Topic: Australian Ashes First Test XI (Read 27019 times)

Vic Nicholas · « **Reply #45 on:** April 17, 2013, 06:53:43 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on April 16, 2013, 08:17:06 PM

I deleted the rest of your piffle. And checked - on last ten knocks I beat Mr Hughes by nearly a hundred fifty total, though at a rather lower level (well, some of those Sri Lankan seamers were pretty woeful so maybe not THAT much lower....).

But anyway, lets look at a few of the things you neglected to mention in pathetically posturing bullet point form:

I doubt anyone on here has ever gone ona run of "form" at our chosen level like Phillip-dear did in India. What was it, 5 dismissals in 32 balls for 4 runs or something?

I doubt anyone on here has had to have a (suposedly) lesser player cover for them against good opposition lest they fail and it affect their confidence.

The fact is, once that initial three test burst of form against South Africa passed, Hughes has managed a few cheap runs against one of the worst Test attacks in living memory....and not much else. He can't play the short ball, the ball close to his body, the inswinger or any form of spin - I actually admire his tenacity for continuing to try (or at least, I would until I think about the pathetic conversations he must have had before the South Africa series).

You are full of crap.

Firstly, I do not believe you and until you show me your score cards, I will continue to treat your utterances as BS.

Secondly, Hughes doesn't need any protection from SA as his record against them is the best of any team he has played against - and yes, he has played more than one series against them you wonker.

Joe Root - the GREAT white hope on this forum - played against arguably the worst seam attack in the world and did three fifths of (No Swearing Please) all. Do you label him an "embarrassment"?

Nope. because you are blinkered wonker.

Jonny Bairstow has done next to nothing, yet you rate him a superstar. Based on what? One innings?

How about the other favourite poster boy around here - Taylor - he hasn't managed even ONE decent test innings. He was highly rated because he made some runs in Div 2. Big fockin deal!

But don't worry wonkermaniac, because there were some really classy South African kids at the last u19 World Cup - I am sure the ECCB talent scouts in Cape Town are already trying to find even a skerrick of British DNA in their family trees in order to fit them in to the England top order as we speak.

P.S. I love how you avoided answering the question vis-�-vis Phil Hughes three varied dismissals in the 2009 Ashes - nutmegged you good and proper you plonker!

Vic Nicholas · « **Reply #46 on:** April 17, 2013, 07:05:55 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on April 16, 2013, 08:30:55 PM

I think you guys are missing one key factor, neither Hughes nor Robson are good enough for test cricket, there must be better players whether they be in aus or england and an aussie.

in my personal opinion i honestly think chris rodgers would be the perfect guy to bat at 3 to bring in some experiance (not much test having only played one) as he has hit 19000 fc runs!!

If there were better players than Phil Hughes in Australia, they would already be playing.

I would rather play Rogers, D. Hussey and old man Hodge, as allied with Clarke, they would make decent totals to give the bowlers something to bowl at - but that isn't going to happen, so it is pointless even dreaming of it.

If I could pick the first test team, it would look something like this:

Warner
Cowan
Khawaja
Clarke
Burns
S. Marsh
Wade
Starc
Pattinson
Siddle
Lyon/Bird

But no way will the selectors go down that road.

DiscoStu · « **Reply #47 on:** April 23, 2013, 04:52:31 PM »

Still speculation but here's what Cricinfo thinks:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/content/current/story/631745.html

I know he was part of the 'Homework 4' but I thought Johnson was worth the risk this summer, even just as a squad player.

lukemannionzimbabwe · « **Reply #48 on:** April 23, 2013, 06:18:46 PM »

This for me could be quite a good squad...

1.) David Warner

2.) Ed Cowan

3.) Phil Hughes

4.) Michael Clarke

5.) Shaun Marsh

6.) Shane Watson / Steve Smith ( Would make it difficult to justify having Lyon in the squad if you have Smith, but if you have Watson you might, MIGHT need one less pacer)

7.) Matt Wade. No way am I picking Brad Haddin.

8.) James Faulkner ( Not rated in the 5 day game, but he is a big talent, and a bit of exposure could do him good, and he is the in the top three for leading bowlers in the IPL, but then again you have this question of T20 and Test being so different, you wonder if he could last a series in England without going Gayle-Force and slogging et al ?)

