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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: AJ2014 on February 03, 2022, 07:45:14 PM
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Just had a short indoor net with Heywood CC, bowled 2 dozen deliveries, took me half a dozen to get it right, but it's very satisfying to play cricket.
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@AJ2014 Did you have a bat?
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@AJ2014 Did you have a bat?
Number 11s don’t bat in the nets, isn’t that right @AJ2014
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Hell of a short net if you only bowled 24 balls, takes me about that many to get warmed up at our first indoor net of the year.
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@AJ2014 Did you have a bat?
@JTtaylor145
No time left to bat, they promised me I'll have a bat next week, but I'm not sure if I'll be available, depending on work.
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Hell of a short net if you only bowled 24 balls, takes me about that many to get warmed up at our first indoor net of the year.
I was very late to join, only had 20 minutes left, got there at 18:40!
Become an off spinner mate!
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Number 11s don’t bat in the nets, isn’t that right @AJ2014
Hahaha, nets are the the only time to bat freely, mate! You know what I mean.
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Hell of a short net if you only bowled 24 balls, takes me about that many to get warmed up at our first indoor net of the year.
I just remembered that last year's indoor took me like 4 deliveries, to get on right spot!
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Just coming back from 2 and a half hour nets, with 3 different clubs.
Truly exhausted! But enjoyed.
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I had 2 hours nets yesterday, very nice and talented guys!
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Did you get a chance to bat? What was the standard like?
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I had 2 hours nets yesterday, very nice and talented guys!
Did you use that lovely B&S?
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Did you get a chance to bat? What was the standard like?
Yes, they're pretty good in bowling, what I've seen, for the first time and first net for them,
A couple of Batters were good, half of the players didn't turn up.
Background was blue, one 1st team bowler was quick, rest were all payable, batted for 15 minutes.
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Shame the rest didnt turn up bet the super stars stayed at home lol. Never batted on a blue background. Was probably challenging with a dark cricket ball?
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Shame the rest didnt turn up bet the super stars stayed at home lol. Never batted on a blue background. Was probably challenging with a dark cricket ball?
Actually I was surprised that blue background didn't cause any issue. Might have been if quicky was bowling at his full pace, lol.
Weather might have kept them at home 🤔
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Actually I was surprised that blue background didn't cause any issue. Might have been if quicky was bowling at his full pace, lol.
Weather might have kept them at home 🤔
Hi Chaps, go easy please..
So I am trying to make a comeback after missing the last two seasons due mainly I guess to struggles with my mental health.
Have tried three clubs so far, and have netted a fair bit which has been fun.
Great to pick up a bat again, meet people who love cricket.
I am taking my time choosing the right club for me. I tried a Northants club midweek, called Spencer Bruern. Tempted to try a club in the Northants league.
I went to a net midweek at the Northamptonshire country ground. I understand it was the first club nets at the indoor centre since before Covid. It was absolutely rammed full of keen cricketers, both men and women.
Not sure I like the surface there- it is so hard and unrealistic,and quickly made my shins quite sore.
Cheers
Golders
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Hi Chaps, go easy please..
So I am trying to make a comeback after missing the last two seasons due mainly I guess to struggles with my mental health.
Have tried three clubs so far, and have netted a fair bit which has been fun.
Great to pick up a bat again, meet people who love cricket.
I am taking my time choosing the right club for me. I tried a Northants club midweek, called Spencer Bruern. Tempted to try a club in the Northants league.
I went to a net midweek at the Northamptonshire country ground. I understand it was the first club nets at the indoor centre since before Covid. It was absolutely rammed full of keen cricketers, both men and women.
Not sure I like the surface there- it is so hard and unrealistic,and quickly made my shins quite sore.
Cheers
Golders
Best advice will be to find nets where surface is suits you, if not, then wait for outdoor nets, to spare your energy and fit your best health.
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Or use extra soft cushioned shoes.
