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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: peplow on April 14, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
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On the back of colesy's world XI thread thought i'd start up a most over-rated world XI one, just interested to see what people think in this one! Can be test or odi's! Who are the real flops of world cricket, who haven't been all they are cracked up to be?!
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Tests/ODI's in one
1. Denly
2. Badrinath
3. KP
4. Shah
5. Duminy
6. Voges
7. Saha
8. Broad
9. J Patel
10. Harris (Good enough bowler, but he is way over rated)
11. Hilfenhaus
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think Yuvraj has been a bit poo in this IPL tournament...needs to drop a stone or so to get himself in shape!
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I'm not going to bother with a whole team, but surely there has to space for Xavier Marshall, Darren Pattinson and Kieron Pollard in some of these?
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1. KP
2. KP
3. KP
4. KP
5. KP
6. KP
7. KP
8. KP
9. KP
10. KP
11. Onions
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What about bopara?
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phil hughes? (sorry walshy!)
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Bopara is too
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phil hughes? (sorry walshy!)
Wait, why do people doubt him so much, I think playing your first two test matches in a place you have never played and then taking on probly the pest pace attack in the world and hitting two big tons would be alright. But no everyone doubts him!
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Denly
Hughes
Trott
Yuvraj
Duminy
Pollard
Akmal (wk)
Broad
Morkel A
Sami
Sreesanth
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i think duminy is decent, as is broad however many of the others are great shouts!
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1. Bopara
2. Hughes
3. Kevin Peiterson
4. Kamran Akmal
5. Keiron Pollard
6. Rivinder Jadeja
7. Irfan Pathan
8. Yusuf Pathan
9. Steve Smith
10. Ishant Sharma
11. Owais Shah
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Don't get me wrong I thin Duminy and Broad are both good players, but they are very overrated. People talked about Broad being an allrounder capable of batting at 7 - he is not that. And Duminy was talked about as being the next great South African batsman, yet he has struggled against the short ball and against spin.
I'm sure both have big futures though.
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major LOL at anyone who puts KP in this team
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Afridi just has a big name hype, hasn't done much lately..
Sharma, 1 good over in a test match to RP in Aus got him a $950,000 IPL contract.. Hype
On the opposite end of the stick.. Amla I feel is probably one of the if not the most under rated player..
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Phillip Hughes
Joe Denly
Jonathon Trott
Ian Bell
Rahul Dravid
Brad Haddin (WK)
Stuart Broad
Monty Panesar
Ishant Sharma
Charl Langevelt
Chris Martin
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you can drop ian bell out of that team, if anything he is under-rated!
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Dravid? contentious considering his test record....
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Rhaul Dravid ??? ??? ???
Must be a joke or something???
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major LOL at anyone who puts KP in this team
I agree. He averages 50 at test level, so I think his figures speak for themselves really
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Bopara
Hughes
Ingram
Voges
Yurvraj
M Hussey
Boucher
Broad
Sharma
Martin
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boucher and hussey - that is pretty punchy - boucher has taken more test dismissals than any keeper in history and Hussey is immense...!!
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luke wright??
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andre nel - possibly the worst kolpak signing ever
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hussey has been awful since 2006 and boucher is more of a selection based on personality, i hate him!
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Brad Haddin is a great shout, in my opinion he is a slogger, and he has nothing on Tim Paine.
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1. Bopara
2. Hughes
3. Kevin Peiterson
4. Kamran Akmal
5. Keiron Pollard
6. Rivinder Jadeja
7. Irfan Pathan
8. Yusuf Pathan
9. Steve Smith
10. Ishant Sharma
11. Owais Shah
Steve Smith is quality
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Yup would go with haddin as my keeper
So far definately have Bopara, Hughes, Haddin, Sharma, Panesar, Martin in there....
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Steve Smith is quality
I think thats his point, is he really "quality"
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rana naved definitely.
rashid has been overhyped although he is good.
monty is definitely the most overrated player ever-with bopara not far behind
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1) Denly
2) Badrinath
3) Bopara
4) Yuvraj
5) Pollard
6) Andre Fletcher
7) Albie morkel
8) Saha (wk)
9) Broad
10) Ishant
11) Mendis/Harris
12th: Haddin/Akmal(Wk)
Yusuf pathan
Saj mahmood/Geraint jones
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right, i have chosen players who are test players:
Strauss (c)
Tamim Iqbal
Jayawardene
Yuvraj
Duminy
McCullum
Dhoni *+
Broad
Siddle
Mendis
Malinga
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strauss?! major LOL
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How the hell is Badrinath over rated? He waited 5 years to get ago at Test Cricket, during those 5 years, he was leading run scorer in the Ranji Trophy almost every year.
Saha? Come on, he only played because Rohit Sharma hurt himself. Rohit Sharma is the most over hyped player in Indian cricketing history.
Irfan Pathan has taken 250 International wickets, really over rated. Couples with 2000 International runs.
Ravindra Jadeja has done nothing wrong, and isn't ever mentioned as a world beater(apart from me - as he hailed from Gujarat!) so why is he over rated?
