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[petehosk]

firstly since the time he keeps on getting wickets and knocking over the bowlers end bails off his confidence drops but he still play well in the ODI and t20 back in England vs aussie, out of him trem and rankin, he is the quickest and much more experience, tremlett only play because he perform well last year, but he hasn't been performing, rankin has been ruined by the England coaches too, not playing finn in the ashes because he have lost his 'confidence' is bullsh*t, he is the best bowler in the third test, and now they are not playing him in ODI when he is by far the best bowler after broad, it is definitely the England coaching staff fault for not letting him bowl... England selectors have done badly on selection with Compton, kieswetter, onions, finn etc... they need to sort this out pretty soon or they will be dropping down the world ranking sooner than later

I don't fully agree with you! Finn hasn't seen great form for a long while, and the powers that be should have ensured that he was ready! And I do honestly believe that his lack of form has led to his being low on confidence!! There is surely no question that he is low on confidence - and all the pundits seem to agree.
However, fully agree that the selectors need to get real and........
1. Choose on form rather!
2. Ensure that the squad they have chosen are mentally ready for the task
3. Ensure that the squad have played as much cricket as is healthy

I also agree that unless we sort this out, we will be down to 5 or 6 in the ranings very soon!!

[mattw]

Too many cooks(not the captain)...

He should've been left to just bowl in the first place, he's only a young man and these flaws could've been ironed out instead of a complete re-remaster of his action/run up. At the end of the day he got in to the test squad originally, so why change it? 

He seems like the sort of bowler that needs to bowl as well, so when he's just given the odd game no wonder that he doesn't perform as well as he can do. When this test series was over, I'm still annoyed/cannot believe that Finn did not get a chance to have a bowl...

There's no doubt in my mind that he's the most talented out of the trio of tall fast bowlers(himself, Tremlett & Rankin) that we took on the tour(which Rankin hardly played for Warwickshire last year and Tremlett is too injury prone, it was a bit of a disgrace that these guys even got on the tour) and I hope that he comes back stronger than before.

[Bruiserboy]

I suspect that the new no ball rule, bought in just for Finn has meant a serious need to remodel his action. And in doing so, I would think he's all over the place. THe management would have thought that it would be possible during the tour, after all Saker is a good bowling coach. I guess it just hasn't worked out!

Is Saker such a great bowling coach, what was his track record before joining England, I dont know? It hasnt look like it from the form of the last tour and the summer but then the bowlers maybe just arent capable or able to carry out what he is asking of them at present for whatever reasons.

Certainly the Finn thing doesnt reflect great on him.

[finbarr44]

All those out of form bowlers they took on tour, they don't care about form or they would have taken onions. Why didn't they take him because he was in form laughable really if it wasn't so serious.

[tim2000s]

Why did we have a bowling problem on tour? Because we decided on this theory of Tall bouncy bowlers and the three that fit that mould closest to the England set up (read mates with selectors/coaches/etc) were Rankin, Tremlett and Finn.

If form were really what had picked the Ashes squad, Onions would absolutely have been in there, but he didn't fit the theory being applied, at only 6'2" and only 88mph...

[finbarr44]

He was also in form and taking wickets. A travesty that he was so brazenly overlooked shame on the selectors and England management.

[mr_wickets]

My thoughts are it's time England got Ian Pont in.

Saker has done ok, just time for a change and Pont is a real quality coach

[Bruiserboy]

Why did we have a bowling problem on tour? Because we decided on this theory of Tall bouncy bowlers and the three that fit that mould closest to the England set up (read mates with selectors/coaches/etc) were Rankin, Tremlett and Finn.

If form were really what had picked the Ashes squad, Onions would absolutely have been in there, but he didn't fit the theory being applied, at only 6'2" and only 88mph...

I dont see that theory as particularly flawed. I personally suspect Onions may have struggled like Anderson did because of the lack of seem/swing and the kookaburra ball in Aus. Without seem movement, I think Onions may have been a bit straight up and down.

Its just none of those 3 got much of a chance but didnt really perform and really Finn got no chance. I think I would have taken Onions simply because he deserved it on form though and 2 of those 3 taller bowlers. Same question could be raised re Bresnan who hadnt bowled.

[finbarr44]

Onions couldn't have done any worse than tremlett Rankin and Finn. Reports say Finn couldn't even get it on the mat.

[Bruiserboy]

Swann hasnt been as good post that elbow problem either has he. So we had him, Tremlett, Finn, Rankin and Bresnan all in questionable form and our best bowler Anderson's main weapons negated by the conditions.

Still cant really understand how Finn can have got into such a state with all the support team around him. I reckon its lack of time in the middle.

Some bowling for his county on those juiced up early season pitches away from the england hierarchy should get him back on track

[ppccopener]

as ive posted before on here, Finn has major problems, all can be sorted out i'm sure but right now he has more than one issue which need specialist help

why has'nt that specialist help been available from the England staff? very very good question

i'm afraid...and anyone who has read my(admittedly a bit boring) posts...will know i'm a massive England supporter and always back my team up....but we(england) have got a lot wrong on this tour and i'm very concerned the management of the team is going wrong and on the wrong path long term

Steve Finn needs one person to work with, Angus Fraser,to help him with his action and his head.Finn may be a professional but he's a young lad and gold dust as a fast bowler-he is so valuable to England it's vital he is now handled right.
90mph english bowlers dont come around very often,he needs to get to Middlesex and take all the time needed to get things right.
really....he is too valuable to us,as in English cricket...to continue on the path he is on now

[tim2000s]

Swann hasnt been as good post that elbow problem either has he. So we had him, Tremlett, Finn, Rankin and Bresnan all in questionable form and our best bowler Anderson's main weapons negated by the conditions.

Still cant really understand how Finn can have got into such a state with all the support team around him. I reckon its lack of time in the middle.

Some bowling for his county on those juiced up early season pitches away from the england hierarchy should get him back on track

I think that sums it up. Of the eight bowlers we took with us, Broad, Anderson, Stokes, Rankin and Finn were fully fit. Tremlett, Bresnan and Swann were coming back off being crocked. Finn, Rankin and Anderson were suffering form issues. That leaves Stokes and Broad. Who were the top five bowlers in the Div 1 county wicket taking?

Onions 70 @ 18.46, Magoffin 63 @ 21.49, Murtagh 60 @ 20.4, Jordan 59 @ 26.73 and Rushworth 54 @ 22.26.

Magoffin is an aussie who never played for his country and bowls fast-medium.
Murtagh is English/Irish who bowls fast-medium swing and has never represented his country at senior level.

These two are both 34.

Rushworth has been discussed before and Jordan is a fast-medium bowler who has been described as genuinely quick, which suggests he might occasionally hit 90mph.

Would you pick the English qualified guys over Finn, Rankin and Tremlett?

[mo_town]

One horror Tour and the bubble has burst just like that...poof!!

This is literally tearing the opposition apart!

[Cricketlover]

My opinion is that England made a massive mistake by not playing on those bouncy Aus pitches, we saw from Johnson that pace was a great threat and big game changer. Now to send him home from the Odi series is a utter nonsense, they wanted him to a have break from playing cricket he didn't even play any cricket. He is England's second best bowler, should of played.

John Davidson.

[Northern monkey]

Scary, that's all I gotta say

Is there no English , genuine 90mph bowlers out there?
Is the current path to playing for England, so fuc&ed up, that the bowlers we need to compete at international level are either ignored,not given a chance, or just don't exist?

If we don't have a genuine 'quickie', , please tell me,what is the point of turning up?