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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: FattusCattus on October 02, 2024, 11:31:39 AM
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They come thick and fast, this apparently starting on Monday?
anyone keen to hazard a guess on the starting lineup?
Crawley
Duckett
Pope
Root
Brook
Stokes
Smith
Atkinson
Potts
Leach
Bashir
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With the risk of an absolute road like the last tour I think Potts will be needed to do the hard yards, definitely has the engine for it.
Still mystified that Dawson is frozen out given how good he has been the last few years but that ship seems to have sailed.
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To be fair, Dawson has been on amazing form! But it looks like England don't look at in-form players if they are "too old"!
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Well this looks like an absolute motorway...
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Tremendous start for Pakistan this AM. Going at 4.5 an over and really challenging the Eng bowlers. Leach the only bowler to maintain any form of control.
This is a great platform now for the Pak middle order too.
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Some knock so far from Shan Masood, such a stylish player on his day and comes across so well in interviews you can't help but like him.
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Cricinfo said it was his first score of over 60 in four years.
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This is just...very dull
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This is just...very dull
I'm actually finding myself glad that work has been so boring because it's made the cricket seem more interesting by comparison.
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Going by the fielding in the last 10 minutes England could be in a bit of bother if they have to bat today, look absolutely knackered.
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Some absolute shockers
Seeing Duckett's thumb makes me sick
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Some absolute shockers
Seeing Duckett's thumb makes me sick
If Smith or Atkinson take their chances, Duckett isn't injured and Pope doesn't play that awful shot to get out 🤦♂️
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Records galore for the taking....
How many will be broken today?
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Partnership record for England almost set. Not sure what else is realistically on the cards.
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Nice to see, but this surface is shameful
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What you talking about, clearly a result wicket :D
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Pakistan are mentally weak. Who scores 550+ and loses by an innings
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Nice to see, but this surface is shameful
Totally agree, great to see that England will most likely now win this on the last day but that kind of wicket is awful really for the game, in back to back series bowlers will be flogged.
Can’t see how Pakistan get back into the series after this defeat
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Just a wierd game. But some performance from Brook and Root. We could easily have collapsed in a heap too.
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Just a wierd game. But some performance from Brook and Root. We could easily have collapsed in a heap too.
I don't know. A tired shot from Pope aside, the whole top 6 batted well. Crawley and Duckett did what they are there to do, Root and Brook were exceptional, and Smith came in and went after it as he was presumably told to. Even Woakes, Atkinson and Carse I thought could have got scores if they weren't just trying to go for it, Pakistan's bowling was pretty average.
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Two bit of news this morning...
Pakistan are going to reuse the Multan pitch for the second test.
Shaheen and Babar have been dropped
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Official from pcb ? Or news reports ?
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Pakistan will end up like the West Indies. Best players will opt for t20 mercenary contracts…
Pakistan only genuinely had two elite level players - Azam and Afridi. Both were humiliated by having the captaincy stripped for no reason.
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Playing on a used surface? Ben Stokes and all, welcome to the Sunday club cricketers world! :D
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Gosh - is it possible this might be a turgid affair for the first couple of days?
Pakistan slowly accumulate 450 and then England 'Bazball' themselves out twice to the spinners?
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]Love this photo...
(https://img1.hscicdn.com/image/upload/f_auto,t_ds_w_1280,q_80/lsci/db/PICTURES/CMS/389000/389099.jpg)
International test debut with a used bat with torn stickers! so raw!
Unfortunately like many have said politics, interference, player and ex player egos have destroyed the Pakistan team... feel the last year has shown how far they have fallen. I feel we may decline further unless there's stability at the top for a prolonged period :( :( :( :(.
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Maybe just my eyes but is Kamran using a shorter than SH bat? Wouldn't be stunned given he's 5 foot 6, but it may also just be me seeing things.
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I think he was using an SS bat with an but of the toe cut off.
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Zooming in does look like an SG stamp on the side.
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Zooming in does look like an SG stamp on the side.
Seems a few of the Pak players are using SS/SG bats as they have some well placed plaster tape over the edge that often has the laser embossed logo of said brands. Maybe even a Babar or Rizwan GN
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Why don’t they just sand it down instead of using the tape?
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So - how do we combat 'spinmageddon' in the final test?
i) Simply bat better / longer with a combination of Bazball and Rootism?
ii) Back the same XI to do better and hope Pakistan balls this one up?
iii) Pick 3 spinners and trust Stokes to be one of the seamers?
iv) Drop Bashir (harsh) for Ahmed and use Root / Leach to offer a little more control?
It surely needs a bit of thought from the brains trust to give us a chance of winning - we can't give away the sort of deficit we did in the last test and expect to come out on top.
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v) win the toss...
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I am not sure there is much point over thinking team selection if the game is played on a pitch decided by the toss.
Atkinson for Potts would be my selection
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this all feels a bit dubious from the Pakistan team. I agree, the first test was a road of roads but the toss didnt define it. both teams batted the same amount of time in their first innings. to then use a day 11 pitch and that span that much bordered on desperation and a reaction to being skittled after fielding for a day and a bit.