Ishant is going thru a slump, ask Australia if he is over rated. He destroyed them in the Border-Gavaskar 2008 in India.
Yuvraj is fat, mentally fragile and crap.
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right, i have chosen players who are test players:
Strauss (c)
Tamim Iqbal
Jayawardene
Yuvraj
Duminy
McCullum
Dhoni *+
Broad
Siddle
Mendis
Malinga
Alvaro - explain to me how MS is over rated? India has waited years for a world class w/k and Dhoni fits the bill prefectly.
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if your talking over-rated then yes, i think Strauss is over rated. He is negative as a captain and his batting is boom or bust. He is a good player, and he has played top innings, but I don't think that he is great.
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Alvaro - explain to me how MS is over rated? India has waited years for a world class w/k and Dhoni fits the bill prefectly.
Same as my Strauss answer really. I think that in Indian terms he is a 'great' wicket keeper, especially when compared to Karthick/Parthiv, but in real terms he has days when he should really be playing cymbals. It's just that we're always told he is brilliant, yet compared to other contemporaries and past players he is over rated. Yuvraj is just poo ;)
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Same as my Strauss answer really. I think that in Indian terms he is a 'great' wicket keeper, especially when compared to Karthick/Parthiv, but in real terms he has days when he should really be playing cymbals. It's just that we're always told he is brilliant, yet compared to other contemporaries and past players he is over rated. Yuvraj is just poo ;)
Who is better than MS out of the current w/k?
McCullum, Prior, Haddin, Akmal?
No chance, Dhoni's head and shoulders above the lot.
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Not that I'm a Dhoni fan, and yes I agree that his glovework isn't "great" but he is the #1 ODI batsman currently according to ICC rankings.. So that fact alone means that he isn't overrated he's #1.. a #1 batsman and more than handy WK, what team wouldn't want that??
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Not that I'm a Dhoni fan, and yes I agree that his glovework isn't "great" but he is the #1 ODI batsman currently according to ICC rankings.. So that fact alone means that he isn't overrated he's #1.. a #1 batsman and more than handy WK, what team wouldn't want that??
Not only World Number 1 ODI batsman CD, but he has held that crown for almost 2 years!
Man, I'd love t be over rated like that!!!
ps. I hope you don't think Parthiv should get another go!
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ps. I hope you don't think Parthiv should get another go!
No mate, I think that ship sailed along time ago..
But as always I think Irfan does need another chance.. Vinay Kumar in the T2O squad over Irfan?? I don't even want to get started on the other idiot who gets picked only cause hes from Bombay.. Feel bad for Kohli and Robin...
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if your talking over-rated then yes, i think Strauss is over rated. He is negative as a captain and his batting is boom or bust. He is a good player, and he has played top innings, but I don't think that he is great.
I'm not really sure whether we are talking about the same strauss, but he certainly is not negative as captain. And to say his batting is over rated is rediculous. Worlds best opening batsman atm in my eyes.
I'd put Boucher ahead of Dhoni. I think hes a much better gloveman and a better batsman.
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I think thats his point, is he really "quality"
he is good he is a young talent. Leg spin isnt easy at the best of times
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I'm not really sure whether we are talking about the same strauss, but he certainly is not negative as captain. And to say his batting is over rated is rediculous. Worlds best opening batsman atm in my eyes.
I'd put Boucher ahead of Dhoni. I think hes a much better gloveman and a better batsman.
Strauss best opener in the world? Behave. He way behind Sehwag, Gambhir, Smith and Katich
Boucher is a better keeper, but Dhoni is definitely a better batsman.
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Matt Prior is defiantly overated i wouldnt pick him over Steve Davies or Craig Kieswetter, he is the kinda guy who will get you a 30 then get out, he hardly ever gets a big score
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Boucher avgs 30.90 in Test & 28.93 in ODI's
Dhoni avgs 42.59 in Test & 51.13 in ODI's
I just hate statistics they complicated things so much..
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I hate to disagree Jeet, but MS is truly average as a keeper. Prasanna Jayawardene is the best test keeper at the moment, followed by mccullum, prior, boucher, in any order. he's a top batsman, no doubting that, but i wouldn't have him as a keeper.
1 - Hughes - Good luck with the short ball buddy!
2 - Denly - As much as I want to see English talent coming through, surely we can do better...
3 - Mike Hussey - He's good, but he's not the master batsman everybody thinks he is!
4 - Bopara - Any explanation needed?
5 - Ashraful - Has all the attributes needed to be quality, apart from temperament. therefore he is crap!
6 - Albie Morkel - Clearly the lesser talent in the family...
7 - Dhoni (WK) - Mainly for his keeping. Good enough to bat at 7, but not a good enough keeper imho.
8 - Rana Naved - Have I missed something here? He's awful for Pakistan!
9 - Ishant - Gone rapidly downhill since making Ponting look scared...
10 - DARREN POWELL! - ... *speechless*
11 - Mendis - Quickly fallen from grace. Good bowler, but probably not a big enough turner of the ball to be a consistent threat?
