
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No! Back, then onto front as ball delivered. Very small movements, transfer of weight.
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Good luck with trying to work out where you own feet have moved to while the bowler is about to release the ball!
(I knew I shouldn't have got involved with this thread.)
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bat up v bat down is simple ... its quicker to get the bat down if you already have it in the air. When the ball is hurtling at 80mph +++ you need to react fast.
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Everyone's bat is up. Stupid argument.
Flintoff and Gilchrist were the last pros I remember who were the exception. Owais Shah, strangely, seemed to mix it up - certainly at one point in his career.
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Very very few established players have their bat already all the way up and still at the moment of delivery. Does seem to be the current vogue, but never seen anybody who bats that way and makes it look a good idea.
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Two pros may have two very different triggers but still manage to play at that level because they have tailored their technique to their physiology, reactions, and hand-eye coordination. And, this is why there is no universal technique.
Clubbies should experiment with different techniques until they find one that works for their ever weakening shoulder, eye-sight, and diminishing reflexes. :D Don't forget bat weights either.
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Two pros may have two very different triggers but still manage to play at that level because they have tailored their technique to their physiology, reactions, and hand-eye coordination. And, this is why there is no universal technique.
Clubbies should experiment with different techniques until they find one that works for their ever weakening shoulder, eye-sight, and diminishing reflexes. :D Don't forget bat weights either.
Indeed...bat weights, one of the oldest parts of the game, remember a sports shop advising how to choose a bat. It's just taken years for the penny to drop! :-)
Reading this thread with interest, having worked on correcting technique to prevent over balancing for about 4 years it is starting to work...
So...for some players they naturally have a good set up to allow(as has been pointed out by meany on this), a level and still head, balanced feet and two eyes looking at the ball
For some others we need a trigger to get into the right position.
Personally I move back and across a bit and put my weight on the back foot, that helps me keep from overbalancong to the offside, also I try to open the left shoulder towards mid on. I'm sure there are others with the same problem it's pretty common.
So the trigger just helps get in the right position in the first place.
Can't overestimate thou using the right weight bat. Maybe it is the most important part of batting? That and really watching the ball.
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Very very few established players have their bat already all the way up and still at the moment of delivery. Does seem to be the current vogue, but never seen anybody who bats that way and makes it look a good idea.
No, that never happens. At least I've never noticed anyone do it. Up and up again, always!
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No, that never happens. At least I've never noticed anyone do it. Up and up again, always!
That's the theory though, have it all the way up to save time. Eoin Morgan has adopted it these days for example, there's a little wobble but it stays up. Hales is similar. Suspect it has a lot to do with the prevalence of bowling machines these days! The majority of the current U19 generation seem to have been coached to do it, time will tell there...
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Trigger doesn't have to be just a foot movement. Morgan, I think, triggers with his bat (raised up). Another great technique is bending knees and then springing up aligning your toes to the line of the delivery. That is a very nice (aesthetically) looking technique. This guys does it very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkPF5xIJ1qw&t=55s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkPF5xIJ1qw&t=55s)
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Trigger doesn't have to be just a foot movement. Morgan, I think, triggers with his bat (raised up). Another great technique is bending knees and then springing up aligning your toes to the line of the delivery. That is a very nice (aesthetically) looking technique. This guys does it very well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkPF5xIJ1qw&t=55s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkPF5xIJ1qw&t=55s)
What a classy batsman he is!
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Ponting/Kohli has a similar bat tap before the bat goes up. If it works for them...
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I stand corrected on both points.
As a Surrey member I still get to see Roy occasionally. I am always taken by how infussy his technique is. Part of it is the lack of movement as the bowler run in, I'm sure. Perhaps with the trigger movement, it's the lateness and efficiency of it? It pretty much becomes part of the shot. Maybe that's the whole point?
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Changed my mind having just watched yesterday's highlights. I stand corrected about Roy's trigger. But not about Morgan's (or anyone else's) bat coming straight down from a stationary 'up' position.
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There's an interesting article on the wisdom or otherwise of 'bat up' here:
http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/931739/the-downside-of-up (http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/931739/the-downside-of-up)
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There's an interesting article on the wisdom or otherwise of 'bat up' here:
[url]http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/931739/the-downside-of-up[/url] ([url]http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/931739/the-downside-of-up[/url])
Thanks for this. But look at the picture of Voges in the nets. Is his bat actually down as the bowler is about to bowl?
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I hover to stop myself falling over to off, but as the ball is delivered I pick my bat up farther, like a bat down player would, and tilt my shoulder and move my head in line - that shoulder movement naturally picks the bat up. That is where the power that Hodge refers to comes from I think. If I were to reach down to tap my bat, my eyes wouldn't be level. I guess it depends on your own personal physiology as to what approach is best.
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Please someone find me an example of a genuine 'bat-down' player currently playing professional cricket?
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Please someone find me an example of a genuine 'bat-down' player currently playing professional cricket?
Chris Gayle?
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Theres loads of bat down, but if you want the full bat on ground at delivery stride, Moeen Ali.
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Chris Gayle?
The article gives him as an example of the opposite?
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The article gives him as an example of the opposite?
I was just guessing, as I'm sure I saw somewhere (possibly on here?) something about his bat being down as the bowler delivered the ball.
Equally I could have totally imagined it, as the search function didn't help me find it...
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Ross Taylor used to have his bat on the floor when the bowler delivered, but I believe he changed that about a year ago?
Nick Compton used to be pretty much stationary until the ball was half way down the pitch. I'm pretty sure his backlift was already at it's highest point in his stance, but it's been a while since I've seen him bat
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look at these masters ...........
