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19reading87

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What would your Current England XI be?
« on: December 17, 2013, 12:25:30 PM »

There are a lot of topics elsewhere talking roughly about this subject so I thought I'd open a new topic specifically for this..

There seems to be talk of people wanting "A B and C dropped" so with that name your personal England XI

I have to admit that this maybe a great time to clear out some deadwood and start a fresh era...

This is open to all English qualified players not just people in the current Ashes squad
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2013, 12:29:09 PM »

1. Ben Stokes
2. Ben Stokes
3. Ben Stokes
4. Ben Stokes
5. Ben Stokes
6. Ben Stokes
7. Ben Stokes
8. Ben Stokes
9. Ben Stokes
10. Ben Stokes
11. Ben Stokes

Sorry, couldn't help it!


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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2013, 12:31:20 PM »

Deadwood?

This is one of the most successful England teams ever. How many centuries and wickets are in that team? Only Carberry is not really good enough in the current XI.

I would say a few months off may be most beneficial for the team. Play the Lions against whichever IPL obsessed shower turn up in May and then start again vs India next summer.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2013, 12:38:32 PM »

I agree with alvaro, however I think carberry has acquitted himself well in some poor team displays, he never looks to be going on to get a big 'un though. I think all this drop pietersen talk is fickle, fine line between brilliance and stupidity in the pundits eyes. I think australia have played good hard cricket under boof lehmann and its made the series a lot more interesting for the purist. I just think wholsale changes against a rampant aussie line up would be a poor way (and not the usual english way) of getting new talent settled into the line up. Think we may as well line rankin and finn up and try to give them some short stuff back.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2013, 12:51:17 PM »

Deadwood was an overkill and just a word on the top if my tongue at the time. I suppose I mean people who in my opinion haven't performed greatly over the last 12 months
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2013, 01:04:23 PM »

Hard to name a fixed XI as I think part of England's current problem is an over-reliance on the same side every game which leaves them unprepared in case of injury/fatigue/loss of form.

For Melbourne:

Cook
Root
Bell
Pietersen
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Bresnan
Broad (if fit)/Finn (if it won't do more damage to his confidence than good)
Panesar
Rankin

Beyond that:

Cook
Root
Bell
Pietersen
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow/Buttler
Bresnan
Broad
Swann
Anderson

With more emphasis on rotating the seamers and introducing a younger spinner - though not sure who - when possible. A little flimsy in the late middle order but Cook, Bell and Pietersen will need to start taking real responsibility for their performances for England to be successful in this rebuilding phase. Also, I would prefer Bell as captain but appreciate that ship may have sailed


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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2013, 02:12:11 PM »

As there is no pressure on the results now, obviously it would be good to see us win the last 2 tests - but I feel when a series is already lost, why not try out some new blood - so here's my team with plenty of all-round prowess.

Cook
Root
Bell
Pietersen
Ballance
Stokes
Moeen Ali
Prior
Broad(Anderson if injured)
Finn
Mills

In;
Mills will add something we've been lacking, a quick left arm seam option.
Moeen Ali will add a bit of difference, there's no doubt that he had a superb season for the mighty pears and between himself and Root they can handle the spinning option(as he took a 5fer in the EPP game(I think))
Ballance deserves his chance in the middle order with Bell moving up to 3.
Finn should've played from the 1st test for me, probably our quickest bowler consistently - okay he may go for a few runs(however everyone has been going for runs this series), but he takes wickets - something that's been lacking this series from most of the bowlers.
Prior is in there ahead of Bairstow due to his keeping, however he is batting at 8. Lucky to be in the squad above Bairstow on his performances - but with the batting already in the team it's more important we have a better keeper.