Now we are seeing them aggressively trying to turn a traditional green road into a dustbowl again. hopefully the toss deoesnt decide this match
i am all for using conditions to your advantage but there is a line to which it becomes a joke, granted we should have taken better/more spinners to combat it.
tracks are green in the UK (other than the oval) so play seamers and batting can be tough for the first 2 days
similar in NZ and SA
in Oz they are fast and bouncy, so pick your best quicks and a good spinner so you can rotate.
indian tracks spin, but they also carry pace early in a test so seamers are useful.
Pindi is a road by all accounts, so i am in favour of them leveling the balance between bat and ball. but not to the point where losing the toss will almost guarantee you cannot win the game because its ragging square on day 2
for the record, i would be just as against it if england intentionally grassed/greened up a track beyond the point an opposition could compete as well.
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To be fair if England had taken their chances in that second innings they way well have won the 2nd test, despite the toss.
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The toss influenced nothing in the second match.
The Poms bottling it from 2-211 to 291 all out.
Against two very mediocre Pakistani spinners.
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The toss influenced nothing in the second match.
The Poms bottling it from 2-211 to 291 all o
I agree mate. Load of stat padding shelf stackers if you ask me! 😄
Dropped chances, poor first innings collapse and a turning pitch meant we were doomed going into the last innings. Can't blame Pakistan for producing that type of pitch too imo. You pay to your strengths and the oppos weaknesses.
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Depressingly predictable watching England bat on a low turner...
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There was a mention that the two pak spinners were average last week
They are both very good
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There was a mention that the two pak spinners were average last week
They are both very good
Both tidy and making use of the pitch for sure.
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There was a mention that the two pak spinners were average last week
They are both very good
Lol.
Two journeymen spinners that averaged closer to 40 per wicket before they met the unskilled poms.
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Ollie Pope:
Tests: 52
Average: 34.12 (it’s actually 32.11 when that meaningless 200 against Ireland is removed)
Get back to Asda and stack selves.
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Ollie Pope:
Tests: 52
Average: 34.12 (it’s actually 32.11 when that meaningless 200 against Ireland is removed)
Get back to Asda and stack selves.
Get back to school and learn to spell
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Get back to school and learn to spell
Middled aged grifter cope detected
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After all the fast paced hundreds in test matches, it was nice to see something from a bygone era, a beautifully crafted hundred with patience, lots of singles, and effective lower order batting. Well done Saud Shakeel, another new signing by GN showcasing their new bats. I think they said he went for 100 balls without scoring a boundary at one stage. Played the situation well.
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The shots sajid khan played today
Wow
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What were Stokes and Smith thinking this morning??? :o
Slightly comical dismissal of Leach, stumped off a v wide delivery - was it given as a wide??
Slightly endearing sight of Leach keeping both hands firmly on the bat handle when trying to get back into his crease (akin to what I sometimes see in U10 matches where the players keep both hands in exactly the right position from the time they walk out to when they finish batting!) - might have done better to use just one hand to try and ground his bat back.
Well, something for Eng to work on, get more runs from Leachy! ;)
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39 wickets between Sajid Khan and Noman Ali, in just 2 matches (albeit on real Bunsen Burners!)
What a pair of picks (I mean the pitches of course!!! :D)
Still, Eng had 3 spinners in this match (plus a useful Root to "pitch in"), compared to really just 2 spinners on Pakistan's side (and a fielding-only leggie). You gotta make full use of what you have in front of you.
I think just leave the Eng spinners out there to learn their craft when the rest of the team come back home.
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Pakistan wins.
Poignant quote from Rameez Raja - "England didn't know how to play spin. England didn't know how to bowl spin" - kinda sums up the last 2 matches in 2 sentences.
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Lot of chat
Toss decides the match , no it doesn’t ….
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I’m not sure what to make of it all. Pakistan desperately needed a victory any way they could with everything going on behind the scenes and on field. Nice to see a different pitch rather than the roads we usually see. I don’t think this is sustainable though, you won’t get these pitches elsewhere, will be interesting to see what the actual plan is going forward, if there is one…
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Pope so poor again....
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Pope so poor again....
Really good at golf though! 🙄
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And great banter in the wine bars of Clapham🙄
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I know there are more important things to be worried about; but does Rehan Ahmed have a different bat sponsor every time he plays for England?
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England have just picked an all-rounder who averages 25 with the bat and 96 with the ball. :o
(Cue lots of "I don't mind that" comments.)
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England have just picked an all-rounder who averages 25 with the bat and 96 with the ball. :o
(Cue lots of "I don't mind that" comments.)
If it was 96 with the bat and 25 with the ball, then HELL YEH!
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England have just picked an all-rounder who averages 25 with the bat and 96 with the ball. :o
(Cue lots of "I don't mind that" comments.)
He is only 21 to be fair and I believe this set up pick as much on belief and character if not more so than stats etc. I didn’t think he did to bad in the ODI series vs Australia who are the best white ball side currently
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Sky are brainwashing you.
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England have just picked an all-rounder who averages 25 with the bat and 96 with the ball. :o
(Cue lots of "I don't mind that" comments.)
Love a left field pick but this is about 50 yards left into the stands. Sam Hain is hardly a nurdler and they just seem completely uninterested.
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Sky are brainwashing you.
I don’t have sky mate, tbh I now hardly anything about him or if I’m being totally honest many in the county set up but as I say he is 21 and did ok when I saw him in ODI series
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Sky are indirectly brainwashing you. 😉