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Re: is Rikky Clarke the answer?
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2012, 07:17:24 PM »

If, and its a big if, if they drop Broad I dont think theyd bring someone in from outside the current squad, such as Woakes or Coles.
more likely to be Finn, but as its been said that will only lengthen the tail, but in my opinion wont make much difference due to Broads lack of runs anyway

They have to drop him in my opinion for the next test, even though we won this one. Didnt bowl in 2nd innings
our front line seamer Anderson only bowled 4 overs, which is due to the conditions obviously
but because of his pace Finn has to come back in when he is fit again, even if its a risk his injury may flare up again, theres plenty of part time bowling to cover for him

Patel is a funny one, selectors obviously rate him to keep trying him again, but he hasnt set the world alight yet
Winning this test may have just saved him for the next test instead of Root, similarly with Broad aswell I think they may name an unchanged side unfortunately
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Re: is Rikky Clarke the answer?
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2012, 07:18:10 PM »

Prior to me seems like a leader no matter what titles there no doubt he had a massive hand in sorting the rift with kp and is a leader in his own right been very impressed with him in everything he does seems a top cricketer and bloke
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Re: is Rikky Clarke the answer?
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2012, 07:18:40 PM »

I always get the impression with broad that he thinks he's arrived as a cricketer and now that he's been made vice he presumes he's undroppable. Prior should've been vice as form will always come and go with bowlers.

I agree! His attitude is appalling and, now I think about it, Prior is an obvious choice for a Vice Captain...all Prior has ever done in an England shirt is improve!
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Re: is Rikky Clarke the answer?
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2012, 07:20:46 PM »

Personally I would drop Broad for Woakes now! Broad's bowling is now so poor that bringing in Woakes could only be seen as a positive move!. I wouldn't drop Patel though....I think he's got a lot to offer in these conditions....maybe not long term but at the moment we need a spinning allrounder and I can't think of anyone else to do that...!
I don't think there is any need to change the balance of the side atall. We have just won a Test match by 10 wickets and the next pitch will be not be much different, it might turn less but there is not any need for a 3rd seamer on this tour. Patel has done little wrong and as you say he is the best available in his position. I get the feeling that as soon as Finn is proved fit Broad will be carrying some drinks
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Re: is Rikky Clarke the answer?
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2012, 07:21:02 PM »

Prior to me seems like a leader no matter what titles there no doubt he had a massive hand in sorting the rift with kp and is a leader in his own right been very impressed with him in everything he does seems a top cricketer and bloke

agreed
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2012, 07:58:36 PM »

Ditto on Prior.
I actually think Broad is a good bowler done on form. A break for a Test or two is probably fair. He's one of the few who plays all three formats, so he could be due a break for the long-term good of England.

Root though? I think he's in the squad for experience and will only play if someone break a finger. He was a strange pick, particularly as Bairstow is technically reserve keeper, so with Morgan there too, he seems extraneous in a playing sense.
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2012, 08:16:25 PM »

We have just watched England win a Test match by 10 wickets. In this game Englands 2nd seamer has contributed absolutely nothing and their leading seamer took 1 wicket. The question I have to ask is why do we want a 3rd seamer?

Well, not all pitches that might require a second spinner will be quite so one sided as the one that has just been played on, and it is always a big risk to have just the two.
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2012, 08:17:35 PM »

Patel is a funny one, selectors obviously rate him to keep trying him again, but he hasnt set the world alight yet
Winning this test may have just saved him for the next test instead of Root, similarly with Broad aswell I think they may name an unchanged side unfortunately

Not sure about that - Bairstow and Bell perhaps?
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2012, 08:54:41 PM »

Not sure about that - Bairstow and Bell perhaps?

yeh completely forgot about Bell coming back
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #54 on: November 26, 2012, 09:19:12 PM »

Well, not all pitches that might require a second spinner will be quite so one sided as the one that has just been played on, and it is always a big risk to have just the two.

Of course they won't all be one sided. But they will all be spin dominated. You have 2 specialist spinners bowling at least 50% of the overs on pitches that favour spin. Just how many overs each do you think these 3 seamers are going to get through? I would rather lengthen my batting order with Patel or Root who are both capable of bowling overs during a days play as is KP if required. I doubt if there is one pitch in India that warrants 3 out and out seamers. Different story if we had a wicket-taking seamer who is a better bat than Patel but we don't
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2012, 01:36:47 AM »

Just a note to those who are talking about Woakes as a bowler who can bat a bit, he averages 38 in 1st class, with 6 tons and 10 fifties, Broad's average is 24 in 1st class with 1 ton and (admittedly) 16 fifties with 31 more games under his belt. Make no mistake, Woakes is a VERY accomplished bat, a different class to Broad.
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2012, 10:17:36 AM »

Of course they won't all be one sided. But they will all be spin dominated. You have 2 specialist spinners bowling at least 50% of the overs on pitches that favour spin. Just how many overs each do you think these 3 seamers are going to get through? I would rather lengthen my batting order with Patel or Root who are both capable of bowling overs during a days play as is KP if required. I doubt if there is one pitch in India that warrants 3 out and out seamers. Different story if we had a wicket-taking seamer who is a better bat than Patel but we don't

I was not necessarily referring to India though - the pitches in Pakistan last winter, and to a lesser extent in Sri Lanka as well, would have been perfect for a fie man attack. In a different way, a five man set up would be good in Australia too, where it would help combat the long hot days.
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2012, 10:32:04 AM »

indeed - to have a 5 man attack you either need an all-rounder (Flintoff, Beefy, Craig White) or to loose a batsman.

Chris Woakes is massively talented but a future number 7 at best, not a number 6, we have Prior at 7, I am not hugely keen on changing that, so Rikki Clarke it is!!
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2012, 11:20:43 AM »

Clarke bats below Woakes for Warwickshire... ;)
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Re: is Rikki Clarke the answer?
« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2012, 11:53:32 AM »

If you are looking for a batting all rounder then how about Darren Stevens or Pete Trego??  They have been successful at county level for some time...
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