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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: AJ2014 on March 24, 2021, 09:57:37 AM
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Bats feeling lighter or heavier with the course of time, even being stored in the same area.
Are muscles too a factor to consider?
How often has this happened? Thanks
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I think over the winter bats definitely feel heavier especially in the UK but I think a lot of it is just in our head and also based on form. Yeah, I think your strength changing can definitely affect it too, I noticed my Kookaburra felt lighter since I am still growing but then again maybe its just in my head ;)
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Is your question how often do bats change weight based on moisture levels or how often would you expect your muscular strength to change enough to effect your perception of the weight of the bat?
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Put your bats on the scales. They could have gained some moisture in the winter.
Or you could have to do some work in the gym...
Bearing in mind there has been a pretty wet winter and we have been in lockdown, I am expecting both.
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I think over the winter bats definitely feel heavier especially in the UK but I think a lot of it is just in our head and also based on form. Yeah, I think your strength changing can definitely affect it too, I noticed my Kookaburra felt lighter since I am still growing but then again maybe its just in my head ;)
Enjoy your cricket, thanks for sharing your thought
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Put your bats on the scales. They could have gained some moisture in the winter.
Or you could have to do some work in the gym...
Bearing in mind there has been a pretty wet winter and we have been in lockdown, I am expecting both.
You mean to say gained a lot of weight? 😀😃
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Is your question how often do bats change weight based on moisture levels or how often would you expect your muscular strength to change enough to effect your perception of the weight of the bat?
Both, actually, guessing both have to do with each other
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It's totally possible that 1 bat has gained moisture (and therefore weight), and 1 bat has lost moisture.
Depends on the humidity of the room they were in and the moisture content of the willow before you left them.
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I also find that storing bats in a garage/environment with more humidity, the willow fibers can expand and roughen the surface finish a little.
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Is storing bats in attic/loft a good idea?
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I also find that storing bats in a garage/environment with more humidity, the willow fibers can expand and roughen the surface finish a little.
Noticed this too... I bought a GM Noir Signature last year at the end of the season and left it in the garage and picked it up recently and the finishing seemed worse than when I originally got it.
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Is this not just normal fluctuations in how wood is?
Would end of season care with an oiling etc avoid this?
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Can honestly say I’ve never noticed a change in weight of any bat I have e be ever owned, and there have been a LOT.
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It's totally possible that 1 bat has gained moisture (and therefore weight), and 1 bat has lost moisture.
Depends on the humidity of the room they were in and the moisture content of the willow before you left them.
Makes sense,
I'm also trying to understand the influence of muscles to bat's weights, pickups and feeling
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I also find that storing bats in a garage/environment with more humidity, the willow fibers can expand and roughen the surface finish a little.
I only store them in my room, at room temperature which is at least at comfortable feel.
Non of them felt dry at all, even butterfly had a very light coat and later had to wipe oil.
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Is storing bats in attic/loft a good idea?
No, they will dry out.
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Can honestly say I’ve never noticed a change in weight of any bat I have e be ever owned, and there have been a LOT.
Where do you store them? Face sheet on all of them?
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I store them in my bedroom. The mrs doesnt seem to mind so far.
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I store them in my bedroom. The mrs doesnt seem to mind so far.
That's a proper weird place to store cricket bats.
Are you checking out her nerves or what?
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not quite but there's a space between our ikea pax wardrobes where about 3-4 bats have good space.
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not quite but there's a space between our ikea pax wardrobes where about 3-4 bats have good space.
Still, it's a weird place to store, can you not put them away somewhere else?
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Is this not just normal fluctuations in how wood is?
This is a very good observation, which only guys have been using many bats or bat makers themselves are able to confirm!
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Where do you store them? Face sheet on all of them?
Yes, face sheet on all. In winter I keep them in a room at the far end of the house so I can admire them. In summer they’re either in the boot of the car or in the garage if I can be bothered to take them out when I get home on a Sunday evening.
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Would end of season care with an oiling etc avoid this?
I follow more before the start of season refurbishment.
This is very interesting point which I don't had ever been discussed, I guess.
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Yes, face sheet on all. In winter I keep them in a room at the far end of the house so I can admire them. In summer they’re either in the boot of the car or in the garage if I can be bothered to take them out when I get home on a Sunday evening.
Very interesting.
2 totally different mathods
Can't use car boot, as don't have a car.
I Avoid face sheets thinking they add some weight And the sound of willow without one, sounds better 🙂
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Very interesting.
