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Title: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: wasted_talent on December 17, 2020, 10:14:12 AM
So Pakistan announce their T20 squad of 15 for the series.

But theres no space for Usman Qadir, who was the man of the series in their previous series v Zimb.

As a player, how dis heartening must that be?
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Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 17, 2020, 10:15:48 AM
No Azam who’s broken his thumb.
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: wasted_talent on December 17, 2020, 10:19:45 AM
Yeah saw that. They'll miss him.

The qadir omission is baffling!
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Post by: wasted_talent on December 18, 2020, 12:23:39 PM
Wow Pakistan's planning and thought process is remarkable lol

Riz opens the batting in t20. Couldnt make it up. lol
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Post by: mo_town on December 18, 2020, 12:29:06 PM
Wow Pakistan's planning and thought process is remarkable lol

Riz opens the batting in t20. Couldnt make it up. lol

Well he did open in the recent National T20 tournament and did quite well, isnt it? That was a typical NZ pitch with the amount of bounce it had. Shadab and Faheem made sure it wasnt an embarrasment. Its interesting how teams like NZ are never criticized for preparing such pitches but when it comes to spin friendly tracks in the sub-continent, it angers everyone.
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: wasted_talent on December 18, 2020, 12:30:50 PM
Its a myth that he did well in the national t20. have a look at the below:

NT20 was the highest scoring tournament in the world. Multan and Rawalpindi are two of the highest scoring venues in the world. Still Rizwan’s strike-rate was 127. I DON’T THINK HE DID WELL at all. We need to look beyond runs and averages.

Imo, that isnt good enough for opening in t20 cricket.
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Post by: csnew on December 18, 2020, 12:46:29 PM
. Its interesting how teams like NZ are never criticized for preparing such pitches but when it comes to spin friendly tracks in the sub-continent, it angers everyone.

Always been those double standards
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: edge on December 18, 2020, 02:40:28 PM
Always been those double standards
NZ get stick for how green the track is pretty much every home game, what double standards? Didn't watch this game but 153/9 getting chased down with an over to spare sounds like a pretty normal T20...
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: csnew on December 18, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
NZ get stick for how green the track is pretty much every home game, what double standards? Didn't watch this game but 153/9 getting chased down with an over to spare sounds like a pretty normal T20...

As above, if NZ/eng/SA prepare a green top it’s perfectly acceptable and considered a sporting wicket. If a Bunsen burner is prepared on the subcontinent and the test also ends within 3 days everyone ends up in arms

Personally no issues with home advantage, think the NZ green tops are enjoyable and get better to bat on day’s 4 and 5
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: wasted_talent on December 22, 2020, 03:07:18 PM
So Riz comes to the party for the last t20 game. And leads Pak to a successful chase.

Although even Babar is fit, Riz and him surely cant be batting in the top 6 together?

So do Pak continue with Riz and use him at 7/8 much like how the Windies used Ramadin during their two successful t20 world cup wins?
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: Cover_Drive on December 23, 2020, 04:56:59 AM
So Riz comes to the party for the last t20 game. And leads Pak to a successful chase.

Although even Babar is fit, Riz and him surely cant be batting in the top 6 together?

So do Pak continue with Riz and use him at 7/8 much like how the Windies used Ramadin during their two successful t20 world cup wins?

Babar is not fit, he fractured his thumb and hasn't recovered if I am not mistaken.
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: csnew on December 25, 2020, 09:33:33 PM
Another green top as expected - abbas could be a handful in these conditions.
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: csnew on December 26, 2020, 07:53:05 AM
How good is Kane especially on a green top. Yes Pakistan’s bowling line up isn’t great with only a couple decent bowlers
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: InternalTraining on December 26, 2020, 05:10:09 PM
^ He is very good! NZ is a very strong side, they are doing well.
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Post by: cricketbadger on December 26, 2020, 05:35:30 PM
There's a reason why they tend to be on the greener side over there. If anyone cared to do some research into it
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Post by: brokenbat on December 26, 2020, 06:19:17 PM
How good is Kane especially on a green top. Yes Pakistan’s bowling line up isn’t great with only a couple decent bowlers