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Ollie has been working in the nets all winter. His club (Read CC) have really pushed things this season with a new guy running the juniors. So they have been doing "out of season" nets. It's keeping the boys engaged and involved, and looks to be having a positive impact. Winter nets start next week (same as out of season nets, but included in the price of our membership). Best of all for Ollie, adult nets have started up, and he loves being involved with that. You can see in the last couple of weeks the senior players recognising he's not as fragile as they think (he's 12, so 2 years younger than the other juniors that train with the adults), and they are not taking as much off their bowling as they were!
No wicket keeper training yet- and I remain concerned about the level of specialist training available for 'keepers. Ollie has actually had a lot- but it's all been organised by me finding people to help- and it's all outside the normal coaching. (For clarity, it is people involved in the club that have helped him- but it's depended on me asking them rather than the keeper training being built into the structure)
A new indoor net has opened in Manchester, so yesterday we went on a longer drive- and paid a bit more for a lane hire- because they have bowling machines. TBH it was just a fun session, and he enjoyed it. Started off at 45mph, he ran out of talent at 70! It was strange actually- he played 65 reasonably comfortably, but couldn't get a bat on 70. I was surprised at the cliff edge drop in performance. I asked him about facing balls like that, and he said he wasn't scared at any point, but just couldn't hit it. We also thought about the fastest bowler he normally faces, and he thought he was about 60mph (which is about what his dad says)- so it was good to push the edges and Ollie loves a challenge. I told him internationals face about 90- so he has a target! The funniest part was dropping the pace back to 45 and watching him play his shot as the ball was halfway down the pitch- he couldn't hit it! :D :D :D
As I said, the bowling machine was some fun. We'll do it again, but with some better focus. He can pick a shot to practise, and we'll just do 15 minutes using the accuracy of the deliveries to help.
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Ollie has been working in the nets all winter. His club (Read CC) have really pushed things this season with a new guy running the juniors. So they have been doing "out of season" nets. It's keeping the boys engaged and involved, and looks to be having a positive impact. Winter nets start next week (same as out of season nets, but included in the price of our membership). Best of all for Ollie, adult nets have started up, and he loves being involved with that. You can see in the last couple of weeks the senior players recognising he's not as fragile as they think (he's 12, so 2 years younger than the other juniors that train with the adults), and they are not taking as much off their bowling as they were!
No wicket keeper training yet- and I remain concerned about the level of specialist training available for 'keepers. Ollie has actually had a lot- but it's all been organised by me finding people to help- and it's all outside the normal coaching. (For clarity, it is people involved in the club that have helped him- but it's depended on me asking them rather than the keeper training being built into the structure)
A new indoor net has opened in Manchester, so yesterday we went on a longer drive- and paid a bit more for a lane hire- because they have bowling machines. TBH it was just a fun session, and he enjoyed it. Started off at 45mph, he ran out of talent at 70! It was strange actually- he played 65 reasonably comfortably, but couldn't get a bat on 70. I was surprised at the cliff edge drop in performance. I asked him about facing balls like that, and he said he wasn't scared at any point, but just couldn't hit it. We also thought about the fastest bowler he normally faces, and he thought he was about 60mph (which is about what his dad says)- so it was good to push the edges and Ollie loves a challenge. I told him internationals face about 90- so he has a target! The funniest part was dropping the pace back to 45 and watching him play his shot as the ball was halfway down the pitch- he couldn't hit it! :D :D :D
As I said, the bowling machine was some fun. We'll do it again, but with some better focus. He can pick a shot to practise, and we'll just do 15 minutes using the accuracy of the deliveries to help.
It's similar to what the pros say, the difference between 90 and 95mph is a MUCH bigger difference than 85 - 90.
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It's similar to what the pros say, the difference between 90 and 95mph is a MUCH bigger difference than 85 - 90.
Then start to do your chosen speeds when a bowler can change the swing from between 1 away and 4 away and if they are smart.. they'll just set you up. That really does keep you honest if you also do it at high speed.. no more standing and slogging, driving on the up or just playing with the eye .. really gets you to fight hard and have to execute when the odd bad ball is bowled.. depends if you want a test or just a pretty hitting session
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Then start to do your chosen speeds when a bowler can change the swing from between 1 away and 4 away and if they are smart.. they'll just set you up. That really does keep you honest if you also do it at high speed.. no more standing and slogging, driving on the up or just playing with the eye .. really gets you to fight hard and have to execute when the odd bad ball is bowled.. depends if you want a test or just a pretty hitting session
It was my first go with a bowling machine too. After about 15 minutes or so when I felt comfortable I started playing with the bias and trying to get him out and adding some challenge. It's hard to maintain focus and value your wicket in the nets. We normally try have some kind of challenge- so last night he had to survive 10 balls at 70 without getting bowled- and in return we get a hot chocolate on the way home. He failed................ but got the hot chocolate anyway!