2 totally different mathods
Can't use car boot, as don't have a car.
I Avoid face sheets thinking they add some weight And the sound of willow without one, sounds better 🙂
I don’t think the weight of a face sheet is perceptible - It weights next to nothing.
Agree on the sound though, but I’d rather have a slightly muted sound than suffer the inevitable dread of looking at your bat when you inside edge one and see the damage it has caused.
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I don
Agree on the sound though, but I’d rather have a slightly muted sound than suffer the inevitable dread of looking at your bat when you inside edge one and see the damage it has caused.
I use thick edge tape for edges and toe. Apply 2x or 3x if needed 😀
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Still, it's a weird place to store, can you not put them away somewhere else?
You sure this isn't your missus' undercover account dropping you hints @suraj ? :D
Don't find the bedroom cupboard to be a weird place to store them personally - wherever the moisture/temperature levels don't fluctuate much is as good as any. I've had a bunch of Kippaxes which have put on an ounce and a half in storage conditions where other bats didn't change. Has a fair bit to do with how the clefts are dried and the conditions of the place of manufacture/retail store compared to your storage space.
Reckon I'll be using a slightly lighter bat this year as I've not been doing much physical activity over the past year.
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I don’t think the weight of a face sheet is perceptible - It weights next to nothing.
The stiffer more plastic type of face sheets like hammer edge are about 0.75oz and the helicopter scuff sheets are around 0.4oz. Adding a toe guard will be around 0.25oz as well, so you could add in the region of 1oz to a bat by fitting a scuff sheet and toe guard.
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You sure this isn't your missus' undercover account dropping you hints @suraj ? :D
Don't find the bedroom cupboard to be a weird place to store them personally - wherever the moisture/temperature levels don't fluctuate much is as good as any. I've had a bunch of Kippaxes which have put on an ounce and a half in storage conditions where other bats didn't change. Has a fair bit to do with how the clefts are dried and the conditions of the place of manufacture/retail store compared to your storage space.
Reckon I'll be using a slightly lighter bat this year as I've not been doing much physical activity over the past year.
What if he leaves cupboard door open and can't take his eyes off his bats?
That's a shame getting those bats heavier for whatever reason.
Would you like to share what weight you used last year and what weight you're thinking of using this year? Chad
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The stiffer more plastic type of face sheets like hammer edge are about 0.75oz and the helicopter scuff sheets are around 0.4oz. Adding a toe guard will be around 0.25oz as well, so you could add in the region of 1oz to a bat by fitting a scuff sheet and toe guard.
We’re not talking about toe guards. Obviously they will make more of a difference as they are at the very end of the opposite end you’re holding - basic physics. A scuff sheet is a tiny amount of weight, spread evenly across a large surface area. I’ve just weighed one - 12g, and that’s including the backing sheet. I reckon the backing sheet makes up 1/3 of the total weight, so you’re talking 8g or 0.28oz.
If anyone says they can feel the difference between a bat that weighs 2lb 10oz and 2lb 10.28oz then they are speaking utter nonsense. However, Paul from IJC will probably give you a job. :D
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Interesting you're weighing a scuff much less, mine were weighed after removal. I'm certainly not trying to say you can feel a .25oz difference, I'm just saying a collective weight of circa 1oz (your add on's may vary) is not really negligible. It's certainly not major either!
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If you truly want the answer, get a digital food scale and weigh time to time. In my experience, bats do gain/lose weight (up to 1 oz). Also depends on where your bats are coming from, and what the humidity level of the origin is relative to yours - this is why any bat I get from the Uk, drops 1-1.5oz here in North America (houses are drier due to heating during winters), whereas Indian bats don’t show much change. Also, a bat that is newly manufactured, will have more moisture to lose than something that’s been sitting on the shelf for a year.
Get a scale and track the changes - going by feel isn’t enough as the same weight can feel lighter/heavier on different days.
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We’re not talking about toe guards. Obviously they will make more of a difference as they are at the very end of the opposite end you’re holding - basic physics. A scuff sheet is a tiny amount of weight, spread evenly across a large surface area. I’ve just weighed one - 12g, and that’s including the backing sheet. I reckon the backing sheet makes up 1/3 of the total weight, so you’re talking 8g or 0.28oz.
