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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: adb club cricketer on July 30, 2021, 04:42:16 PM
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His finger wasn’t healed looks like when he agreed to skipper that quickly arranged one day team.
But the metal health of the players has to be looked after, as discussed in the winter tour thread.
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Very sad that Stokes will be missing but his well being is the most important thing.
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Even without Stokes, don't see Ind posing any significant challenge in upcoming tests.
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Bet he won't pull out of Franchise / IPL cricket.....
Still, sad to hear if he is suffering.
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Bet he won't pull out of Franchise / IPL cricket.....
Still, sad to hear if he is suffering.
If he is struggling with his physical and mental health now then he needs to take a break now. We're not his doctors or his psychologists, not for us to say when it's appropriate or necessary for him to take a break.
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If he is struggling with his physical and mental health now then he needs to take a break now. We're not his doctors or his psychologists, not for us to say when it's appropriate or necessary for him to take a break.
Yea but that wouldn’t allow him to shoehorn his opinion about white ball cricket into this thread would it
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If he is struggling with his physical and mental health now then he needs to take a break now. We're not his doctors or his psychologists, not for us to say when it's appropriate or necessary for him to take a break.
Totally. He gives everything in an England shirt and any team he represents so the timing cannot be anything other than it needs to happen now, maybe the start of something has happened and he's taken advice.
As I said in the winter tour thread, bubbles, huge time away from home and restrictions on what you can and cannot do must take their toll.
I think myself the argument so and so earns a million a year is no longer valid, we live in times where high salaries for high profile sportsmen and women are common.
If you look at the current restrictions on this winters tour, if nothing changes about families touring, it's a receipe for long term mental health issues.
The money in cricket distorts the way some people think. Things are changing, mental health is getting closer to physical health, perhaps the two are still not close enough some may think.
The England team plays virtually all year round, I'm not sure there are many,if any, other teams that play as much as we do-that has to be a factor here.
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Bet he won't pull out of Franchise / IPL cricket.....
Still, sad to hear if he is suffering.
This includes the 100, he's based at home for that not Inna bubble so yeah, I imagine he will pull out of other franchises
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Even without Stokes, don't see Ind posing any significant challenge in upcoming tests.
I'll have some of whatever you've been taking...
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I'll have some of whatever you've been taking...
lol, i wouldnt go by ind performance in aus. Under swinging conditions as we saw in wtc final, ind batting unit is a different one..
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but are they going to be as bad as our batting unit in swinging conditions :D :D :D
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Yea but that wouldn’t allow him to shoehorn his opinion about white ball cricket into this thread would it
oh yes... different opinions not born from what others tell you or the ECB are bad on this forum.. I forgot that. My bad for having my own opinion that differs from yours. Thanks for being inclusive though fella. Top lad I'm sure
I''m such a bad person though you're right. Never help anyone me
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but are they going to be as bad as our batting unit in swinging conditions :D :D :D
It'll be pot luck in the test series. Both teams aren't very good when it's not flat and haven't played much actual cricket. Enjoy it for what it is but don't take it seriously if <insert player of your choice> happens to get 0 or 100.. It's not going to be any indication of what they could do in the Ashes etc.
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I'll have some of whatever you've been taking...
Me too, i think it could be very even, Stokes and Stones out and who knows with Archer 🤷
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We don't have enough strength in our batting to be favourites for the series,Stokes now out, no Stone, Archer won't be rushed back.india have enough in their pace and spin attack to cause us problems.
I've got it fairly even, An India win would not be a surprise at all
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Don’t give India a sniff tbh. Their biggest weakness is their captain and his puppet Shastri. If they are stupid enough to select two spinners on a raging green tops during the WTC final what hope will they have over 5 tests?
Coupled with Kohli’s obsession with Bumrah who’s been dreadful in recent times
4-0 home win. Easy money
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4-0 home win. Easy money
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I'll take that bet.
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Don’t give India a sniff tbh. Their biggest weakness is their captain and his puppet Shastri. If they are stupid enough to select two spinners on a raging green tops during the WTC final what hope will they have over 5 tests?
Coupled with Kohli’s obsession with Bumrah who’s been dreadful in recent times
4-0 home win. Easy money
India really aren't that good, more especially in England with the moving ball. It'll come down to the odd batsmen having a good day out and probably turning the tide in a one off innings
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India really aren't that good, more especially in England with the moving ball. It'll come down to the odd batsmen having a good day out and probably turning the tide in a one off innings
England aren't that good either. I can see it being a close series.