Actually the bowling was quite stellar for most of the day - it took a masterclass from Kane to deny the bowlers more wickets. Loved watching how late he plays - which is why his edges didn’t carry, whereas Blundell and Latham weren’t as skillful and got found out.
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Post by: jamesisapayne on December 26, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
Was going to say the same thing, the Pakistani bowling was far from poor. Williamson and Taylor batted superbly against some real quality bowling
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Post by: billyb on December 28, 2020, 04:08:29 AM
Jamieson currently 2 for 9 from 17 overs. Outstanding!
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Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 30, 2020, 07:58:43 AM
Neil Wagner is a different breed. Bowls New Zealand to victory despite having a broken toe.
Fawad Alam second Test century - some 11 years after his first. Genuinely confusing why he missed so many matches when his red ball record is fantastic.
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: csnew on December 30, 2020, 08:40:14 AM
That was some end to the test match - wagner carried on with a broken toe
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: brokenbat on December 30, 2020, 05:20:39 PM
Amazing game. NZ have demolished much better teams than the current Pak one, so it was great to see some fight. Rizwan has gone from strength to strength since the England tour. Wagner - what a beast !
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Post by: King pair on December 30, 2020, 05:36:55 PM
Neil Wagner is a different breed. Bowls New Zealand to victory despite having a broken toe.
Fawad Alam second Test century - some 11 years after his first. Genuinely confusing why he missed so many matches when his red ball record is fantastic.

Played in my league for a few years as pro. I’ve seen league bowlers rush him on the short ball and from the highlights I have seen of this test didn’t look convincing on the shorter stuff.
Great great player of spin though.

My guess is he’s viewed as abit of a flat track bully and racks runs up in PAK but in reality his game isn’t overly suited to test cricket
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Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 31, 2020, 05:20:45 PM
Played in my league for a few years as pro. I’ve seen league bowlers rush him on the short ball and from the highlights I have seen of this test didn’t look convincing on the shorter stuff.
Great great player of spin though.

My guess is he’s viewed as abit of a flat track bully and racks runs up in PAK but in reality his game isn’t overly suited to test cricket
I get what you’re saying but if you average 55-60 for 10 consecutive years you probably deserve more than 6 Test caps.
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Post by: Jeff Navarro on December 31, 2020, 05:21:20 PM
Unsurprisingly Neil Wagner will miss second Test
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Post by: billyb on January 03, 2021, 12:00:03 AM
This is your regular 'Billy thinks Jamieson is the real deal' update.
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Post by: jamesisapayne on January 03, 2021, 12:27:01 PM
This is your regular 'Billy thinks Jamieson is the real deal' update.

He certainly looks a handful, but I’d like to see how he gets on outside of New Zealand, especially the sub continent before calling him the real deal. He’s got all the assets by the looks of it, not express but quick enough for sure.

Trouble is New Zealand are literally preparing every wicket as a bowl first track which is pretty much the only place in the world where this happens, so straight away conditions are right in his favour.

He reminds me a bit of Chris Tremlett back around 2010-11, big, tall, nice action with the ball coming down from about 10ft!!
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: benny231 on January 03, 2021, 12:39:59 PM

Trouble is New Zealand are literally preparing every wicket as a bowl first track which is pretty much the only place in the world where this happens, so straight away conditions are right in his favour.


The decks are green, sure, but I don't believe they are offering as much assistance as their appearance would suggest. Before this test, NZ has been sent in on decks a lot greener than today's and posted 519/7, 460 and 431. In NZ, if you don't leave enough grass on the deck it basically becomes a dead wicket by day 2, and produces very dull matches due to the fact that our pitches very rarely take any turn.

Agreed though, Jamieson looks like he has all the right things to succeed, will be interesting to see how he performs overseas!
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Post by: billyb on January 03, 2021, 02:29:39 PM
I'm excited to see how he does overseas. He's incredibly tall - NZ's tallest cricketer at 6ft 8, and with his pace I think that will help him overseas. We shall see though! Either way, really promising start to his career.
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Post by: billyb on January 04, 2021, 04:41:06 AM
This Williamson lad seems alright. Wonder if he'll make it?
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Post by: csnew on January 04, 2021, 11:30:48 AM
KW top test batsman at the moment
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: wasted_talent on January 04, 2021, 11:32:53 AM
Damn, Pakistan really struggling all round.

Was digging deeper, Mo Abbas, since Jan 2019 has a strike rate of 93! Over a period of 2 years, his taken more than 2 wickets only once. Surely Pakistan have to look at alternative options?
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Post by: csnew on January 04, 2021, 12:28:40 PM
Abbas down on pace, looks to have lost that zip from his injury. Opposition players batting outside the crease to counter him
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: wasted_talent on January 04, 2021, 12:47:16 PM
definitely

surprised riz did not stand up to counter that. but with that loss of pace his lost his ability to take wickets judging by the stats over last 2 years. time for a new face to lead the attack i think.
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Post by: jamesisapayne on January 04, 2021, 04:07:15 PM
This Williamson lad seems alright. Wonder if he'll make it?

He’s some player isn’t he.

His powers of concentration are unbelievable, and his technique is so solid it’s a real shock when he plays a false shot or gets out.

