Topic: Cricketers breaking down - your thoughts as to why ? (Read 10200 times)

vividgreen · « **on:** November 29, 2012, 02:19:51 PM »

Over the last couple of years we have noticed a growing trend of international cricketers constantly breaking down, in particular the bowlers, namely the Aussie's upcoming young brigade and some recent issues with Finn, etc from england.

Why do you think the emerging crop of younger players are some prone to injury ? is it the amount of cricket they play or is it the softer upbringing of today's youth with the over parenting and mothering of todays children.

Are "the kids of today just not as tough as the kids of yesterday".

My thoughts are;

Most kids are consumed by xbox, ipods, etc and just don't do the physical exertion that past kids did - riding bikes, playing sport all day long, climbing trees, etc. When i was young, i had nothing but a bike, football and cricket bat and lived and breathed it - mum wouldn't see me all day.

I know in sport (as i coach juniors) everything is regulated and this breeds mediocrity and weaker sportsman - each kid gets rotated and there are limitations on how many overs one can bowl and how balls one can face before having to retire. This frustrates the better cricketers and keeps the weaker cricketers in the sport longer who deprive the best cricketers the opportunity to improve and excel. What happened to survival of the fittest and the pecking order in sport, where you had to earn your spot.

This make you tough, which in turns makes you stronger when you get into the senior ranks.

or do you think, that us parents are making our kids play too much sport too early because we all want the next Flintoff, Federer or Tendulkar..........

Now this is a discussion for the masses - will be interesting to see what people think.

PedalsMcgrew · « **Reply #1 on:** November 29, 2012, 02:31:16 PM »

I think it's more about bowlers being told/asked/encouraged to bowl faster than their bodies are physically capable of......

cricketbadger · « **Reply #2 on:** November 29, 2012, 02:39:05 PM »

sports science gone mad
everything is far more professional
players urged not to play with slight niggles by professional team doctors and physios, in years gone by this wouldnt have happened, players would play through the injuries

Byo · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2012, 03:05:43 PM »

I reckon its got something to do with the time they spend in the gym rather than out there bowling!! Fast bowlers of 20 years ago never did all the gym work the current crop do, and they got through a lot more overs in county/test/one day cricket.

Nickauger · « **Reply #4 on:** November 29, 2012, 04:04:58 PM »

I think its because youngsters are tuned up to be perfect specimens in the gym as Byo has said. It means that they are so highly strung that when one tiny part of that goes awry, the rest goes as well. Technique is also micro-coached so much that it puts strain on everything whereas 20/30 years ago, imo technique was a bit more of a bustle up and release, and you needed to be built a bit like an ox to be seriously quick (Lillee, Thompson etc).

I don't think its sports science gone mad, as these players are worth a lot to their teams and if they're not right, and they keep playing, they will do more damage, be out longer, and not figure in important games. Makes perfect sense to me!

alba caerulea · « **Reply #5 on:** November 29, 2012, 04:07:20 PM »

There are that many variables that it is impossible for anyone to pinpoint it. If they could it wouldn't be happening!

First thing is that bowling fast is not easy work, the strain that the body goes through with each delivery is huge and to repeat this for 6 balls, 25 times a days is tough work. Injuries happen in all sports, Andrey Arshavin has even been injured and he barely moves a muscle so no surprise that fast bowlers break down quite often

Without a doubt the volume of international cricket played at present plays a part. As Test cricket is so intense, bowlers are more often than not performing near the top of their physical threshold, where injuries are most likely. In days gone by much more domestic cricket was played by international bowlers between Tests but by their own admission the intensity was far less and bowlers often ran in at 75/80% of their usual effort. This helped to keep them flexible, in rythym and to protect niggles

Some injuries, usually stress fractures, have been linked to mineral deficiencies in diets of athletes as children. Obviously important as this is when the body is forming. Athletes from less-priviliged backgrounds are more subsceptible to this for obvious reasons. The South African quick Ngam was diagnosed with something like this

Obviously the other point that has been mentioned is the one of sedentary upbringing � video games, tv etc. I don�t strictly go along with this because I had a console (Mega Drive!) and tv in my room as a kid but never would I choose to play on it over going outside and playing football or cricket or tennis. I think that if you are interested in sport enough to be an elite athlete it is unlikely you put video games in front of that sport even as a child. Increasingly sedentary lifestyles can be rightly blamed for many things � heart disease, obesity etc but I do not believe that injuries in international fast bowlers is one of them

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #6 on:** November 29, 2012, 04:17:10 PM »

Quote from: Byo on November 29, 2012, 03:05:43 PM

I reckon its got something to do with the time they spend in the gym rather than out there bowling!! Fast bowlers of 20 years ago never did all the gym work the current crop do, and they got through a lot more overs in county/test/one day cricket.

