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[Ryan]

Fair enough, I just think they will spoil the amateur game and half the umpires I have ever played with wouldn't be able to tell the difference.  Strategic placement of stickers can also make it very difficult to detect such bats..... slippery slope

Slippery slope to where? Laminates are widely available through various contacts and I don't see an issue with  an experiment. We all know what constitutes a type A bat, this doesn't conform with this regulation.

[Vitas Cricket]

Quite right Ryan.

Plenty of places to get a lam, openly sold with no hush hush or secrecy.

Tim Keeley being the biggest name i suppose. CA, Malik also do them, pretty sure every Pakistani brand would do one if asked, if they aren't openly marketing them anyway.

Most league umpires wouldn't know the rule, and if made aware would probably tell whoever was complaining to bloody well get on with it.

Having used a few i think the performance difference is not massive. They make a difference at the elite level of sport as tiny margins sway things, and this is probably part of the reason why they are banned.

[tailender]

well if thats the case why dont we just bring bats with metal inserts?

surely the law is there for a reason and bat makers should do their bit to enforce it?  if we can ignore the law in this manner what is stopping someone making a bat wider than the legal limits and so on?

Seems strange that bat makers would openly advertise the fact that they produce bats that break MCC laws?

[uknsaunders]

well if thats the case why dont we just bring bats with metal inserts?

surely the law is there for a reason and bat makers should do their bit to enforce it?  if we can ignore the law in this manner what is stopping someone making a bat wider than the legal limits and so on?

Seems strange that bat makers would openly advertise the fact that they produce bats that break MCC laws?

Now you are being silly!

Ryan has stated (unlike most batmakers) that these bats ARE NOT for match use and for netting only. No different to a soft ball bat, though without the performance benefits. Just to touch on Jakes point about league umpires. I saw a guy bat with a Kippax lammy in a league game. He played a firm push and the ball flew over cover for 4!. I told the umpires it wasn't legal and they shrugged their shoulders and said they didn't know it illegal or not. You could clearly see the join and the bat was huge!. Guy was allowed to carry on batting with it.

[Number4]

Pretty sure you can use any width bat in the nets and as Ryan has stated it's an experiment and not a type A bat so all good to go in the nets

[GarrettJ]

im pretty sure on that Tendulkar bat thread one of them he is inspecting is a laminate

[Ryan]

well if thats the case why dont we just bring bats with metal inserts?

surely the law is there for a reason and bat makers should do their bit to enforce it?  if we can ignore the law in this manner what is stopping someone making a bat wider than the legal limits and so on?

Seems strange that bat makers would openly advertise the fact that they produce bats that break MCC laws?

I think you're taking this "experiment" out or context.  I have no way suggested that these laminates would conform with MCC laws and regulations or suggested that these would or should be used in a game environment. 

This is purely an exercise to test how laminating willow with various glues etc affects performance. 

[Manormanic]

I think in fairness the laws only prohibit their use in a game, not their existence...

This and other overreactions....

[uknsaunders]

On the subject of Corking:-

MythBusters test[edit]

According to the MythBusters August 8, 2007 baseball special, the ball hit by a corked bat travels at only half the speed of a ball hit by an unmodified bat, causing it to go a shorter distance. The cork inside the bat actually absorbs the kinetic energy like a sponge, hindering the batter's performance. In addition, because corked bats are lighter, they have less momentum to transfer to the ball, bringing them to the conclusion that the use of a corked bat had fewer benefits over a regular bat. The show also notes that while filling a bat with cork makes it lighter, there is nothing in the rule book that prevents a player from simply using a lighter, uncorked bat.[5] However, lighter wood bats are shorter than heavier bats (a baseball bat has a linear weight-to-length ratio referred to as "drop"); drilling out a heavier bat and adding a less dense filling allows the swing speed of a lighter bat with the plate reach of a heavier one, which may allow the batter to make solid contact with pitches more effectively.[6]


Myth statement   Status   Notes
A baseball bat filled with cork can hit a baseball farther than a normal bat.   Busted   This myth operates under the assumption that cork-filled bats can be swung faster because of their lighter weight, and that the springiness of the cork could propel the ball farther. To eliminate the human factor of the myth, Adam and Jamie constructed a special batting rig and used a pressurized air cannon to launch the baseball at it. Tests showed that the cannon could launch the ball 80 miles per hour, which is the average speed of most MLB pitches. Regulation bats could propel the ball away at 80 mph (130 km/h) while corked bats could only propel the ball 40 mph (64 km/h), half the speed of regulation bats. The reason was that cork bats have less mass to transfer force into the ball, and the cork actually absorbs some of the ball's impact. The MythBusters concluded that using a cork filled bat will not improve performance (it will in fact hurt it), and the major league batters who were caught using cork-filled bats risked their careers for absolutely nothing.