If anyone says they can feel the difference between a bat that weighs 2lb 10oz and 2lb 10.28oz then they are speaking utter nonsense. However, Paul from IJC will probably give you a job. :D
The clear sheets are closer to 0.5 oz. @SurreySam is correct. The fibre sheets are much lighter at 0.25oz. I think GM sheets are a smidge thinner than the other clear sheets, and are about 0.35 oz (that’s how much the removed Stokes sheet weighed when I took it off).
And each person is different - to me 0.3 oz does make a difference in feel. Inzimam was famous for just grabbing any bat lying around and going out to play - he didn’t care about the weight at all. To each their own. Rather than telling people they are speaking nonsense for being able to tell the difference in 0.3-0.5 oz, let them decide on their own.
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Get a scale and track the changes - going by feel isn’t enough as the same weight can feel lighter/heavier on different days.
This is actually what I'm experiencing but why? That's what I want to know, has this got to do how body muscles are feeling or arm muscles, tiredness? There must be some exploration for this, it doesn't seem that bat is weighting differently every other day
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This is actually what I'm experiencing but why? That's what I want to know, has this got to do how body muscles are feeling or arm muscles, tiredness? There must be some exploration for this, it doesn't seem that bat is weighting differently every other day
Its both from my experience. I do have a set of digital scales which I have used to weigh bats for the sake of curiosity. They do fluctuate both up and down to a surprising degree.
In terms of how heavy they feel when you use them, your perception will also fluctuate based on muscle fatigue and recovery. If I pick up a bat the day after I have been doing pull ups which fatigue the muscles in the forearms, it feels far heavier than 2 days letter when the muscles have repaired.
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Its both from my experience. I do have a set of digital scales which I have used to weigh bats for the sake of curiosity. They do fluctuate both up and down to a surprising degree.
In terms of how heavy they feel when you use them, your perception will also fluctuate based on muscle fatigue and recovery. If I pick up a bat the day after I have been doing pull ups which fatigue the muscles in the forearms, it feels far heavier than 2 days letter when the muscles have repaired.
Thanks for sharing SD.
So after lifting light weights arm elbow and shoulder feel good, picking up bat later on the day or next day feels heavier, that's what might have been happening.
but then, if lifting not even light weights, then how will I get a stronger/arms? Not only batting, but for bowling and throwin the ball?
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Thanks for sharing SD.
So after lifting light weights arm elbow and shoulder feel good, picking up bat later on the day or next day feels heavier, that's what might have been happening.
but then, if lifting not even light weights, then how will I get a stronger/arms? Not only batting, but for bowling and throwin the ball?
Simple solution as a quick fix prior to nets /games - shadow bat with 2 bats held together, then switch to the bat you’re using.
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Simple solution as a quick fix prior to nets /games - shadow bat with 2 bats held together, then switch to the bat you’re using.
That's simple solution for you man! 😀😀😀
For me impossible!
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That's simple solution for you man! 😀😀😀
For me impossible!
Or get a weighted bar. There is no other way to make the bat feel lighter prior to going out to bat. Other players will vary their grip - lower if the bat is feeling too heavy, higher if feeling too light. After a certain point, you’re just overthinking things.
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Or get a weighted bar. There is no other way to make the bat feel lighter prior to going out to bat. Other players will vary their grip - lower if the bat is feeling too heavy, higher if feeling too light. After a certain point, you’re just overthinking things.
Guess me getting old, has to do with this
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But this question arises, do I totally stop lifting weight, even light weights?
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But miss question arises, do I totally stop lifting weight, even light weights?
No, its good to lift just make sure you give yourself enough rest before training or a match so your muscles recover from the soreness. Diet can be vital too.
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No, its good to lift just make sure you give yourself enough rest before training or a match so your muscles recover from the soreness. Diet can be vital too.
This is good advise, I'll try to handle myself with more care 👍
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Or be like the madman I used to play football with - who would run a 10K 'for fun' then come play a full football match right after - and lift weights on the days you have cricket training and matches.
Realistically, if you are as you say getting older, it'll take longer to recover from any challenging exercise so just allow more time for recovery and it'll be fine.
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Or be like the madman I used to play football with - who would run a 10K 'for fun' then come play a full football match right after - and lift weights on the days you have cricket training and matches.
Realistically, if you are as you say getting older, it'll take longer to recover from any challenging exercise so just allow more time for recovery and it'll be fine.
That's more than madness! 😀
Couldn't have done that all, when I was 25!
Atm I'm 55,
Little niggles take ages getting rid off!
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But this question arises, do I totally stop lifting weight, even light weights?
