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[ItsJustCricket]

Interested to know: how many of you guys have actually seen and picked up a Hammer, let alone used one? I think such bold claims should be reserved to those who can honestly answer yes to this question.

[mad_abt_cricket]

yeah.. just read through his comments.. and  based on my experience I don't think these sort of scoops really help to bring down the weight too much.

[wilkie113]

Interested to know: how many of you guys have actually seen and picked up a Hammer, let alone used one? I think such bold claims should be reserved to those who can honestly answer yes to this question.

Used a both laver, and TK bats in the past, so what sets the hammer bats aside from the people who manufacture them? It's not like there going to be any different than anything people have used off of both the bat makers before. Except for a bigger hole in your pocket

[ItsJustCricket]

Used a both laver, and TK bats in the past, so what sets the hammer bats aside from the people who manufacture them? It's not like there going to be any different than anything people have used off of both the bat makers before. Except for a bigger hole in your pocket

Sounds like you're questioning my judgement, Tom.

Do you really think I would waste time, effort and money to stock overpriced, re-labelled bats?! Besides, last time I checked the bat makers you mentioned actually made pretty decent sticks!

[The_Bird]

To quote the CSO guy from CI forum

'Let the rumours begin'

Only following his wishes.

As everyone knows on here, every bat company is going to get questioned about the source. Out of everyone I think MSR have been the most honest by saying its bats go all round the world and by showing its step by step bat making process, also H4L as well. Honesty gets you a long way.

[mad_abt_cricket]

Might be a good idea to start a new discussion thread on this topic... ( just a suggestion).

[wilkie113]

Sounds like you're questioning my judgement, Tom.

Do you really think I would waste time, effort and money to stock overpriced, re-labelled bats?! Besides, last time I checked the bat makers you mentioned actually made pretty decent sticks!

I'm not doubting there good sticks at all. They are clearly good bats as you see the amount of lavers on here. Not to mention the amount of people really liking newberys and other people who sell tk bats. My opinion is why would you go and get a hammer. When you can get a laver direct, even the top end newberys sps is cheaper (if I'm not mistaken) than these platinum hammers. Agree to disagree in this subject Paul. As I believe the naive people of the market will see the shiny stickers and buy the bats, not knowing who there made by and where they come from.

[procricket]

Ok my doubts about all this is this

If I was a batmakers and I outsourced to other brands would I give my best bats to the other brands that's the question people should ask

[ItsJustCricket]

To quote the CSO guy from CI forum

'Let the rumours begin'

Only following his wishes.

As everyone knows on here, every bat company is going to get questioned about the source. Out of everyone I think MSR have been the most honest by saying its bats go all round the world and by showing its step by step bat making process, also H4L as well. Honesty gets you a long way.

To quote the CSO guy from CI forum

'Let the rumours begin'

Only following his wishes.

As everyone knows on here, every bat company is going to get questioned about the source. Out of everyone I think MSR have been the most honest by saying its bats go all round the world and by showing its step by step bat making process, also H4L as well. Honesty gets you a long way.

So, what would you do if the bat maker himself didn't let you reveal his name?

[The_Bird]

So, what would you do if the bat maker himself didn't let you reveal his name?

You are in a different position to us as a retailer, as a consumer i would just buy a Newbery or H4L. As a shop you sell the finished product and what goes on before maybe doesn't get considered.

[ItsJustCricket]

You are in a different position to us as a retailer, as a consumer i would just buy a Newbery or H4L. As a shop you sell the finished product and what goes on before maybe doesn't get considered.

I agree that honesty does get you a long way, but you need to realise that Jason actually has been honest to the bat makers all along, by not revealing their names!

I implore this thread to only involve those who have actually seen or used Hammer bats before because it's bordering on slander otherwise...

[Red Ink Cricket]

its the same with any brand who stickers bats that are made by a current brand/bat maker. doesnt matter if its tk, laver or indian made bats. for those that cant tell a TK from a laver without pretty stickers on, it makes no difference to them. they see a nice bat with nice stickers and if they have the funds they buy it. for us bat nerds and those who do know the difference, we do feel that certain brands take the mick with their pricing which in some occasions is more than the equivalent product from the makers themselves. at the end of the day its business. if people are willing to pay stupid amounts for a bat then why not cash in on that. is it right to do so? thats a personal opinion. 

[RightArmRapid]

I agree that honesty does get you a long way, but you need to realise that Jason actually has been honest to the bat makers all along, by not revealing their names!

I implore this thread to only involve those who have actually seen or used Hammer bats before because it's bordering on slander otherwise...

It seemed to be fair game when it was MSR before he came on
Of course it would only be fair for people to refrain from commenting on the bats before using them but it would also only be fair to apply these standards across the board!

[The_Bird]

You could argue his tone with Thomas Wilkie wasn't that nice.

Where has the L&W and TK tags come from then?

Have you sold many?

[wilkie113]

So of you haven't used a hammer bat, but used a TK made bat or a laver you can comment?
Because essentially that's what they are lol.

Nobody is doubting there good bats at all. I haven't once said why buy a hammer it's a plank.

But I don't see why people in the know would ever buy a hammer, when you can get exactly the same bat off various places/forum sponsors for the same if not a better price.

I'm sure hammer bats play in exactly the same way all tks and lavers play.