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[beaver5]

On the plus side Bell is finally looking like a truly world class batsman. I've been very critical of him in the past as he had all the talent but rarely delivered under real pressure. In the last ashes series and this one he has looked a class above the rest and for that reason he should be batting at 3. This would also make the batting line up look much stronger and hopefully help stop KP coming in too early.

Carberry too has looked good. He seems to have a good temperament and looked unfazed by Root and KP throwing their wickets away. I was really surprised that some commentators criticised him when he got out. He was patient and waited for the right ball which was short and asking to be hit. Had be ballooned to in the air trying to smack it out the ground and been caught on the fence it would have been a bad shot, but he nailed it and got over the top of it. It was just unfortunate that Warner pulled off a stunning catch.

[cleanbowled]

Sometimes teams just drop the ball for some reason. I remember India when they were number 1 just came off a drawn series in SA where they did very well, then won the World Cup. Everything seemed to be just right in all formats.

Came into England and got thumped and whitewashed, and followed that up with another whitewash in Australia. Not sure what changed in those few months.

England seem a little like that, they look jaded and not quite the same. Johnson has of course been a major factor, but I feel alot of this is due to England just not having their mojo at the moment. Australia have stepped up in all departments as a team and that shows, while England have just gone a few steps back.

[Sam]

One team is on the rise (although they how a few oldies so won't be rising for long without new players coming through) and England's main players are on the wane. Wrong side of 30 most of them, been there ages and no real competition for their places.

It's a cycle all teams go through tbh BUT give. This is a national side they should have been planning and watching for these guys to start the dip, send them to pasture and have the next cab ready to go . None of it's happened so now we have his situation. Catches win matches and searching a take like Warner's is something this England side did between 2009-2011 consistently but now can barley catch a cold.. Sign of a poor team in my opinion. I don't personally think this aus side is that good, they are just better than this England side.

Batting slow is arrogant ?? Oh right, that's a new one

Things like this don't suddenly come on like that though. Players don't suddenly lose their form permanently  . We also do have a large amount of younger players waiting for the places, they're just not getting in because no ones being dropped!

[joeljonno]

Root played an attacking shot to the spinner, he got a top edge, if it had been about 2mm down his bat, it would have been 6 and a great shot.

Pietersen played one of his best scoring shots straight to a fielder.

Carberry hit the ball straight at a fielder.

I don't understand how people are saying one was a bad shot when another wasn't?  Yeah, Carberry middled it, straight to a fielder aho took a good catch down low to his left. He could have got both hands to it.

If Carberry was unlucky to pock a fielder out at regulation square leg when he could have smashed the ball into the crowd, then Root was unlucky to mistime a perfectly acceptable shot. Its not as if Root came dancing down the track, having a big swish and missing it.

[ProCricketer1982]

Things like this don't suddenly come on like that though. Players don't suddenly lose their form permanently  . We also do have a large amount of younger players waiting for the places, they're just not getting in because no ones being dropped!

As has been mentioned before you don't just suddenly become crap but you tail off. More poor or below avg innings  and less quality innings. Prior is an example of this. He's always been liable to get out early but used to also score some good runs, currently he's having more bad and less good. That to me are the signs a player is on the wane. It's not an exact science, some will decline at 31.. Some at 35. I think you and I should agree to disagree as  we actually say the same but take each other's words literally. I didn't say there weren't any youngsters coming through.. I just said they've not succession planned right as we now have our main guys and then rookies.
It hasn't 'suddenly' come on though has it, just look at all the 11 playing today's batting since 2009 year on year and you'll see it's been declining for 12-18 months for the majority. If you look game on game scores then it becomes more obvious whose performing less often as an overall stat can be misleading .

[ProCricketer1982]

Root played an attacking shot to the spinner, he got a top edge, if it had been about 2mm down his bat, it would have been 6 and a great shot.

Pietersen played one of his best scoring shots straight to a fielder.

Carberry hit the ball straight at a fielder.

I don't understand how people are saying one was a bad shot when another wasn't?  Yeah, Carberry middled it, straight to a fielder aho took a good catch down low to his left. He could have got both hands to it.

If Carberry was unlucky to pock a fielder out at regulation square leg when he could have smashed the ball into the crowd, then Root was unlucky to mistime a perfectly acceptable shot. Its not as if Root came dancing down the track, having a big swish and missing it.

Not sure anyone who can be taken seriously will blame Carberry for his dismissal. Maybe he could have hit it a bit behind square but he kept it down etc. unlike KP whose shot was just terrible. Root's dismissal was bad in my books as it wasn't a % shot. Lyon bowls with over spin which will give him extra bounce. So sweeping is more dangerous. Add to that the position the England team were in it probably (IMO) wasn't a % shot.

[joeljonno]

Maybe he shouldn't hit it at a fielder then. If KP or Cook had got outon 60,they'd have been lambasted for not going on and getting a hundred.

If you don't blame Carberry, then you cant blame Root for seeing off the opening bowlers and trying to take on the spinner. Obviously 50-odd for 1 is not a time to play attacking, so when is?

[ProCricketer1982]

Maybe he shouldn't hit it at a fielder then. If KP or Cook had got outon 60,they'd have been lambasted for not going on and getting a hundred.

If you don't blame Carberry, then you cant blame Root for seeing off the opening bowlers and trying to take on the spinner. Obviously 50-odd for 1 is not a time to play attacking, so when is?

Didn't say don't play attacking shots did I. For gods sake read the post.

[joeljonno]

You said "the position England were in". Well, they were 57-1. That was the position they were in at the time.

I read your post fine and correctly.

[tim2000s]

In the kind of position England were in, all the batsmen should have been playing shots that would score runs safely. None of these three did. That's the end of it. All got out to shots with a higher risk than necessary. And Carberry should be lambasted for getting out on 60 on a flat pitch. All in all, simply not good enough.

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[joeljonno]

In the kind of position England were in, all the batsmen should have been playing shots that would score runs safely. None of these three did. That's the end of it. All got out to shots with a higher risk than necessary. And Carberry should be lambasted for getting out on 60 on a flat pitch. All in all, simply not good enough.

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Exactly.

[ProCricketer1982]

Exactly.

Not really 'exactly' what you said is it?

Anyway, you and I won't agree so best of agreeing to disagree and not polluting this thread anymore.

[joeljonno]

Root played an attacking shot to the spinner, he got a top edge, if it had been about 2mm down his bat, it would have been 6 and a great shot.

Pietersen played one of his best scoring shots straight to a fielder.

Carberry hit the ball straight at a fielder.

I don't understand how people are saying one was a bad shot when another wasn't?  Yeah, Carberry middled it, straight to a fielder aho took a good catch down low to his left. He could have got both hands to it.

If Carberry was unlucky to pock a fielder out at regulation square leg when he could have smashed the ball into the crowd, then Root was unlucky to mistime a perfectly acceptable shot. Its not as if Root came dancing down the track, having a big swish and missing it.

Pretty much is what I said.

[Bats_Entertainment]

I don't think it's anything to do with not getting on with gear tbh, he's probably using the same bats he always has done with different stickers on.
Form is a curious thing, just one innings with the cricket gods smiling at you turns it around

My comment was tongue in cheek. People on here have particular interest in kit, right?

[joeljonno]

My comment was tongue in cheek. People on here have particular interest in kit, right?

Nah, don't think so. Happy to use anything and everything, just like everyone on here.