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It was my first go with a bowling machine too. After about 15 minutes or so when I felt comfortable I started playing with the bias and trying to get him out and adding some challenge. It's hard to maintain focus and value your wicket in the nets. We normally try have some kind of challenge- so last night he had to survive 10 balls at 70 without getting bowled- and in return we get a hot chocolate on the way home. He failed................ but got the hot chocolate anyway!
It’s this kind of attitude that cost us the Ashes ;-)
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It’s this kind of attitude that cost us the Ashes ;-)
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Nah, least the kid tried.. did you see anyone even try to stay in in the ashes?!?!?
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It’s this kind of attitude that cost us the Ashes ;-)
He's only 12!!
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He's only 12!!
Harrison will blame him to keep his job don't you worry!!
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It’s this kind of attitude that cost us the Ashes ;-)
It's ok- I have another son who might might show more promise...................... :D :D :D
Actually, I deliberately added that as I'm sure I skirt close to the line as a "pushy parent" on occasion. I'm trying to balance giving him the opportunity to be the best he can with remembering this is a fun recreational activity. It won't be long before he doesn't want a hot chocolate with his dad.
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You're doing the right thing, the key is their enjoyment!
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Perhaps the winky face wasn’t clear enough!!!
As a long time junior coach and a dad of two cricketers I whole heartedly approve of father/son practice and a hot chocolate afterwards regardless of outcome.
And we all know it was Darren Stevens that cost us the Ashes ;-)
(Please note winky face)
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No one will like to be told off to be a pushy dad,even that's true many a time! Choice of yours 👍
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No idea what the comment above is trying to say but I digress...
As long as your kid is enjoying himself and you're encouraging that then you're going about it absolutely the right way.
Definitely a stretch as a teenager when I wouldn't listen to a word from my old man but a lot of good memories of learning from him and now wish we'd done more sport together before his knees packed in!
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No one will like to be told off to be a pushy dad,even that's true many a time! Choice of yours 👍
Would a pushy Dad tell you off for your antics on eBay?
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Would a pushy Dad tell you off for your antics on eBay?
You're only waste of space!
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Think you touched a nerve there @Batoff 👀
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If any of you are in Vienna sometime come around to indoor nets too! You'll get a bat even if you come on time.
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Vienna as in Austria??
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Vienna as in Austria??
Exactly that one. Not to be confused with Vienne in Dauphiné.
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Think you touched a nerve there @Batoff
I touched your nerves, more than anything!
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I touched your nerves, more than anything!
What a mature response. Not sure I expected much more from an eBay swindler. You still ignoring the thread you’re being called out in?
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Our skipper as organised as an Alzheimer’s patient so didn’t book nets till late so only slot 9-10 which is too late for me due to distance so prob won’t be netting until April unless I find another club which may be on cards anyway
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I’m interested to know if anybody feels like they actually get anything out of indoor net sessions.
Like many others, we train at a school which has ridiculously bouncy tracks. We get 5 minutes in the spin net - where every ball spits off the surface - and then 5 minutes in the seam net where length balls rear up to the chest from people who have never got the ball above hip height outside.
As a left-hander, I have to watch every other ball sail down leg to the point that I only hit 8 balls in my 5 minutes in the seam net.
I’ve started to just consider these nets a social event rather than any kind of training. Does anyone here actually have a net set-up which is actually conducive to improving?
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I’m interested to know if anybody feels like they actually get anything out of indoor net sessions.
Like many others, we train at a school which has ridiculously bouncy tracks. We get 5 minutes in the spin net - where every ball spits off the surface - and then 5 minutes in the seam net where length balls rear up to the chest from people who have never got the ball above hip height outside.
