Topic: Movember Ask the Bat Maker (Read 10307 times)

Chad · « **Reply #30 on:** November 27, 2012, 01:47:21 PM »

I have seen quite a few of your bats and their offset edges, and from what I've seen, the meat is higher than the thickest part of the edge. Would having the meat lower than the edge have the same effect as increasing the size of the hitting area, and why? I'm guessing that having the middle lower will change the balance of the bat, but I'm not sure.

Alvaro · « **Reply #31 on:** November 27, 2012, 01:47:43 PM »

Quote from: tim2000s on November 27, 2012, 01:46:59 PM

Isn't it called Newbery Tour?

MMi3

safbats · « **Reply #32 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:09:28 PM »

Quote from: procricket on November 27, 2012, 01:12:42 PM

Sorry I asked too many question

Andy

Do you think you can pick bats at a shop based on performance for the long term we all know bats mature differently

Is it possible to pick on performance at that early stage and to know it will get better and better or is picking on performance a selling tool

*Shop buying*

How bats mature is more to do with how it was made then anything else. If you want something that will come to life quick pick up something with a fair few grains in it and that has a good feel and isnt compressing to much when you hit it with a mallet

If you want something to get good value for money look at a softer bat with a good handle, fewer grains... put the bat on the floor and lean on it you should get some flex in the handle.

Avoid anything the is overly hard [unless you like that sort of bat] it wont loosen up for ages....

For performance picking hold bat behind it middle and tap it with a mallet if you feel/hear a nice deep tone and resonance it should be a cracker!

safbats · « **Reply #33 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:09:58 PM »

The Tour has a shape to it

safbats · « **Reply #34 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:12:50 PM »

Quote from: ajmw89 on November 27, 2012, 01:29:41 PM

How long do you spend on average making each bat?

probably spend about 1.5hrs on it, if you take out all the waiting for glue drying, starting something else, looking pencils, the right grade sandpaper, turning the radio up or down etc

Manormanic · « **Reply #35 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:17:22 PM »

Quote from: safbats on November 27, 2012, 02:12:50 PM

probably spend about 1.5hrs on it, if you take out all the waiting for glue drying, starting something else, looking pencils, the right grade sandpaper, turning the radio up or down etc

Thats interesting - I'd thought in my head that the time overhead would be much greater!

ajmw89 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:22:43 PM »

Quote from: safbats on November 27, 2012, 02:12:50 PM

probably spend about 1.5hrs on it, if you take out all the waiting for glue drying, starting something else, looking pencils, the right grade sandpaper, turning the radio up or down etc

Haha! Sounds about right... The few I've made, my pencil always seems to get buried under shavings! Although I've got a long way to go to reach hour and a hal. The last one took me about 5 hours

safbats · « **Reply #37 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:25:31 PM »

Quote from: Chad on November 27, 2012, 01:47:21 PM

I have seen quite a few of your bats and their offset edges, and from what I've seen, the meat is higher than the thickest part of the edge. Would having the meat lower than the edge have the same effect as increasing the size of the hitting area, and why? I'm guessing that having the middle lower will change the balance of the bat, but I'm not sure.

I'm going to get more people doing it now so I should say yes you can do it ;-)

But nope the edge offset and middle is there because of mass moment of inertia [MMOI] and how that effects the centre of percussion based on swing and hand position i.e it moves

If the profile shape was different the physical balance would change as would the [MMOI]

So I design it that way so the swing weight is good due to the mass lower down, balance/pickup is good because I raised the spine because off the willow on the edge. In the back ground I�ve moved the centre of percussion into the hitting middle area so your sweet spot is where you need it when you swing at varying speeds i.e where there the willow mass is.

By creating a less uniform area of willow mass I have meat in a larger area resulting in more value for your shots as well.

Ciaran · « **Reply #38 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:28:32 PM »

They say every artist has one piece of art they are most proud of. Is there a bat, or a series that you believe is your "perfect" bat?

safbats · « **Reply #39 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:32:18 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on November 27, 2012, 02:17:22 PM

Thats interesting - I'd thought in my head that the time overhead would be much greater!

If you take into consideration that you do a batch of clefts, handle and pressing, you lose a day here there because of that. You lose a day through glue drying

You then part shape them, toes, shoulders there goes more time as you do a batch.

The shaping of the bat is the only process you do in one go.

If you cut out all the batch processing and waiting it will be about right.

Chad · « **Reply #40 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:37:04 PM »

Quote from: safbats on November 27, 2012, 02:25:31 PM

I'm going to get more people doing it know so I should say yes you can do it ;-)

But nope the edge offset and middle is there because of mass moment of inertia [MMOI] and how that effects the centre of percussion based on swing and hand position i.e it moves

If the profile shape was different the physical balance would change as would the [MMOI]

So I design it that way so the swing weight is good due to the mass lower down, balance/pickup is good because I raised the spine because off the willow on the edge. In the back ground I�ve moved the centre of percussion into the hitting middle area so your sweet spot is where you need it when you swing at varying speeds i.e where there the willow mass is.

By creating a less uniform area of willow mass I have meat in a larger area resulting in more value for your shots as well.

Ah right, so that's why the Hades is designed the way it is! I get it now.

Was just wanting to see as I may start experimenting with some part mades!

Thanks for the answer! A really nice thread, as it's always interesting to learn more. Will hopefully be able to drop a donation sometime tonight, or even go for the bat raffle!

safbats · « **Reply #41 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:41:49 PM »

Quote from: Ciaran on November 27, 2012, 02:28:32 PM

They say every artist has one piece of art they are most proud of. Is there a bat, or a series that you believe is your "perfect" bat?

As much as I love bats with the offset edges and love the M10 V2 with the flowing C to V profile

The SAF Origin [nee Fabrica] is just a lovely, lovely bat to make and use if you are the right type of player. The 2010 Fabrica in the workshop is one I'd say I was most proud of as it made me the bat maker I am now.

safbats · « **Reply #42 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:43:46 PM »

Quote from: Chad on November 27, 2012, 02:37:04 PM

Ah right, so that's why the Hades is designed the way it is! I get it now. Was just wanting to see as I may start experimenting with some part mades!

Thanks for the answer! A really nice thread, as it's always interesting to learn more. Will hopefully be able to drop a donation sometime tonight, or even go for the bat raffle!

Chad I like to helpout to those starting out on the bat making thing as time allows. My number is on the website please call me with any questions you may have and like I said if I have time I will help

safbats · « **Reply #43 on:** November 27, 2012, 02:44:13 PM »

Anyone got any idea what question we are on?

Chad · « **Reply #44 on:** November 27, 2012, 04:28:44 PM »

Quote from: safbats on November 27, 2012, 02:43:46 PM

Chad I like to helpout to those starting out on the bat making thing as time allows. My number is on the website please call me with any questions you may have and like I said if I have time I will help

Thanks for the offer Andy! I will certainly give you a ring when I eventually start shaping some part mades.

I think that there's no point in shaping a bat unless you understand why you do something!

Quote from: safbats on November 27, 2012, 02:44:13 PM

Anyone got any idea what question we are on?

No idea, but if there's another one, what is the difference between different type of handle materials? I often hear terms like 12 piece construction, or treble sprung, 2 piece, 3 piece, cork and rubber inserts, which is all kind of giberish to me.

Which ones are best for what, and how do you identify such things on the handle? Most I know about handles is whether it is a carbon composite handle, or oval or round shaped.

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