Topic: Breaking the Wicket (Read 5620 times)

richthekeeper · « **on:** June 19, 2011, 12:16:45 AM »

just been reading the laws...

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1. Wicket put down
(a) The wicket is put down if a bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or a stump is struck out of the ground,
(i) by the ball,
or (ii) by the striker�s bat if he is holding it or by any part of his bat that he is holding,
or (iii) notwithstanding the provisions of Law 6.8(a), by the striker�s bat in falling if he has let go of it, or by any part of his bat becoming detached,
or (iv) by the striker�s person or by any part of his clothing or equipment becoming detached from his person,
or (v) by a fielder with his hand or arm, providing that the ball is held in the hand or hands so used, or in the hand of the arm so used.
The wicket is also put down if a fielder strikes or pulls a stump out of the ground in the same manner.
(b) The disturbance of a bail, whether temporary or not, shall not constitute its complete removal from the top of the stumps, but if a bail in falling lodges between two of the stumps this shall be regarded as complete removal.

2. One bail off
If one bail is off, it shall be sufficient for the purpose of putting the wicket down to remove the remaining bail or to strike or pull any of the three stumps out of the ground, in any of the ways stated in 1 above.

3. Remaking wicket
If a wicket is broken or put down while the ball is in play, it shall not be remade by an umpire until the ball is dead. See Law 23 (Dead ball). Any fielder may, however, while the ball is in play,
(i) replace a bail or bails on top of the stumps.
(ii) put back one or more stumps into the ground where the wicket originally stood.

The first bolded part intrigues me - as a keeper, could I therefore take the bails off with an elbow as long as I had the ball in that hand?

Second bit, I never realised that when one bail is off you can still legitimately take the other bail off.

And finally, it's interesting to note that the whole business of pulling the stump out and tapping the ball on it is actually complete rubbish, you just need to remove it from the ground.

RossViper · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2011, 08:43:02 AM »

Yep you can hit it with you arm as long as you have the ball in you hand, but id still try and do it with the hand.

Yep you get 2 goes with the bails, and also you only have yo take one off in the first place.

Never heard about tapping the ball on the stump, just pur it ou the ground.

What happens after that???

Nickauger · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2011, 08:59:58 AM »

Quote from: RossViper on June 19, 2011, 08:43:02 AM

Yep you can hit it with you arm as long as you have the ball in you hand, but id still try and do it with the hand.

Yep you get 2 goes with the bails, and also you only have yo take one off in the first place.

Never heard about tapping the ball on the stump, just pur it ou the ground.

What happens after that???

Surely, thats the same principle as not being out caught behind if it comes off your arm guard. As your arm isn't connected to your hand. Surely if that was true, you could kick the stumps down as long as you have the ball in your hand?? As the foot is just as relevant as the arm.

richthekeeper · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:11:14 AM »

Well, clearly not as the law states hand or arm as long as its holding the ball.

jonpinson · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:14:50 AM »

Very interesting and I imagine this law is widely misinterpreted. I have seen numerous examples of the wicket being broken by an elbow or arm with the ball in hand and it given not out, and this is in international cricket. Very interesting.

Coach · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:24:25 AM »

You can use your elbow, however im not sure it would be advised in league cricket due to the level of umpiring, however if you did protest you would be within your rights to show the laws above

bigboy · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2011, 10:01:12 AM »

Quote from: jonpinson on June 19, 2011, 09:14:50 AM

Very interesting and I imagine this law is widely misinterpreted. I have seen numerous examples of the wicket being broken by an elbow or arm with the ball in hand and it given not out, and this is in international cricket. Very interesting.

Really?

I have seen examples of the wicket being broken before the fielder had the ball or after he dropped it, but never as you've described. Can you think of an example?

