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[Kulli]

my experience of playing in australia is that yes the ball used may be of the same brand ( i cant remember if i used a kookaburra or not) but the balls vary between grades of cricket. I remember bowling for a grade 2 side when we used a 4 piece ball that moved a little but after a minor injury i dropped down the the grade 3 side and we used a 2 piece ball that i could swing round corners. surely thats not exactly equal? you would be in the nets at training with guys from 1st grade running in and bowling at decent pace swinging it a little, you were able to playing it easily. you would then face a lower grade bowler bowling boomeranging donkey drops which were impossible to play. in the UK we may use different branded balls per leagues but atleast ( to my knowledge anyway) all balls have to be 4 piece.

Jesus, no wonder they can't produce any spinners or batsmen if they grow up playing with a two piece, even I can make those things go round corners!

[Number4]

Why do you think it takes more 'skill' to bowl with a Kooka? It's the same when both are new etc. The difference (as people have said and you are ignoring) is one will go soft quickly and become a dead ball and the other will continue to swing/seam for longer and so provide a better contest between bat and ball. 'Skill' has no baring on it as it's the same skill with both balls and as far as I can see all nations can swing both balls (and I'm pretty sure anyone on this forum who swings a kook or duke could swing the other one if asked)

I didn't say it took more skill.. You guys claimed they were better balls cause they "swung around corners"

Didn't think sarcasm was called for regarding India using SG balls.. never claimed to know more than you just stating a fact... Maybe if you knew your facts before waffling on there wouldn't be any confusion.

[Number4]

Jesus, no wonder they can't produce any spinners or batsmen if they grow up playing with a two piece, even I can make those things go round corners!

Sure it wasn't a Dukes?

[Kulli]

Sure it wasn't a Dukes?

Nah, nothing swings like a twp piece. I've found the seam on the dukes make a lot more difference than anything else, it's mainly readers balls used in Scotland though, and god knows what it is we use in Norway, something made in a garden shed i think.

[ProCricketer1982]

Maybe if you knew your facts before waffling on there wouldn't be any confusion.

If we all did that you'd have very few people talking in the world as no one know's everything. You just picked up something that was pretty irrelevant to the point of the post so proved or disproved nothing, other than picking at another member just because you could. (although I assume correct about India as I have no idea or wish to know/care what India use)

[alba caerulea]

NZ is basically just Australia (sorry Kiwi's ) and Kooks are an Aussie company so Aus will have to use them.

Very small-minded view of the world there. NZ are an independent cricketing nation and I'm sure they are not obliged to use any particular company

Different balls in different countries comes as part of the touring experience I feel. We weren't moaning about the Kook ball when we won the Ashes down under. Get on with it

The pitches have been more to blame in this series without doubt. And it seems as though people have forgotten about a chap called Swann and what a difference he makes to the side. Monty is good but Swann is excellent

[Number4]

As the only nation using Dukes I just know how you come to the conclusion that its the best ball.. maybe it is or maybe it isn't. I do know CA were looking at using Dukes balls because they believe it gave England an advantage in the ashes series in England so wanted to get players used to a ball that swings excessively

[The_Bird]

Hats off to two metre Peter as well.

[Number4]

Very small-minded view of the world there. NZ are an independent cricketing nation and I'm sure they are not obliged to use any particular company

Different balls in different countries comes as part of the touring experience I feel. We weren't moaning about the Kook ball when we won the Ashes down under. Get on with it

The pitches have been more to blame in this series without doubt. And it seems as though people have forgotten about a chap called Swann and what a difference he makes to the side. Monty is good but Swann is excellent

I agree Alba... They should be making better cricket wickets not worrying about which balls are being used

[alba caerulea]

I agree Alba... They should be making better cricket wickets not worrying about which balls are being used

Botham was talking about it last night on commentary mate, should only be expected that a few people jump on the bandwagon

[Nickauger]

Botham was talking about it last night on commentary mate, should only be expected that a few people jump on the bandwagon

Woah, off of your soap box. People are entitled to their opinions regardless of where they come from!

[alba caerulea]

Woah, off of your soap box. People are entitled to their opinions regardless of where they come from!

They are entitled to their own opinions yes. All those who have used both the Dukes and Kookaburra balls in identical conditions are welcome to compare them

If you haven't used both then you are forming an opinion because of what someone on tv has told you

As I said no-one was complaining about the kookaburra ball when we rolled Australia over. And South Africa haven't had many issues recently in the Kook ball not doing much have they?

And what is a soap box??

[ProCricketer1982]

They are entitled to their own opinions yes. All those who have used both the Dukes and Kookaburra balls in identical conditions are welcome to compare them

If you haven't used both then you are forming an opinion because of what someone on tv has told you

As I said no-one was complaining about the kookaburra ball when we rolled Australia over. And South Africa haven't had many issues recently in the Kook ball not doing much have they?

Pretty sure I remember watching said ashes series and the ball being blasted then as well. SA commentators constantly make a note about the ball going soft early as well. They just seem to 'get on with it' as they don't have anything else so why bother discussing it. England have something different so have more of a discussion over it.

Many people will have used both types of ball. I brought both purely to see the difference and how long they lasted just so I wasn't going off TV pundits as you say. Not saying my mini judgemetn is perfect, correct, flawless etc.. It's as good as it gets for now though.

[DiscoStu]

They are entitled to their own opinions yes. All those who have used both the Dukes and Kookaburra balls in identical conditions are welcome to compare them

If you haven't used both then you are forming an opinion because of what someone on tv has told you

As I said no-one was complaining about the kookaburra ball when we rolled Australia over. And South Africa haven't had many issues recently in the Kook ball not doing much have they?

And what is a soap box??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_box

I like to help.

[alba caerulea]

The pitches around the world are what needs looking at more than the balls

Lol it wasn't much of a speech it was only one line