Out;
Anderson - lack of swing, out of form and hasn't looked that threatening.
Swann - not done enough this series, out of form/lack of assistance
Carberry - hasn't really done it, it's been tough - the only time it's worked is when he built a partnership with Cook
Bresnan - not a fan of his, not a great deal of pace and it seems Stokes is doing a better job at his role of bowling wicket to wicket.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2013, 04:00:03 PM »

I think seeing as the ashes have already been won by australia(You Beauty!), Give Tymal Mills and Moeen Ali a shot in the team for a few games so that they can prove their worth.
I had the opportunity to bowl to both of these players and whild TYmal is a genuine number 11, he has some serious pace. In the case of Moeen, he is very talented, he hit me for 3 sixes with a middling bat!. heard hes been in good form recently aswell.
With nothing to lose I think england could make some of these changes.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2013, 04:13:02 PM »

Still can't see the big fuss about Mills. His FC performances have been on the verge of being dreadful and his inexperience hardly helps. He has the pace but not any other aspects he needs to become a decent front line bowler yet.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2013, 04:14:26 PM »


I think seeing as the ashes have already been won by australia(You Beauty!), Give Tymal Mills and Moeen Ali a shot in the team for a few games so that they can prove their worth.
I had the opportunity to bowl to both of these players and whild TYmal is a genuine number 11, he has some serious pace. In the case of Moeen, he is very talented, he hit me for 3 sixes with a middling bat!. heard hes been in good form recently aswell.
With nothing to lose I think england could make some of these changes.

I like Moeen and would love him to break into the side. He has done surprisingly well with the ball and obviously racked up a lot of runs in a very weak Worcestershire side this year. However, I do think Ballance has earned first crack at a batting spot with his performances on the Lions tour. Having said that, if Moeen keeps improving his spin and weighing in with serious runs then he could offer further balance/versatility to the squad, especially considering the dearth of immediate replacements for Swann.

I saw Mills bowl in a championship game at the end of last season and to be honest it looked like he was blowing a lot of hot air! He certainly has pace about him and so probably some room for development but at the moment he is far too raw (reflected by his FC stats) and I wouldn't be rushing to throw him in at the deep end. Let him mature and gain more match experience then see where he ends up. He reminds me a bit of Saj Mahmood in terms of the hype around him. Raw pace is not the answer to all of England's problems in my opinion


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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2013, 04:57:55 PM »

I think Moeen's route in is via the ODIs. Then batting seven and bowling spin in the subcontinent like a thin Samit. Tymal Mills? Not a chance.

I think that Manormanic is right about Azeem Rafiq - he would be my choice as Swann's replacement.

For India, I think the side should be:

Cook
Compton
Root
Bell
KP
Bairstow +
Stokes
Bresnan
Broad
Rafiq
Anderson




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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2013, 04:59:37 PM »

Ignoring the Ashes, my "squad" for the seven home tests would comprise:
Cook (retaining the armband)
Robson
Root
Pietersen (if he is committed and demonstrates it)
Bell
Stokes
Prior
Swann
Broad
Rankin
Anderson

plus:
Bairstow
Ballance (if he scores runs up the order for Yorkshire)
Onions
A left armer


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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2013, 05:01:11 PM »

It has been four years, three months and 25 days from the moment that Michael Hussey succumbed to Graeme Swann on a late August day at The Oval that clinched England's Ashes, to that at the Waca when Jimmy Anderson fended off yet another lifter from Mitchell Johnson into the hands of George Bailey at short leg, to bring them back to Australia. The change in fortune has been astonishing, not least in the last five of those months.

There has been a ferocity about Australia's approach that has been far from edifying at times, but it has been mighty effective.

England have been outgunned in every aspect of the game. The relative number of centuries, seven to Australia against Ben Stokes' magnificent effort in Perth, can be misleading( as it was in 2009) because four of those came in the second innings with a significant lead already. But the manner in which Johnson in particular obliterated England's lower order, while England failed to manage the same, was crucial, as was the quality of the Australian catching against that of England.

In Perth – especially in Perth – given the state of the series, they made a selection mistake in not including Boyd Rankin rather than the workhorse Tim Bresnan.

England have been let down by a failure to make first-innings runs sufficient to keep them in the game and maintain pressure on Australia. If, in general, the toss makes little difference between winning and losing, it seems to be having a considerable influence on Ashes matches at the moment, with seven of the last eight results, going back to Melbourne three years ago, going to the side winning the toss.

At times all of the top-five batsmen, with the exception of the unfortunate Jonathan Trott, have batted well enough, and certainly confidently against Johnson at least, without going on to make match-defining scores. Stokes', meanwhile, was the first hundred by an England batsman selected to bat at No6 since Eoin Morgan's against Pakistan at Trent Bridge in 2010. The decline of Matt Prior has had a startling effect.