As a left-hander, I have to watch every other ball sail down leg to the point that I only hit 8 balls in my 5 minutes in the seam net.
I’ve started to just consider these nets a social event rather than any kind of training. Does anyone here actually have a net set-up which is actually conducive to improving?
Indoor nets massively depends on the facilities you have and who turns up, I find it as simple as that.
Like you say if your nets are not great for batting and the bowlers are getting much straight then you aren't going to get very good actual practice in.
What I would say is there are ways to make it better practice, like if it's really bouncy bat miles out of your crease to negate the bounce. It can also help with your reactions and decision making etc...
Also don't ever underestimate the social effect of Indoor nets and seeing everyone again etc....
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I like them. But then I haven’t played for a few years and making a return. While the standard is often mixed, in the winter I just want to hit balls and not too fussed about anything else as the surface is so different to April’s green tops anyway. Just enjoy being part of the banter and playing regardless of the type of practice.
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Indoor nets are what you make of them really, both personally and as a club - if everyone just rolls their arm over/has a slog then no, it isn't very good practice. Be more intentional and it's great practice.
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We also train at a school and so have a similar problem re: bounce. If anything it's poor practice for the bowlers, who are going to be bowling all the wrong lengths come the first game of the season, when a decent ball from winter nets is a long hop and gets spanked.
Like has been said, it mostly depends on who turns up. This year we've had a surprisingly good turnout and so I haven't needed to bowl much (a blessing for all involved), but also the school we train at has quite a few lanes - too many for us. So, we get chance to use one for just throw downs, actually having good practice with a partner. We then bat in pairs when in the bowlers nets for 20 minutes a pair, so probably get about 10 minutes each. It's quite convenient for me, I open the batting and am second choice keeper so need to keep my eye in for the couple of times a year I need to keep. I open the batting with the first choice keeper, so mostly I partner up with him and we can get a decent batting and keeping session in.
This is all very dependent on who turns up though, and I check we have enough bowlers in the nets first. I don't just wander off and do my own thing. And I openly admit I am biased, I'm not a fan of nets indoor or out and would rather have throw downs or targeted practice.
The social side is just as important though, and we always end up in the pub after for a few. This year we have tried a Sunday lunchtime session, and it really helps with the social side of things, people are more likely to stay afterwards compared with training at 8PM on a Thursday for two hours or something.
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personally ive loved nets this year, have done 4 now and batted really well in the last 2. i struggle in a battling lid so i have tired to use nets as a way of getting more used to wearing one, i just find i dont pick up the length of the ball at all and have to react really late.
i had decided i couldnt be bothered to play much this year when i saw the fixture list, but will be making more effort now
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I've found indoor nets a big help so far. Made more of a point of seeking help from the more experienced batters in the club and asking what they can see that I'm doing right or wrong and trying to adjust things based on that.
First couple of nets were horrific, was all over the place, but I've made a couple of tweaks to how I set up based on feedback and I've been middling a lot more and feeling much better about my batting.
As others have said, it's good to see folk again and get a bit of a club atmosphere going for the new season.
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I've found indoor nets a big help so far. Made more of a point of seeking help from the more experienced batters in the club and asking what they can see that I'm doing right or wrong and trying to adjust things based on that.
First couple of nets were horrific, was all over the place, but I've made a couple of tweaks to how I set up based on feedback and I've been middling a lot more and feeling much better about my batting.
As others have said, it's good to see folk again and get a bit of a club atmosphere going for the new season.
I've used the winter to do something similar after a few poor seasons. I was progressively triggering more and more to the point where my body position was all over the place by the time the bowler was releasing it. Gone back to basics, tried to cut out any trigger in the hope that it at least minimises movement at the crease, narrowed my stance to give me a better base, and really just focused on playing in the V and getting my head over the ball (even started a little game when netting where I get points if the ball hits the floor before the net, more difficult than it sounds it turns out). It's been tough and has meant using video and the bowling machine at B3 about every other week since last August, but it's getting there.