RossViper · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2011, 03:36:01 PM »

Quote from: Shrek88 on June 19, 2011, 08:59:58 AM

Surely, that's the same principle as not being out caught behind if it comes off your arm guard. As your arm isn't connected to your hand. Surely if that was true, you could kick the stumps down as long as you have the ball in your hand?? As the foot is just as relevant as the arm.

My hand is connected to my arm!!!

Aside, this rule makes sense when you think about it, basically how does the umpire know if the fielder has broken the wicket with hand or wrist, particular for a keeper! It just makes it easier for the umpire. Its sensiable when you think about it.

Johnny · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2011, 03:40:38 PM »

So if a keeper could take the ball a good foot in front of the stumps, and break the wicket with his elbow, to gain an advantage?

I guess you'd have to be pretty damned skilled to do it, but worth practicing?

RossViper · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2011, 03:44:32 PM »

Quote from: Johnny Firefly on June 19, 2011, 03:40:38 PM

So if a keeper could take the ball a good foot in front of the stumps, and break the wicket with his elbow, to gain an advantage?

I guess you'd have to be pretty damned skilled to do it, but worth practicing?

Yes he could, and no not worth practicing because no one could throw it that accurately, and even if they could then they would just hit the stumps each time!

richthekeeper · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2011, 09:04:13 AM »

I actually did that the other day from a run out.

I took the ball in front of the stumps because there was no fielder backing up the direct hit, and as I turned I was closer than I thought. Instead of taking the bails off with my hands, I actually smashed them with my upper arm, elbow and then forearm as I turned.

The umpire gave the decision, but I wasn't sure if it was the correct one or not.

Of course, you can't do that with a stumping, because it would be a no ball

Simmy · « **Reply #11 on:** June 20, 2011, 09:12:57 AM »

Quote from: Johnny Firefly on June 19, 2011, 03:40:38 PM

So if a keeper could take the ball a good foot in front of the stumps, and break the wicket with his elbow, to gain an advantage?

I guess you'd have to be pretty damned skilled to do it, but worth practicing?

no you cant take the ball infront of the stumps.

i keep getting warned for doing this down the leg side

its one of the reasons i am so fast at stumpings i think.

uve had to stand further away from the stumps

tim2000s · « **Reply #12 on:** June 20, 2011, 09:24:07 AM »

Quote from: Simmy on June 20, 2011, 09:12:57 AM

no you cant take the ball infront of the stumps.

i keep getting warned for doing this down the leg side
its one of the reasons i am so fast at stumpings i think.

uve had to stand further away from the stumps

You can take the ball in front of the stumps if it is a throw for a run out.

It is a no-ball if the keepers gloves are in front of the stumps to take the ball from a bowled delivery.

Law 40.3:

Position of wicket-keeper
The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the striker�s end from the moment the ball comes into play until
(a) a ball delivered by the bowler
either (i) touches the bat or person of the striker
or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker�s end
or (b) the striker attempts a run.
In the event of the wicket-keeper contravening this Law, the striker�s end umpire shall call and signal No ball as soon as possible after the delivery of the ball.

richthekeeper · « **Reply #13 on:** June 20, 2011, 09:26:12 AM »

not quite true tim, it's a no ball if any part of the keeper is in front of the stumps. so watch where your head is!

Simmy · « **Reply #14 on:** June 20, 2011, 09:46:35 AM »

Quote from: tim2000s on June 20, 2011, 09:24:07 AM

You can take the ball in front of the stumps if it is a throw for a run out.

It is a no-ball if the keepers gloves are in front of the stumps to take the ball from a bowled delivery.

Law 40.3:

Position of wicket-keeper
The wicket-keeper shall remain wholly behind the wicket at the striker�s end from the moment the ball comes into play until
(a) a ball delivered by the bowler
either (i) touches the bat or person of the striker
or (ii) passes the wicket at the striker�s end
or (b) the striker attempts a run.
In the event of the wicket-keeper contravening this Law, the striker�s end umpire shall call and signal No ball as soon as possible after the delivery of the ball.

yeah sorry didnt think about run outs etc

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