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Johnny

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New England?
« on: January 09, 2009, 10:39:28 AM »

So then, new captain and a soon to be announced new coaching team. Do we think this will prompt further changes to the England team, or will they just bumble along with the same team, just with different people in charge?

I think if Strauss and A N Other really want to stamp their mark on a new look England, then they need to make some changes to the playing personnel. Even if this is change for changes sake. I think I good way to put the recent dressing room rift behind them, is to have a shake up of who is in that dressing room.

So what do people think? Who should be out? Who should be in?

In order to start discussion here's some thoughts:

1. Strauss (C) - solid
2. Cook - would be good if he could score more hundreds, but a string of pretty 50's is still enough to keep his place.
3. We need someone new! I think pick the leading qualifed run scorer from the county championship that isn't deemed too old.
4. KP
5. Again, a position that needs filling. Again looking at stats Ravi Bopara scored a ton of runs for Essex last year (albeit div 2 runs) - for me he seems like an obvious candidate to succeed Collingwood
6. Flintoff
7. I think Matt Prior will always be associated with Peter Moores. I'd like to see him axed as keeper, though given his performance last year would happily see him in my 3 or 5 slots as a specialist batsman. In recent years I think Foster has been unlucky, as he was only ever dropped through injury and hasn't been given a chance since. What do people think of Nic Pothas? He scored plenty of runs last year?
8. Stuart Broad - I think he's still improving as a bowler, and adds very valuable runs down the order
9. Spinner spot - does Monty have what it takes? I think he does, but it needs to be coaxed out of him. Now could be a good test of his heart - how hard is he prepared to work? Otherwise, I like the look of Swann as a functional spinner who's far more likely to contribute with bat and in the field. Hopefully, though, this place is being kept warm for Adil Rashid. He's not ready yet, but hopefully if he shows good improvement over the next year he'll be able to step up and make a real differnece to the make up of the England team.
10 and 11. Who are are best 2 seamers? Would love Harmision to capture some form, but if he's not proving effective he needs to be dropped quickly, not persevered with. Definitely want to stick with Sid - been a bit disappointing the last few games he's played, but a real fighter, and adds variation. Who else is there? Will Simon Jones ever be fit? Will Hoggy ever be re-considered?

An alternative is a move away from the traditional 5 batsmen, 1 all rounder, 1 keeper, 4 bowlers structure.

Would you change this maybe?

Your thoughts guys?
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Re: New England?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 11:10:29 AM »

Given the likely intensity of this summer's cricket, I'd be not only looking at ability but character as well.  With this in mind my first choice XI would be:

Strauss
Cook
Key
KP
Shah
Prior
Flintoff
Broad
Swann
Sidebottom
Anderson

No Ashes test at Old Trafford - if there was I'd bring Monty in for that.  Agree re Rashid - would be so wrong of the selectors to bring him in now.  One only need to look at Chris Schofield to see the danger of bringing a promising leggie through too soon
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Re: New England?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 12:52:33 PM »

Everyone consider Colly to be 'past it'?

Strauss - Captain who should lead from the front
Cook - Good young player who will only get better
Shah - Distructive with a good temprement, not been given a chance
Peitersen - Still good enough despite the rift
Collingwood - Englands most reliable a must pick
Keeper - Prior may not be the automaic selection without PM would like to see Foster or if not Read
Flintoff - Has struggled with the bat but vital with the ball could play the extra batter and have him at 8?
Broad - Provides late order runs aswell as wickets - potentially dropped for the extra batter play 4 bowlers
Harmison - Hit the pitch type bowler and when on song one if not the best in the world
Anderson - Swings the ball
Panesar - Has had success in England
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Re: New England?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 02:40:15 PM »

For the 6 or at least 2 Windies tests I'd go with:

Strauss
Denly (impressed me at the top of the order for Kent, deserves a go)
Cook (did well at 3 in 2006, my recent opinion of him has changed)
Pietersen
Shah
Flintoff
Foster (deserves a go after being on the edge for a while)
Broad
Swann (impressed in India, albeit on turning pitches, but outshone Monty
Sidebottom
S. Jones (took a fair few wickets for Wawrickshire to help them gain promotion, and was so destructive in 2005)
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Re: New England?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2009, 05:20:22 PM »

Mine would be:
Strauss
Cook
Key
KP
Shah
Prior
Flintoff
Broad
Swann/Rashid
Sidebottom
Harmison
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Re: New England?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2009, 05:40:55 PM »

Mine would be:
Strauss(c)
Cook
Shah
KP
Bell
Flintoff
Foster
Rashid
Broad
Sidebottom
Harmison
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Re: New England?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2009, 07:05:06 PM »

Everyone consider Colly to be 'past it'?

Collingwood - Englands most reliable a must pick

I can't agree with this? Relaible in what sense - that he's always on time!

I have to say, I like Collingwood - I think he has a cracking temperament, but I don't think this is enough to score runs consistantly
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Re: New England?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2009, 07:13:53 PM »

Well collingwood is averaging 42.02 from 75 innings with 2812 runs with 7 hundreds and 11 fiftys.

Hundreds include:

206 vs. Australia
186 vs. Pakistan
135 vs. South Africa
134* vs. India
128 vs. WI
111 vs. WI
108 vs. India

Not a terrible record! Hundreds against all top cricketing nations except maybe sri lanka, i admit hes not pretty to watch but he can be very effective with it. Add into that top fielding and abit of bowling and he isnt a bad all-round cricketer!
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Re: New England?
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 07:26:02 PM »

SultanofSwing - they're all former glories. I think they should give someone else a chance.
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Re: New England?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2009, 07:30:07 PM »

i would drop bell over collingwood, at least collingwood can produce a performance when it matters! i would have pietersen 3 shah 4 collingwood 5. Pietersen can prove he's still up for it be going up the order!
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Re: New England?
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 07:31:37 PM »

i think colly should be given the WI tour to get a couple of good scores, if not give someone else a chance for the ashes tests (shah for me)
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Re: New England?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2009, 07:34:08 PM »

Fair enough give other people a shot but Colly in my opinion is a must play at the expense of Ian Bell in my side - looks good very correct but has never been the first in a test to score a 100! Batting at 3 that is not good enough! never seams to get runs under pressure. whereas Colly has the grit to battle and get them under pressure a prime example was his double ton against aus on the back foot a game changer.
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Re: New England?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2009, 12:12:48 AM »

1-Strauss
2-Cook
3-Key
4-KP
5-Shah
6-Flintoff
7-Ambrose for me.
8-Broad
9-Swann
10-Sidebottom
11-Anderson
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Re: New England?
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2009, 01:41:49 AM »

i'm glad to see Strauss will be leading the ODI and 20/20 teams also
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Re: New England?
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2009, 07:50:55 PM »

1-Strauss
2-Cook
3-Shah
4-KP
5-Colly/Bopara
6-Freddie
7-Foster
8-Broad
9-Sidebottom
10-Anderson/Harmison depending on conditions
11-Monty

I think my team has a good balance with batting down to 8 and a good bowling side as well.
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