@AJ2014 Have you thought about doing bodyweight exercises rather than weights? Push up, pull ups, etc. Press ups can be effective for muscle endurance training. Or alternatively please do one of the following:
1. Stop over thinking things. Pick up bat, feels good, see ball...hit ball.
2. Wood is a natural product. Leave it somewhere hot or near a radiator and it will lose weight. Leave it somewhere moist and cold and it will gain weight. Adjust where you leave the bat accordingly.
3. Please see point one.
:)
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@AJ2014 Have you thought about doing bodyweight exercises rather than weights? Push up, pull ups, etc. Press ups can be effective for muscle endurance training. Or alternatively please do one of the following:
1. Stop over thinking things. Pick up bat, feels good, see ball...hit ball.
2. Wood is a natural product. Leave it somewhere hot or near a radiator and it will lose weight. Leave it somewhere moist and cold and it will gain weight. Adjust where you leave the bat accordingly.
3. Please see point one.
:)
Thanks JT
I'm not a strong bodied person
I'll try to these exercises you've mentioned
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Just start off nice and slowly.
3 sets of 10 etc. and then build up.
And don't over think.
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Just start off nice and slowly.
3 sets of 10 etc. and then build up.
And don't over think.
I'll listen to you,
I've started cycling for my back, lower body and knees, and it makes a lot of difference, all positives
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I am going to venture a guess and say that your bats are way too heavy for you. Nothing to be ashamed of - Gary Sobers used 2lb 2oz bats. Look at how light Kohlis bat looks when he’s batting. Now compare his strength to yours.... I suggest going waaaay down in weight - like 2lb 6 or even lower. Should also be good for any back issues.
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I am going to venture a guess and say that your bats are way too heavy for you. Nothing to be ashamed of - Gary Sobers used 2lb 2oz bats. Look at how light Kohlis bat looks when he’s batting. Now compare his strength to yours.... I suggest going waaaay down in weight - like 2lb 6 or even lower. Should also be good for any back issues.
Thing is when you keep buying bats, because it's profile etc, you make harder to use actually the right weight or right bat. Bought 4 lighter bats under 2lb 8oz and then ventured into 2lb 9oz - 2lb 10oz, for their profiles.
And yes, their profile feels perfect for me, Ironically I feel the same for other 4🤔
Purpose for road cycling is getting fitter 😀
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Thanks for sharing SD.
So after lifting light weights arm elbow and shoulder feel good, picking up bat later on the day or next day feels heavier, that's what might have been happening.
but then, if lifting not even light weights, then how will I get a stronger/arms? Not only batting, but for bowling and throwin the ball?
Assuming that your priority is cricket and you are trying to fit strenght and conditioning aound (as opposed to training being your focus) I would suggest not doing any training that will fatigue your muscles the day before a game. After that, it is a question of your recovery time which factors like age, diet and quality of sleep will impact on. I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to fit in 2-4 weights sessions a week during the season if you are playing at the weekend only. Outside of the season is the opportunity to do a lot of the fitness work you need for the season though when you aren't having to schedule it around playing commitments
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A bat feeling heavier could just be a forum classic excuse for a new bat :)
There is a great app for general strength training - freeletics there are some great free work outs
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What does this have to do with your original topic?
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What does this have to do with your original topic?
Starting another thread
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Interesting thread. Got a bit obsessed with this over the winter and started recording in a chart.
In summary my findings were that for around 20 bats, when moved to the garage for a few days they would put on between 1-1.5 ounces and when moved back into the house they would go on a diet again over the course of a week or so. Not too surprisingly, bigger bats seemed to gain more weight than smaller bats. I also found that scuff sheets didn't always make a difference and some with a scuff would gain and shed weight in exactly the same proportions as non-scuffed bats.
Other interesting results were that a couple of Indian bats didn't change weight much at all and similarly GM bats seem to maintain their weight better than most.
Most of this was during the wettest winter period and my garage is quite rickety and old so I guess would be exactly the same humidity as open air.
Hardly scientific but enough to show me 100% that weights can vary by almost a couple of ounces just by moving in or out of the house.
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I was always told to store my bats somewhere where the temp doesn’t change, I’ve always done that but have never been someone fussed on bat weights, if it feels right it feels right for me, but during the winter/pre season/early season I’ve always used a heavier bat (2/3oz heavier) so I play the ball later. But after a couple weeks when the muscle memory kicks back in, I’d feel comfortable using anything between 2.8-3lb with no issues