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I'd be happily surprised if England won this series. I hope it will be a very close, hard-fought series with some great moments! I want a Pope 200!
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Under these conditions and with Stokes out, there may not be much diff in the batting between the two sides. Kohli at his best during last Eng tour still couldn't force a result in Ind favor, and current Kohli, Rahane and Pujara are all way below their peak. Not sure Vihari deserves his place at 6 either, he can block few balls and bat time but can hardly score. Test avg of 32 after 21 innings, this may be his last chance if he doesn't score.
Difference between the two sides is really the bowling. Eng have bowlers suited for the conditions, a little let off guard and Anderson and Broad will run amok. Don't think Ind have the bowlers to exploit the swinging conditions. Not to mention bizarre selections of Kohli/Sastry like they did in WTC picking two spinners on green top, cloud conditions and rain washed out first day.
Another huge yet underrated advantage Eng have is a clearly better lower order batting. Last time Ind toured Eng, I felt Sam Curran did more to influence the final result than anyone else with the amount of runs he scored in the lower order. With his aggressive batting, he is just the right guy at the slot to take on the tired bowlers at that stage.
Eng 5-0 or 4-1 is my guess assuming no rain wash outs.
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Where do people get the idea that the Indian bowling attack won't enjoy swinging and seaming pitches? Bumrah, Shami, Siraj and Ishant are all more than capable of exploiting conditions.
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Where do people get the idea that the Indian bowling attack won't enjoy swinging and seaming pitches? Bumrah, Shami, Siraj and Ishant are all more than capable of exploiting conditions.
We saw that in WTC final or even during last Eng tour - their actual performance under these conditions, so no need to second guess. Yes they ll pick more wickets than in the subcontinent, but not enough to run through top quality sides.
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WTC final they got their attack wrong with the double spinners. Doubt they'll make that mistake again. Add in Siraj and their attack looks very dangerous to me.
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Agree with 4-0, however that's more likely to be in the Indians favour.
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England need scoreboard pressure to win against India, if it's dry we don't have outstanding spinners, Leach is good and probably our best. Dom Bess is a mixed bag of good and very average. If it seams they have good bowlers to exploit the conditions. shami is excellent and they have 3 other good ones.
Stokes is probably our second best batsman and out of every game, we just will not put enough runs on the board. Root is carrying our batting and has done for ages.
5-0 or 4-0 I just cannot believe anyone is seriously predicting that score, where are we getting the runs from to put 350 or even 400 on the board?
Apart from Root who are our bankers to get a hundred? I'd love to hear it :)
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Agree with 4-0, however that's more likely to be in the Indians favour.
Now, that is interesting. If we are seeing similar predictions like 4-0 but differing in opinion as to the winner, then it sure gonna be an interesting series. Maybe the weaknesses the two teams have makes it very attractive.
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Apart from Root who are our bankers to get a hundred? I'd love to hear it :)
I think in home conditions the Burns, Sibleys, Crawleys, Lawrences will come good just like the Dhawans and Murali Vijays in Ind conditions though their place in the side might always be up for debate. Not to mention the man I would still pick to
make the diff with both bat and ball -- Sam Curran. Then there are Butler and Bairstow - expect at least one of them to make an impact. If both of them come good, then Eng will strike gold.
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I think in home conditions the Burns, Sibleys, Crawleys, Lawrences will come good just like the Dhawans and Murali Vijays in Ind conditions though their place in the side might always be up for debate. Not to mention the man I would still pick to
make the diff with both bat and ball -- Sam Curran. Then there are Butler and Bairstow - expect at least one of them to make an impact. If both of them come good, then Eng will strike gold.
Not having Stokes makes such a huge difference to the effect of even swaying who wins this series.
Now only being such a good player, but he completely unbalances the England side as was shown in the NZ series. Does Pope and Buttler now have to bat a spot higher to get in an extra AR to cover Stokes overs? Or a straight batter in at 5 like Lawrence?
I brings in alot of options and questions for the side.
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England aren't that good either. I can see it being a close series.