This

Nickauger · « **Reply #7 on:** November 29, 2012, 04:25:53 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on November 29, 2012, 04:07:20 PM

There are that many variables that it is impossible for anyone to pinpoint it. If they could it wouldn't be happening!

First thing is that bowling fast is not easy work, the strain that the body goes through with each delivery is huge and to repeat this for 6 balls, 25 times a days is tough work. Injuries happen in all sports, Andrey Arshavin has even been injured and he barely moves a muscle so no surprise that fast bowlers break down quite often

Without a doubt the volume of international cricket played at present plays a part. As Test cricket is so intense, bowlers are more often than not performing near the top of their physical threshold, where injuries are most likely. In days gone by much more domestic cricket was played by international bowlers between Tests but by their own admission the intensity was far less and bowlers often ran in at 75/80% of their usual effort. This helped to keep them flexible, in rythym and to protect niggles

Some injuries, usually stress fractures, have been linked to mineral deficiencies in diets of athletes as children. Obviously important as this is when the body is forming. Athletes from less-priviliged backgrounds are more subsceptible to this for obvious reasons. The South African quick Ngam was diagnosed with something like this

Obviously the other point that has been mentioned is the one of sedentary upbringing � video games, tv etc. I don�t strictly go along with this because I had a console (Mega Drive!) and tv in my room as a kid but never would I choose to play on it over going outside and playing football or cricket or tennis. I think that if you are interested in sport enough to be an elite athlete it is unlikely you put video games in front of that sport even as a child. Increasingly sedentary lifestyles can be rightly blamed for many things � heart disease, obesity etc but I do not believe that injuries in international fast bowlers is one of them

This comment is a darn sight easier to read when split into paragraphs lol

The_Bird · « **Reply #8 on:** November 29, 2012, 04:29:40 PM »

Is strength and conditioning really the answer?

It's the modern way.

Jagminder · « **Reply #9 on:** November 29, 2012, 05:05:36 PM »

I might be completely wrong here but here is my 2 cents
When you are bowling 4 overs per day(T20) - your body gets used to a certain level of effort over a given period of time.
Then in a test match over the period of 5 sessions(given other team lasts 5 sessions batting) - you are expected to bowl as much as 8 T20 games (32 overs).
At international level - intensity of bowling spells is expected to stay the same.
Yes schedules are crazy but fast bowler's body is now exposed to wider range of effort level (4 overs to a test match).
It "might" be one of the things.

Jag.

Manormanic · « **Reply #10 on:** November 29, 2012, 05:24:16 PM »

All of the above are factors but I think the biggest is missed.

The obsessions with sports science etc means that conditioning is very specific to a sport. This is okay in some ways but when the same sports pressure kids, at least the ones with serious top level potential, to choose a career path (ie a single sport) when they are 10-11 years old as opposed to playing a wide range of sports as they would have done twenty, thirty, fourty years ago, the result can be an uneven development of the body. And it is the weaker points which get injured...

RightArmRapid · « **Reply #11 on:** November 29, 2012, 05:37:45 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on November 29, 2012, 05:24:16 PM

All of the above are factors but I think the biggest is missed.

The obsessions with sports science etc means that conditioning is very specific to a sport. This is okay in some ways but when the same sports pressure kids, at least the ones with serious top level potential, to choose a career path (ie a single sport) when they are 10-11 years old as opposed to playing a wide range of sports as they would have done twenty, thirty, fourty years ago, the result can be an uneven development of the body. And it is the weaker points which get injured...

Not 100% sure about this, the private schools from which a lot of these lads are picked encourage participating in cricket rugby and hockey. Specialisation doesn't really come till sixth form, at least that is my observation. Could have to do with all the cricket they play these days, the emergence of t20 cricket has added all sorts of competitions like clt20 ipl bpl and the t20 world cup, I know nothing of the subject so it's just a suggestion. Wouldn't put it down to soft upbringing. Go spend a year in a poor suburb of Jamaica or Barbados!

alba caerulea · « **Reply #12 on:** November 29, 2012, 05:45:03 PM »

Quote from: Nickauger on November 29, 2012, 04:25:53 PM

This comment is a darn sight easier to read when split into paragraphs lol

Sorry about that! Computer needs a serious Defrag

coverpoint_pro · « **Reply #13 on:** November 29, 2012, 06:14:49 PM »

A lot more cricket is being played and a lot more training is being done.

GarrettJ · « **Reply #14 on:** November 29, 2012, 06:16:14 PM »

kids these days are soft as (No Swearing Please)

i remember as a 16 year old playing 4 games a week, opening in every one and keeping wicket as well. That is a total of 200 overs wicket keeping and i used to bat a long time as well, probably 75 - 100 overs a week .......... i hear some 18 year olds telling me they are tired after batting 6 overs and that they are going to start hitting out.

then they turn up in midweek and tell me they are tired so dont feel like batting.

anyone born in the 1990's is soft.

thread closed.

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