On topic of Strauss - Quality bat, had an outstanding year. Better opener than Katich Jeet! Not as good overall as the other 3, but had a better year than Smith I reckon!
espocrespo - Prior's a better keeper than Kies, and a better bat than Davies. Enough for me!
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No mate, I think that ship sailed along time ago..
But as always I think Irfan does need another chance.. Vinay Kumar in the T2O squad over Irfan?? I don't even want to get started on the other idiot who gets picked only cause hes from Bombay.. Feel bad for Kohli and Robin...
Exactly, Vinay Kumar wtf, his bowling speed is around 120kph, all I can see is him getting hammered on the tiny West Indian grounds.
BCCI are always saying Irfan has lost pace, but during the IPL, he's been around 135-138kph range more often than not.
Rohit has a place for life, guys like Pandey, Pujara, Robin and Kohli are unfortunate that Gavaskar is always singing Rohit's praises whenever he's in the com box.
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Tumo
Katich doesn't seem to get any praise. Since returning to the Aussie side, he's been fantastic and he's steady platform allows Watson, Punter etc to play their natural games.
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Maybe went too far saying the worlds best, but just my view. He's certainly up there anyway.
Would be interesting to see how Sehwag gets on away from these roads that India produce. Maybe we'll see if he really is a "bully" of bowling in English conditions when India next tour...
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Maybe went too far saying the worlds best, but just my view. He's certainly up there anyway.
Would be interesting to see how Sehwag gets on away from these roads that India produce. Maybe we'll see if he really is a "bully" of bowling in English conditions when India next tour...
Averages 40 in England, so he's more than handy.
As I've said 100's of times, are Indian wickets only flat when India bat? Do they become unplayable once the away side bats??
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Tumo
Katich doesn't seem to get any praise. Since returning to the Aussie side, he's been fantastic and he's steady platform allows Watson, Punter etc to play their natural games.
Not gonna argue that, I know he's a top cricketer. But I'd take Strauss any day. Strauss has to build a platform for players like Bopara (in the past, I know, but point still stands). Katich has a host of world class batsmen around him. i'd be interesting to see what they'd be like if the roles were reversed!
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Denly
Hughes
Trott
Yuvraj
Duminy
Pollard
Akmal (wk)
Broad
Morkel A
Sami
Sreesanth
Old topic funny how Trott has maybe overcome his overrated tag
Who is better than MS out of the current w/k?
McCullum, Prior, Haddin, Akmal?
No chance, Dhoni's head and shoulders above the lot.
surely Prior has done enough to be considered Dhoni equal now
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Phillip Hughes
Joe Denly
Jonathon Trott
Ian Bell
Rahul Dravid
Brad Haddin (WK)
Stuart Broad
Monty Panesar
Ishant Sharma
Charl Langevelt
Chris Martin
and the best till last Bell and Trott think might have convinced some by now.....
England conspiracy
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...and broad
and was Langevelt ever that highly rated anyway?
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So it looks as though a few of the over-rated players are looking a tad better these days!
Hughes still doesn't seem to have risen from the depths of under-performance just yet!!!
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mike hussey is named in a few very controversial
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Hussey has been a great player. But the forum is all about discussions and not everyone would agree! ;)
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Hussey is class went through a lean patch but bar i guess Bradman everybody has...
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what did mike hussey do between 2006 and the recent ashes series?
i think it was very reasonable to call hussey 'overrated' before the ashes.
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good shout call me overated anyday and he still averaged around 47....
As Pete said it all about opinions
I guess Ponting is going to be named he ain't done much for a time but he was the best batsman in the world for a long time for a long period of time and in the top 3 of his generation...
Tendulkar had a 2 or 3 year lean spell as well
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hussey burst on to the scene averaging 80 and was labelled 'the new bradman'. since that stage of his career (2006) his average has slipped down to around the 50 mark and in recent times he has been struggling to maintain his place. this ashes series he batted very well, but could not have any effect on the result on the series and this one good series does not justify the high hopes that were harboured for him earlier in his career, i.e 'the new bradman' therefore i think it is fair to call him overrated.
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fair enough mate it a good debate
Not sure i agree with your what has he done since 06
http://www.cricketrecords.info/Mike-Hussey/centuries.html
Agree he no Bradman but then who is i would have in the top 15 batsman of the noughties though
Only man in history to average over 50 in tests and odi not a bad mark of a player and although only a stat it a bloody impressive one
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certainly a quality player but your going to struggle to live up to a tag like 'next bradman'
if it was 'world worst test XI' he would not be in it, i was looking it more from the angle of a players reputation and what had been expected from them and then comparing it to what the player had achieved
its interesting to think about how we would be talking about him without that excellent ashes series/
interesting debate mate, and its amazing what one innings (the ton in state cricket that got him in to the test side for brisbane) can do for your career. without him the ashes would have been 0-5!
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What do you guys think about Steve Smith. I think Ponting identifies him as his new Shane Watson.
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Steve Smith would definitely make my over-rated XI - not a good enough bowler for test cricket, not a good enough batsman for test cricket