Unsurprisingly it's difficult to remove or even reduce a trigger I have been doing for the past 15-20 years. But finally starting to watch the ball (which is easier without the trigger) and no longer have to consciously think about standing still at the crease.
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Not a club net because, well.. find them useless but a group of us do this
Indoor nets.. Track is way to true and bounces like the WACA meaning anyone with an eye if you wish can just tee off and look/feel great but the reality is.. when I put the high FPS camera on them and slow it down, you can see easily all the technical issues that will come out as soon as it's not a road.. aka.. they will play then true to their averages and get out etc.
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To make it more use all we do is set up 4 bowling machines out of 5 nets and set each one to a shot.. you have 25 balls on each shot and 100 balls per bag. so you have a group of 8 on the machines... hit 25 straight drives (and ONLY straight drives), then move to hit say extra cover drives.. then hit say cover drives.. then say play a forward defence to a good ball.. then each week, just rotate 2 of the shots so you end up having at least 2-3 weeks on each shot.
The 5th lane for us is used as a net where you have a machine but it's more set up and you 'ask' the feeder to bowl a certain way at you.. aka 'Bowl me 75mph, away swing between 1 and 3 (feeder can change without warning and every ball if they wish) and bowl an 'opening' spell.. or then say bowl a middle overs spell.. etc etc.. that way, you get a good work over and it really does stop hitters just honking as the ball doesn't do the same.. amazing how many get cleaned up or nick off unless you keep it tight and only play the bad balls etc.
Bowling we don't overly do but the 2 bowlers who come tend to video themselves like batting for issues (they tend to use Ian pont's channel for technical stuff) but mainly, mark out area's with tape to hit and try and bowl 'spell's hitting those zones.
The camera's now do ball tracking so we can build up a pitch map and beehive (new in for the last 2 weeks tbf) which then tries to make it a bit of a game for bowlers as you score points for hitting the right areas etc. Obviously you can change the game from opening spells, to death bowling etc etc..
Seems to work well but I wills ay you do require the toys to make it work.
I personally am yet to see ANY club have anything vaguely decent with regards to club nets. Nearly always seems o be crap bowling, bouncers or slogging
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Not a club net because, well.. find them useless but a group of us do this
Indoor nets.. Track is way to true and bounces like the WACA meaning anyone with an eye if you wish can just tee off and look/feel great but the reality is.. when I put the high FPS camera on them and slow it down, you can see easily all the technical issues that will come out as soon as it's not a road.. aka.. they will play then true to their averages and get out etc.
So...
To make it more use all we do is set up 4 bowling machines out of 5 nets and set each one to a shot.. you have 25 balls on each shot and 100 balls per bag. so you have a group of 8 on the machines... hit 25 straight drives (and ONLY straight drives), then move to hit say extra cover drives.. then hit say cover drives.. then say play a forward defence to a good ball.. then each week, just rotate 2 of the shots so you end up having at least 2-3 weeks on each shot.
The 5th lane for us is used as a net where you have a machine but it's more set up and you 'ask' the feeder to bowl a certain way at you.. aka 'Bowl me 75mph, away swing between 1 and 3 (feeder can change without warning and every ball if they wish) and bowl an 'opening' spell.. or then say bowl a middle overs spell.. etc etc.. that way, you get a good work over and it really does stop hitters just honking as the ball doesn't do the same.. amazing how many get cleaned up or nick off unless you keep it tight and only play the bad balls etc.
Bowling we don't overly do but the 2 bowlers who come tend to video themselves like batting for issues (they tend to use Ian pont's channel for technical stuff) but mainly, mark out area's with tape to hit and try and bowl 'spell's hitting those zones.
The camera's now do ball tracking so we can build up a pitch map and beehive (new in for the last 2 weeks tbf) which then tries to make it a bit of a game for bowlers as you score points for hitting the right areas etc. Obviously you can change the game from opening spells, to death bowling etc etc..
Seems to work well but I wills ay you do require the toys to make it work.
I personally am yet to see ANY club have anything vaguely decent with regards to club nets. Nearly always seems o be crap bowling, bouncers or slogging
Apologies if you have mentioned elsewhere but where is this? Sounds like a great set up, and a bigger and better version of what me and one other have been doing at B3 the past few months.