He must just love the whole process of batting on such a fundamental level that he gets absorbed into everything about it. Might sound a bit deep, but the amount of times he digs NZ out of a hole and puts the team in strong positions to win is incredible and I don’t know how else you could concentrate for that long and produce the goods at the same time repeatedly
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Post by: cricketbadger on January 04, 2021, 06:38:27 PM
There simply isn't any way you could not like Williamson. What a player
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Post by: billyb on January 04, 2021, 07:51:11 PM
I think he's the best player in the world at the moment. Would Kohli or Smith do as well in NZ's side?
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Post by: alba caerulea on January 04, 2021, 08:30:06 PM
He must be NZs best ever?

The only one ive seen thats close is Martin Crowe
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Post by: ppccopener on January 04, 2021, 09:49:39 PM
Crowe would be the only NZ batsman I could think of. fabulous player in an average team-apart from Hadlee the other world class player at the time.

Smith,Kholi and Williamson are out of their own.
KW I prefer to watch as defensively he is as good as I’ve seen-just awesome
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Post by: potzy248 on January 04, 2021, 09:52:37 PM
You can really see his change this season after a dismal Aussie tour. His concentration is far more visible now as he was getting into a stage last season where he would waft outside off regularly or play an attacking shot to a good ball. I think he has taken a leaf out of Pre this series Smith where he would rarely play a false shot. You watch him now and if its a good ball he want play at it of dead bat it, Over pitched 4, too short 4, stray on pads 4. I think the Aussie tour really hurt him and he has worked very hard. Even the greats must keep adapting and working hard to improve (I imagine Smith is going through this right now but will come good again).
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Post by: csnew on January 04, 2021, 10:33:10 PM
3rd life for nicholls and second for KW. This is just embarrassing from Pak now
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Post by: potzy248 on January 05, 2021, 02:17:17 AM
And Azhar drops Kane again. They are horrible fielders. The bowlers must have big hearts.
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Post by: brokenbat on January 05, 2021, 02:28:48 AM
And Azhar drops Kane again. They are horrible fielders. The bowlers must have big hearts.

I wonder if it’s because they’ve been forced to stand a lot closer to Kane (given how soft he plays the ball) - commentators were mentioning that earlier
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Post by: billyb on January 05, 2021, 03:59:02 AM
200 and counting for KW.
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Post by: InternalTraining on January 05, 2021, 04:31:37 AM
The bowlers must have big hearts.

Keeping all that anger inside must be bad for their spirit. It'd be nice if one of them bowlers just removes the dropping fielder from the slip cordon, raise his finger like an ump. "Go!"



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Post by: csnew on January 05, 2021, 08:19:55 AM
Masood really does get a lot of ducks. He gets one score per series and the rest are single figures - can see him being dropped
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Post by: SLA on January 05, 2021, 11:23:01 AM
I wonder if it’s because they’ve been forced to stand a lot closer to Kane (given how soft he plays the ball) - commentators were mentioning that earlier

I always think standing closer is a terrible tactic. You go from catching the ones that carry to not catching any at all: from 50% to 0%. Has anyone ever seen a slip move a lot closer and actually catch a nick that would otherwise have fallen short?
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Post by: benny231 on January 05, 2021, 12:09:52 PM
I always think standing closer is a terrible tactic. You go from catching the ones that carry to not catching any at all: from 50% to 0%. Has anyone ever seen a slip move a lot closer and actually catch a nick that would otherwise have fallen short?

That's an interesting one. And you make a fair point. You very rarely see it pay off.

I guess there could be an argument that it may change the way a batsman plays the ball - if hes using soft hands knowing it wont carry, and all of a sudden the fielder is there, it may cause him to do something different? That's a bit of a stretch though!

Another reason would be playing the percentages game. For a guy like Kane, you're more likely to have 5-10 edges drop short for every full blooded edge that would carry, so the likelihood of 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 half chances sticking is probably higher than a regulation edge carrying.
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Post by: potzy248 on January 05, 2021, 05:24:09 PM
I always think standing closer is a terrible tactic. You go from catching the ones that carry to not catching any at all: from 50% to 0%. Has anyone ever seen a slip move a lot closer and actually catch a nick that would otherwise have fallen short?

Its the risk you take to change a batsman's game plan. Abbas gets more wickets with batsman in there crease so you need to weigh up whether the risk of missing an edge is worth it. I think with how Pakistan were going the risk was worth it (and they weren't catching them anyway).
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Post by: brokenbat on January 06, 2021, 01:37:44 AM
Jaimeson is a legend in the making - swings it both ways like Jimmy Anderson, and also has the height and pace to bully batsmen.
Title: Re: NZ v Pak - T20 Series
Post by: billyb on January 06, 2021, 01:52:24 AM
5-33... I'm telling you, this kid has it all.