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Habib_Noorbhai/publication/297726309/figure/fig4/AS:613874818617385@1523370570823/Continue-16-Graeme-Pollock-ESPN-Legends-Part-1-of-4-2010-source-adapted-from.png)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckgwye2UYAAUg83.jpg)
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unweighting of front foot ^^^^^^
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backlift ..........
(http://im.rediff.com/cricket/2009/nov/30slide5.jpg)
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I was just guessing, as I'm sure I saw somewhere (possibly on here?) something about his bat being down as the bowler delivered the ball.
Equally I could have totally imagined it, as the search function didn't help me find it...
Yep I posted a screenshot in another thread.
@GarrettJ most of those are halfway through playing a shot? Or neither up nor down.
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bairstow and the 3 indian blokes arent
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bairstow and the 3 indian blokes arent
When the ball's let go Bairstow will be in exactly the same position as those, half way. Think it's fair to say the huge majority of modern batsman are in roughly that position at delivery.
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When the ball's let go Bairstow will be in exactly the same position as those, half way. Think it's fair to say the huge majority of modern batsman are in roughly that position at delivery.
I'm most definitely no barometer for correct technique, but that is about where I'm at at point of release, then dip my shoulder in line and move forward or back accordingly. By dipping shoulder towards ball though, I'm effectively picking my bat up farther.
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There's an interesting article on the wisdom or otherwise of 'bat up' here:
[url]http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/931739/the-downside-of-up[/url] ([url]http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/931739/the-downside-of-up[/url])
Bat down guys didn't require a trigger? It is an interesting idea.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckgwye2UYAAUg83.jpg)
He is inside the popping crease, with middle stump guard, and his bat is raised high. It looks like he is cutting down the time (down to half) of raising his bat and getting in line to hit the ball?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqKBevrRKCQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqKBevrRKCQ)
Bat down, no trigger. If it's good enough for Viv... ;)
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^ It is Vivie. He couldn't do no wrong. There was only one like him.
That Clive Lloyd Windies team... :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqKBevrRKCQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqKBevrRKCQ)
Bat down, no trigger. If it's good enough for Viv... ;)
Amazing batsmen Viv Richards was.
Brian Lara and his backlift ... immense.
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Last night I noticed the first true 'bat down' batsman I've seen in county cricket for a while. Step forward Mr Freddie Van den Bergh!
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Amazing batsmen Viv Richards was.
Brian Lara and his backlift ... immense.
Bat down indeed for Viv, still my hero and the best I've ever seen. For us mere mortals back lift up may help us score runs so I guess that's why we do it(I've changed so mine is about waist high over the years). The idea i think is you have a bit more time.
Richards facing Malcolm without a helmet in that clip ! As he did against Lille and Thompson!
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After most of the season not triggering, I have gone back to it. I have scored virtually no runs all season, and it has been pointed out that my bat is coming through in a curved arc rather than straight, something which wasn't an issue before. As such, I have gone back to what is familiar and feel better already, even if I got a another first baller last game.
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Can't see how a trigger would affect that, but whatever works for you!
Stiller the better for me, particularly for getting consistency in your batting. Messed about with a trigger preseason this eyar but quickly ditched it, someone filmed a few clips of me batting on Saturday and was pleased to see I'm consistently very still now. Some bits with my backlift I didn't realise I did, but it's consistent and seems to work so I'm happy with that!
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After most of the season not triggering, I have gone back to it. I have scored virtually no runs all season, and it has been pointed out that my bat is coming through in a curved arc rather than straight, something which wasn't an issue before. As such, I have gone back to what is familiar and feel better already, even if I got a another first baller last game.
I've played with plenty of good players whose bat comes down in a curved arc.
If a trigger movement works for you and it's comfortable that has to be the way to play, then you can work out if you want to change the way it comes down later.
Three things I work on constantly having had technique problems are very basic
Really watch the ball close, in nets or practice watch it go past even if you are leaving it
Back and across a bit to balance the head-trigger if you call it that.
Left foot (right hander) slightly outside the line moving forward so the bat can come thru straight and your not playing around the pad.
Keep it simple and do what is natural because what works for one does not work for another.
The basics thou remain the same, ie watching the ball and being balanced at the crease-some with, some without a trigger movement.
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I have played with no good players whose bat comes down in an arc.
If your bat is not coming down straight look at your hip alignment and think about a good diamond when you hold the bat with your elbows. Work on strengthening your top hand.
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I have played with no good players whose bat comes down in an arc.
If your bat is not coming down straight look at your hip alignment and think about a good diamond when you hold the bat with your elbows. Work on strengthening your top hand.
Likewise, never seen a top player whos bat goes in an arc. They seem to struggle to get a lot of power through the ball on the off side. They can gun it through mid on because that angle for them would be a straight line from the backlift but float it outside off stump and it doesnt go as well.
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Likewise, never seen a top player whos bat goes in an arc. They seem to struggle to get a lot of power through the ball on the off side. They can gun it through mid on because that angle for them would be a straight line from the backlift but float it outside off stump and it doesnt go as well.
Used to play with a guy that was a semi-pro tennis player who's swing was a bit like that. Consequently batted off middle and off and looked to flick everything to leg. His hand-eye was so good that he could get to 20 odd relatively quickly, but good bowlers worked him out. Still a decent player though.
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Do bom bom.
Tri , trigger, trigger. ;) :D
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Jake said last session I had that my back shoulder was opening up and coming around, causing the bat to arc. When triggering I go from an open stance to closed, bat from pointing to about second slip to between keeper and first.
I think lack of practice hasn't helped tbh, or lack of time in the middle, but I just feel more comfy triggering.
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I've come to the conclusion this season that theres no one i've fast thats fast enough for me to need a trigger. So now i make sure i'm dead still at point of delivery with eyes level and its helped a lot. No need to be wandering about the crease as i always just felt off balance.