That's quite literally what I said.... It'll just come down to a batsmen on any side having a good day.. aka, probably more luck than anything for either side
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I'm concerned that our batsmen have had poor preparation.
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Why are these players from western countries across sports so mentally fragile? You would never hear something like this from players in the sub continent about poor mental well being. I guess the struggles one goes thru in the sub continent really toughen you up as a person. Its a shame really! I assume counselling wouldnt help either in such cases.
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Why are these players from western countries across sports so mentally fragile? You would never hear something like this from players in the sub continent about poor mental well being. I guess the struggles one goes thru in the sub continent really toughen you up as a person. Its a shame really! I assume counselling wouldnt help either in such cases.
Sorry but that is an utterly idiotic comment. Choosing to look after your health is not being 'fragile'. Your comment about counselling really betrays how ill informed your stance here is, maybe stick to commenting on cricket.
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Why are these players from western countries across sports so mentally fragile? You would never hear something like this from players in the sub continent about poor mental well being. I guess the struggles one goes thru in the sub continent really toughen you up as a person. Its a shame really! I assume counselling wouldnt help either in such cases.
It's not such as new thing, cricket has more than a few cases going back over the years.The bubble life on tour has brought out issues players have to deal with now, restrictions on movements,time away from family.
It was over a year ago Eoin Morgan said the bio secure bubbles are not sustainable,so he already knew there would be issues for the players.Recently mental and physical health are getting closer together which can only be a good thing.
You have your view but if you want to expand another viewpoint try a book called The Curse of the Strong by Dr Tim Cantopher.
The book is broken down for the layman understanding of how the mind works and a explanation of stress points,coping methods and what type of personalities can be affected by mental health issues.
It's a real eye opening explanation anyone can understand.
I can thoroughly recommend it.
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Sorry but that is an utterly idiotic comment. Choosing to look after your health is not being 'fragile'. Your comment about counselling really betrays how ill informed your stance here is, maybe stick to commenting on cricket.
I know I may be exposing myself to abuse by putting my point forward but this is really how I feel. Generally in western countries, players come from good backgrounds and have been protected all their lives. They have never really had to struggle hard unlike most players from developing countries. I did say that counselling will probably not help as this is only something that can be experienced. It is what it is. Different backgrounds, different situations; which is why maybe I might not understand.
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Sorry but that is an utterly idiotic comment.
You have the right to an opinion and I'm not going to shoot you for it but..... kinda agree with the above fella sadly.
Sub Continent doesn't have stronger mentalities .. it's just not accepted to admit to issues yet. Western nations were the same many years ago but have evolved (for good AND BAD). You just haven't had players admit to this stuff yet
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You have the right to an opinion and I'm not going to shoot you for it but..... kinda agree with the above fella sadly.
Sub Continent doesn't have stronger mentalities .. it's just not accepted to admit to issues yet. Western nations were the same many years ago but have evolved (for good AND BAD). You just haven't had players admit to this stuff yet
Agree with you on this.
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Sub Continent doesn't have stronger mentalities .. it's just not accepted to admit to issues yet. Western nations were the same many years ago but have evolved (for good AND BAD). You just haven't had players admit to this stuff yet
You could be right...but I dont see this happening with players of developing countries for years to come. As you correctly mentioned it has evolved in the western countries for good and bad. But in developing countries where everything in life is a fight and struggle, you would never see someone give up their spot.
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Isn’t it more that it still has a lot of stigma attached in less developed countries?
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You could be right...but I dont see this happening with players of developing countries for years to come. As you correctly mentioned it has evolved in the western countries for good and bad. But in developing countries where everything in life is a fight and struggle, you would never see someone give up their spot.
You will not get the point!
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A lot ‘more’ stigma I should have said. Still
Plenty attached here.
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Will be interesting to see if Stokes plays in the IPL in the autumn.
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Don’t give India a sniff tbh. Their biggest weakness is their captain and his puppet Shastri. If they are stupid enough to select two spinners on a raging green tops during the WTC final what hope will they have over 5 tests?
Coupled with Kohli’s obsession with Bumrah who’s been dreadful in recent times
4-0 home win. Easy money
Also this one @Jeff Navarro lol
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Stokes seems to be very involved with streaming Warzone lately. Seems to be very jovial when I've watched him (Not that he should be moping around crying all day) which is a good sign. Hopefully back soon.