Already it is time to look to the future, and not just to Melbourne, Sydney and the need to avoid a whitewash. It is little more than 18 months until the next Ashes series in England, in which period England have the remaining two games in Australia, two Tests at home to Sri Lanka followed by five against India, then three in the Caribbean in April of 2015 and two at home against New Zealand once more.

In other words, 14 Tests to assemble and give experience to a team that can compete with Australia in an endeavour to win back the Ashes. This does not, or should not, involve a whole root-and-branch sack-them-all approach. The Australians know as much as anyone that England possesses quality cricketers, whom through their own excellence they have made to play well below their standards individually and therefore collectively.

Alastair Cook is perfectly right in saying that Andy Flower is in the best position to bring about the change. To suggest that he would not have been aware that his team had plateaued is to do him an injustice but he might have expected a deal more from experienced cricketers. Likewise, Cook himself is a respected captain, a job that entails rather more than just running things on the field. But there is certainly a case for bringing about a change in the culture of the side, where micro-management has been taken to excessive degrees, and which has maybe taken the focus from more fundamental aspects of preparation.

It would be no surprise if Flower did not insist now on a reduction in support staff. A greater emphasis on players taking full responsibility for their own games will also be high on an agenda: the reliance on coaches who for their part see it as their role not to spoon-feed but to help batsmen and bowlers think for themselves, is too great.

Flower will need to make a rapid assessment of which players he believes will be around and in a position to form the nucleus of the squad in 2015.

These might include, from the Perth XI Cook, Joe Root, Ian Bell, Stokes, and Stuart Broad, perhaps with the addition of Anderson still, and Bresnan. Michael Carberry probably not. How Kevin Pietersen fits into this is hard to gauge but if his ambition is still there then so should he be.

Against that it is unlikely that Graeme Swann will play for much longer, if at all after this series (the inclusion of Stokes in the squad here was early acknowledgement of succession planning). From the remainder of the squad can be added Jonny Bairstow, Gary Ballance, Steve Finn, and Rankin.

Beyond that, in the medium term, they will be looking at the likes of Sam Robson as a possible alternative to Carberry, Moeen Ali, Ben Foakes, Jos Buttler, James Taylor and young pacemen such as Essex's Tymal Mills (who barely gets a game and must surely move counties), Jamie Overton and David Willey. The only credible spinner is Monty Panesar, but Stokes' presence does make that balancing act easier.

The immediate future of Prior hangs by a thread. Clearly his lack of runs and general confidence is impacting on his keeping, and for the remaining two Tests it would be prudent to bring in Bairstow. This would not by any means equate to the end of his international career as Brad Haddin, five years Prior's senior, has shown. But there is much to rebuild in someone who has been an outstanding competitor for England.

For Melbourne, Broad's injury may force a bowling change anyway, in which case Rankin should come in, and perhaps in any case in place of Anderson, who has just lost that snap that makes him so dangerous. It is too early to judge if he is simply burnt out after bowling more overs this year than any other pace bowler worldwide, or whether it is the start of a decline.

Whether Panesar plays instead of Swann might boil down to how they view the longer term. A personal view is that the changes have to start now, as far as they can.

Meanwhile, Australia look set to challenge the best for a while to come. The careers of both Chris Rogers and Haddin are close to the end, but the planning is sound, so that Phil Hughes is ready to return, Alex Doolan is thought ready to take over Shane Watson's role at No3, with Watson moving to six in place of George Bailey.

Peter Nevill, who England saw in their pre-series warm up in Sydney, will be the next keeper. The pace bowling is chock full of talent, the trick only in keeping them fit. Only the future condition of Michael Clarke's back might give rise to real concern. They will not relinquish the Ashes readily
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2013, 05:02:08 PM »

Mike Selvey ^^^
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2013, 06:45:22 PM »

for the remainder of the ashes:

cook
carberry
root
KP
bell
bairstow
stokes
bresnen
rankin
finn
monty

then for the next series (India)?

cook
root
bell
KP
ballence
stokes
prior (one more series if he doesnt perform id bring davies in)
broad
swann
finn
anderson
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