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[cricketbadger]

I suspect that the new no ball rule, bought in just for Finn has meant a serious need to remodel his action. And in doing so, I would think he's all over the place. THe management would have thought that it would be possible during the tour, after all Saker is a good bowling coach. I guess it just hasn't worked out!

I agree with this, didn't seem to be any problem until this became an issue and the no-ball rule was introduced, and it started to cost the side wickets. But at the same time I'm not entirely sure how its so difficult for him to move a couple of inches across the crease away from the stumps, surely that cant have a major effect on the way he bowls. Have the management just over-complicated the whole issue and now his confidence is completely shot

[cricketbadger]

In Dubai for the ODI's against Pakistan he looked unplayable at times with his pace and accuracy

[Bruiserboy]

I am still left wondering who or what is responsible for such a rapid decline from a very very promising beginning. Is it just he cant take the pressure or is  it the work on his action or was it the lack of bowling in the middle, the lack of being picked, too much technical input, poor coaching, poor man management?

[smilley792]

Kneeing the stumps. It wasn't like he did it every ball. Accept the no balls and move on.

Also, I don't understand how he can't merely move across the crease, I'm no professional bowler, infact there's probably a lot wrong with my bowling. But I'm able to move around the crease without much issue to change the angle to the batsmen,
So are England saying a world calls cricketer can't merely bowl from 4niches to the left?

[petehosk]

Finn hasn't been on decent form for a long time now.
This needs addressing and nobody is to blame! If someone loses form then it's one of those things - happens to ALL players, whoever you are!
The solution is to coach and address the form, and try to get the form back.

The biggest issue for me is that Finn hasn't been on the best form for a long time! Therefore, why was he taken on tour?

[Bruiserboy]

Finn hasn't been on decent form for a long time now.
This needs addressing and nobody is to blame! If someone loses form then it's one of those things - happens to ALL players, whoever you are!
The solution is to coach and address the form, and try to get the form back.

The biggest issue for me is that Finn hasn't been on the best form for a long time! Therefore, why was he taken on tour?

Interesting view. I agree he has been on the decline for a while but I am not sure its always as simple as that. This sounds like a bit more than just a loss of a bit of form and a slight dip in performance levels. Could be said Jimmy Anderson is going through that right now (I know the Aussie conditions/ball dont suit him but he was off form at home last summer and thats continued), sounds like Finn's whole action has gone to pot.

This is surely where all those England managers, coaches and support staff are supposed to kick in like you say. The very fact it has gone on for so long and has continued and ended in this outcome is a great shame and has made me ask the question.

Actually now you ask, why was Tremlett taken on tour on the basis of form???

[petehosk]

Trem was taken due to what he did in the previous Ashes over in Aus!

[acko109]

i have a mate involved in the england setup.. and aparantly some days he couldnt even pitch it on the cut stuff..

[smilley792]

Tremlett was signed for sixes in the big bash,

Bowled 1 over and took over

Now dropped. Lol

[petehosk]

I suspect with Finn, that his form has led to less confidence. And when you have a drop in confidence I believe you try little changes to try to get back on form?
This may have led to a few technical problems!

But whatever the reasons, my point is that he should have been taken under someones wing a while ago, and his technique analysed and if need be, go back to basics to get his bowling back on track.

[Number4]

Or as Bumble said "Who cares if he bowls a no ball by knocking the bails off occasionally just let him bowl"

[cricketbadger]

Trem was taken due to what he did in the previous Ashes over in Aus!

That doesn't warrant his selection, he hasn't played nearly enough cricket and hadn't showed any signs of decent form

[Bruiserboy]

I suspect with Finn, that his form has led to less confidence. And when you have a drop in confidence I believe you try little changes to try to get back on form?
This may have led to a few technical problems!

But whatever the reasons, my point is that he should have been taken under someones wing a while ago, and his technique analysed and if need be, go back to basics to get his bowling back on track.

Absolutely agree with this, which made me instinctively feel like pointing my finger at the vast england management and support set up given his inexperience, especially given all the other woes on the tour, but was reluctant to do that.

Come to think of it, looking at Cook batting right now its hard to believe that he could suffer such a loss of form even with all the woes of being england captain so maybe it is just a personal confidence thing.

[Jason_Yuan]

firstly since the time he keeps on getting wickets and knocking over the bowlers end bails off his confidence drops but he still play well in the ODI and t20 back in England vs aussie, out of him trem and rankin, he is the quickest and much more experience, tremlett only play because he perform well last year, but he hasn't been performing, rankin has been ruined by the England coaches too, not playing finn in the ashes because he have lost his 'confidence' is bullsh*t, he is the best bowler in the third test, and now they are not playing him in ODI when he is by far the best bowler after broad, it is definitely the England coaching staff fault for not letting him bowl... England selectors have done badly on selection with Compton, kieswetter, onions, finn etc... they need to sort this out pretty soon or they will be dropping down the world ranking sooner than later

[petehosk]

That doesn't warrant his selection, he hasn't played nearly enough cricket and hadn't showed any signs of decent form

I know it doesn't warrant his selection! We know that they should be choosing more on form rather than what someone did a year or two before! But alas, the selection boys don't seem to know that!