[TangoWhiskey]

On the subject of Corking:-

MythBusters test[edit]

According to the MythBusters August 8, 2007 baseball special, the ball hit by a corked bat travels at only half the speed of a ball hit by an unmodified bat, causing it to go a shorter distance. The cork inside the bat actually absorbs the kinetic energy like a sponge, hindering the batter's performance. In addition, because corked bats are lighter, they have less momentum to transfer to the ball, bringing them to the conclusion that the use of a corked bat had fewer benefits over a regular bat. The show also notes that while filling a bat with cork makes it lighter, there is nothing in the rule book that prevents a player from simply using a lighter, uncorked bat.[5] However, lighter wood bats are shorter than heavier bats (a baseball bat has a linear weight-to-length ratio referred to as "drop"); drilling out a heavier bat and adding a less dense filling allows the swing speed of a lighter bat with the plate reach of a heavier one, which may allow the batter to make solid contact with pitches more effectively.[6]


Myth statement   Status   Notes
A baseball bat filled with cork can hit a baseball farther than a normal bat.   Busted   This myth operates under the assumption that cork-filled bats can be swung faster because of their lighter weight, and that the springiness of the cork could propel the ball farther. To eliminate the human factor of the myth, Adam and Jamie constructed a special batting rig and used a pressurized air cannon to launch the baseball at it. Tests showed that the cannon could launch the ball 80 miles per hour, which is the average speed of most MLB pitches. Regulation bats could propel the ball away at 80 mph (130 km/h) while corked bats could only propel the ball 40 mph (64 km/h), half the speed of regulation bats. The reason was that cork bats have less mass to transfer force into the ball, and the cork actually absorbs some of the ball's impact. The MythBusters concluded that using a cork filled bat will not improve performance (it will in fact hurt it), and the major league batters who were caught using cork-filled bats risked their careers for absolutely nothing.

Wow, very interesting.

[tailender]

I think you're taking this "experiment" out or context.  I have no way suggested that these laminates would conform with MCC laws and regulations or suggested that these would or should be used in a game environment. 

This is purely an exercise to test how laminating willow with various glues etc affects performance.

so these bats will not be for sale? i think people on here jump to the wrong conclusions when points are made, what im saying is... if you sell a laminated bat to joe bloggs "for net use only" knowing that it is illegal to use in a game, how do you plan to make sure the bat isnt used in a game? you cant! so therefore, isnt it irresponsible to produce such bats?

If someone turns up on a sat and starts blasting boundaries with a railway sleeper of a bat, is this fair?

[Ryan]

Your going down a completely different avenue or missing the point all together.  Again these are to test different affects and any performance increase from a standard bat. Laminates are widely available through various contacts,  some of which are on this forum and no one has questioned their integrity even though their examples are for sale.

This is a project to experiment through the closed season which I thought the forum would be interested to see. But if you'd rather discuss types of grips etc then that's fine, however I find that a little boring. 

[Ryan]

But I can see where you're coming from. It's impossible to police what a customer does with a bat after purchase.

[GarrettJ]

"However, lighter wood bats are shorter than heavier bats (a baseball bat has a linear weight-to-length ratio referred to as "drop"); drilling out a heavier bat and adding a less dense filling allows the swing speed of a lighter bat with the plate reach of a heavier one, which may allow the batter to make solid contact with pitches more effectively"

what does this bit mean .... get a 4lb long blade bat and cork it to 2.8 and it should improve performance?

[Number4]

But I can see where you're coming from. It's impossible to police what a customer does with a bat after purchase.

And it isn't the bat makers job to police what is done with the bat after selling it.

It's illegal to hit someone over the head with a Type A bat.. Is it the bat makers job to make sure the customer doesn't use it for that too?