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@Paese interesting you've narrowed your stance to get a better base, I've done exactly the opposite.
I'm not tall in the slightest but used to stand with my feet about hip width apart. Feedback was that I didn't look particularly well balanced so widened my stance out to shoulder width or very slightly wider and had really good nets since.
Be interested to know exactly what the change you've made is.
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Apologies if you have mentioned elsewhere but where is this? Sounds like a great set up, and a bigger and better version of what me and one other have been doing at B3 the past few months.
private nets, not at a club. I'm yet to find any club willing to actually invest / do decent nets so a group fo us do it ourselves. I'm just stupid enough to buy bola's , loads of Bola balls and code up some camera systems to be able to do it :)
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@Paese interesting you've narrowed your stance to get a better base, I've done exactly the opposite.
I'm not tall in the slightest but used to stand with my feet about hip width apart. Feedback was that I didn't look particularly well balanced so widened my stance out to shoulder width or very slightly wider and had really good nets since.
Be interested to know exactly what the change you've made is.
My stance (both pre-trigger and also post) has progressively got wider (originally it started slightly more than shoulder width apart, but by last season it was much wider) over the past 10 years. By no means do I play an amazing standard of cricket where I'm facing genuine fast bowling, but originally I found against bowling with any kind of pace it meant I was basically in a position to defend or attack with less time needed to change position. And it was fine for quite a while, the plan worked.
However, the past couple of years it got so wide that it meant I couldn't physically push off forward or back effectively, and felt footwork was stunted and a real problem. When I was trying to drive the ball - because I was already coming from a wide base - my resulting stride would be too long, I would never be able to get my head over the ball because it was physically impossible and I would therefore hit in the air. Likewise, moving back and across for cutting or pulling, became increasingly difficult because I didn't have the base to push off and change direction.
Not sure if that makes any sense, never had to type it out before. Anyway, if you're following...
By narrowing my stance (to more like hip width), it has meant I can actually lead with my head, get over the ball and my feet follow regardless of the shot. Plus, because of that it means my weight it actually going through the ball. Chuck in the fact I was walking across from past leg stump to middle-off, I wasn't giving myself any hope of being in a good set position to play the ball. So I am more static now and seeing the ball 10x better.
I think everyone is different though depending on how you play the ball and what shots you do and don't have. And it could all be a load of rubbish, and will result in me concluding it's simply lazy footwork and eyes not being good enough. Time will tell.
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Cheers, some interesting stuff there. Always find it useful to look at what others are doing and see what it gives me to think about 👍
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Had two indoor nets with varied results, my focus this year is trying to play the ball on the ground more as 80% of my league dismissals (4 out of 5) last season were all caught infront of square. First week bowled well with what felt like a bit more pace than last year, batted okay until I was bowled through the gate twice in consecutive balls and then after that I was all over the place. This week I barely bowled as injured my ankle at football the night before and batting was pretty poor too, very little foot movement or real plan of how I would actually get the ball through a field in a game and for the first time that I can remember I got hit on the glove, right on the end of the thumb, and that ruined the rest of the session for me.
Might have to try and record myself next week as I was hoping this might be the year that I can finally move into more of an all-rounder role that I feel that my ability warrants.
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The camera's now do ball tracking so we can build up a pitch map and beehive (new in for the last 2 weeks tbf) which then tries to make it a bit of a game for bowlers as you score points for hitting the right areas etc. Obviously you can change the game from opening spells, to death bowling etc etc..
I’m intrigued… care to share anymore on this Pro? Even just your outputs? And how accurate do you think the tracking is?
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I’m intrigued… care to share anymore on this Pro? Even just your outputs? And how accurate do you think the tracking is?
Not yet. Still developing . Tracking is accurate as it's literally frame by Frame.. it's the predictive part where you lose the accuracy. Never going to be Hawkeye, their camera's, FPS are monster bucks but then this is for people/clubs.. Not international games
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Get outdoors! It will be fine. Where I live people go all year round.
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Get outdoors! It will be fine. Where I live people go all year round.
So we know you don't play cricket in Scotland now then 😂