9.) Mitch Starc. Rate him highly.

10.) James Pattinson.

11.) Nathan Lyon/Xavier Doherty/

On The Fringe :

Aaron Finch

Ben Laughlin

Dave Hussey

Luke Pomersbach

Mitchell Marsh

Jackson Bird

fros23 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 23, 2013, 06:29:44 PM »

Quote from: lukemannionzimbabwe on April 23, 2013, 06:18:46 PM

6.) Shane Watson / Steve Smith ( Would make it difficult to justify having Lyon in the squad if you have Smith, but if you have Watson you might, MIGHT need one less pacer)

Smith is not a bowler! Can't believe people haven't figured this out yet. He is a batsman who can turn his arm over in the same mould as Pietersen or Trott. He only bowled 15 overs in the Sheffield shield last year so there is no way he would be picked as a front line spinner.

DiscoStu · « **Reply #50 on:** April 23, 2013, 06:37:28 PM »

Yeah Smith can not get into the team as an all-rounder. Only as a batsman where he might get the nod over Hughes or Marsh. Both Smith and Watson have shown form in the IPL so possible they could both play but Watson has to bowl if that is the case.

ammo · « **Reply #51 on:** April 24, 2013, 06:04:12 AM »

well the squad has been announced
Ashes squad: Michael Clarke (capt), Brad Haddin (vice-capt, wk), David Warner, Ed Cowan, Phillip Hughes, Shane Watson, Usman Khawaja, Chris Rogers, Matthew Wade (wk), James Faulkner, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc, Nathan Lyon, Jackson Bird.

Manormanic · « **Reply #52 on:** April 24, 2013, 07:08:37 AM »

It is, if nothing else, a step back toward common sense from the Australian selectors.

Obviously, Hughes should have been left out, but that was never realistically going to happen. At least the other batting places are right (assuming that Watson is going to bowl), and Rogers will add some gumption to the top of the order.

Faulkner instead of Henriques....not sure what the latter really did wrong...

Smith perhaps a bit unlucky after being one of the better performers in India...

Binsy · « **Reply #53 on:** April 24, 2013, 07:29:28 AM »

Surprised they have gone back to Haddin, although I do accept he brings a bit more leadership to the table and is a close buddy of Clarke's. Not sure that Wade has done a lot wrong, although claims that he would get in the side for his batting alone are laughable.

Also don't see where Rogers is going to slot in, unless Watson takes the all-rounders role at number 6, in which case Rogers would fill the number 3 slot vacated by Hughes.

Buzz · « **Reply #54 on:** April 24, 2013, 07:56:32 AM »

based on the squad, the likely batting order will be

David Warner, Ed Cowan, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (capt),Phillip Hughes, Brad Haddin (vice-capt, wk), Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, James Pattinson, Nathan Lyon.

Manormanic · « **Reply #55 on:** April 24, 2013, 07:58:42 AM »

Bit harsh on Michell Starc if he doesn't start the series.

Alvaro · « **Reply #56 on:** April 24, 2013, 07:59:31 AM »

I agree. I think that he will play instead of Pattinson.
I'm not sure that Hughes will bat at six either.

Manormanic · « **Reply #57 on:** April 24, 2013, 08:12:02 AM »

I don't think Pattinson will miss out either - I suspect Harris and Siddle will share workhorse duties.

jamielsn15 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 24, 2013, 08:21:21 AM »

They (the Aussies) need experience and scrappers, of which Haddin and Rogers tick both boxes. The Ashes isn't a place for players who are struggling for form at the start of their careers (Hughes, Khawaja, et al).

Agree that Rogers should bat 3 and Hughes/AN Other at 6. Not surprised Johnson wasn't picked for English conditions, though feel that Smith and Henriques have been hard done by.

Don't know anything about Faulkner.

Watson got hammered in an article in the Cricketer, so I guess if Haddin is a good mate of Clarke's, he wants a right hand man he can trust.

Overall, glad the selectors have seen sense and gone for experience...

Binsy · « **Reply #59 on:** April 24, 2013, 08:23:07 AM »

Can't play Harris and Siddle, they're basically the same bowler. Starc as a left arm would bring variety and is a more than useful bat as well. Phil Hughes isn't a number 6 either - Watson will have to revert back here if he plans to play as a change bowler as well.

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