Topic: Is that the end of KP? (Read 22055 times)

biffa · « **Reply #120 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:49:46 AM »

Quote from: iand123 on February 05, 2014, 11:47:33 AM

If they wanted rid of him they should have done it with the whole text saga with the SA team back in 2012.

Funny how this team/dressing room wasnt divided when they were winning isn't it?

Exactly! Think there is a few using kp as an excuse to cover up their own failures

iand123 · « **Reply #121 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:00:14 PM »

Quote from: MD2812 on February 05, 2014, 11:48:48 AM

article on the BBC saying that Cook was part of a 3 man panel who sat down with KP on Monday and was instrumental in his sacking.

I have suspicions that KP may have spoke to cook during the ashes about his captaincy and what he felt the team should be doing and Cook didn't like it.
It was known KP used to say to Flower what he thinks England were doing wrong and what they should do.

Sounds like he sang the wrong song to the captain and coach

I'd say thats a fair guess. Michael Vaughan has been saying its not true that KP and Cook had a stand up row after Sydney and had to be pulled apart

ppccopener · « **Reply #122 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:03:51 PM »

cook was said to be instrumental in the 're-integrating' process after straussy, now the ECB would not make this decision without Cook's opinion...that just would'nt happen

so we can presume Cook has had enough and is not prepared to back him any longer.
the thing that get's me about all this is Swann and Prior have said lately KP has been fine, the Surrey boys say he is fine but there is a problem that cannot be solved.

like others on this forum I would have dumped him after textgate and the south africans.
Now? well, we don't know what's happening to tip it over the edge.
some of the press like hussein and athers must know.but for now they are not saying.
Nasser and Atherton were knows as good man managers of difficult characters like thorpe,caddick,gough etc

I think myself the issue is KP's view of him and the team. He has to be part of the team regardless of how good he is.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #123 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:06:19 PM »

Has anybody mentioned this is Gowergate all over again?

Gooch and Gower didn't get on and Gooch left him out of the team to tour India in 92-93 I think? Naturally England got smashed. Gower still had a few more years in him. Certainly as many as Gooch and Gatting who stumbled around Australia in 94/95.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #124 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:13:20 PM »

Having read Steve James excellent book "The Plan" it says that Duncan Fletcher liked to have at least 8 steady players and at most 3 mavericks. He prized the ability of mavericks to open a game up and produce game changing performances but it had to be balanced with the poor performances. His reasoning was any more would make the team unstable on and off the pitch. Sounds to me that Flower/Cook wanted 11 non-mavericks and this is Cook's shot at having the last say. The only person still in control is Cook, England can't afford to lose their Captain. If anything Cook's positioned has been strengthened by the lack of alternatives and changes in personnel. I don't see the ECB/Downton having much say in the matter.

Buzz · « **Reply #125 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:21:24 PM »

unless Peter Moores is the preferred candidate to replace flower.

There is no way that KP could work with Moores, who is the only Level 5 cricket coach in the country. His impact on English cricket was to bring Swann and Prior into the England set up as well as Flower as batting coach and some other highlights (as well as not getting on with KP.)

By ditching KP the door becomes wide open for Moores.

p.s. I am not saying he is, or is not the right appointment, but this is an outcome of ditching KP.

I am also hearing that there was a brawl in the Eng dressing room at one point too... KP must have been involved

ppccopener · « **Reply #126 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:38:43 PM »

for those that think Moores got a very raw deal Buzz....it would be seen as 'what comes around goes around'
and justice done.
you could however take the opposite view if KP and Moores had both not been sacked-Flower may not of got the job.He has been our most successful coach.We don't obviously know what Moores would of been like long term.
You may be right the way may be clear for Moores as coach....

and the brawl during the Sydney test is getting some coverage in the press.
One thing is for sure,this is a right bun fight that is going to get worse.

I would suggest myself Cook is lucky to be still in a job..he is not a natural skipper.Shane Warne(hate to say it) but was right last summer

who else would skipper? dont know...

uknsaunders · « **Reply #127 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:45:15 PM »

Moores will never coach England again after Napier. England had just tied a 300+ game and he made them do a fitness session straight after! I don't think it was just KP who fell out with him from then on.

iand123 · « **Reply #128 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:56:07 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on February 05, 2014, 12:21:24 PM

unless Peter Moores is the preferred candidate to replace flower.

There is no way that KP could work with Moores, who is the only Level 5 cricket coach in the country. His impact on English cricket was to bring Swann and Prior into the England set up as well as Flower as batting coach and some other highlights (as well as not getting on with KP.)

By ditching KP the door becomes wide open for Moores.

p.s. I am not saying he is, or is not the right appointment, but this is an outcome of ditching KP.

I am also hearing that there was a brawl in the Eng dressing room at one point too... KP must have been involved

Or Newell at Notts who also didnt get on with KP

smilley792 · « **Reply #129 on:** February 05, 2014, 12:58:24 PM »

I thought it was gallian that broke his bat and threw his kit off the balcony?

Newell wasnt happy pietersen went to press about it was he?

Anyway, bbc claim it was cooks choice

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26046932

csnew · « **Reply #130 on:** February 05, 2014, 01:54:55 PM »

how many years does it take for kp to qualify for SA?

ABD and KP would be some combo

cleanbowled · « **Reply #131 on:** February 05, 2014, 02:01:48 PM »

Quote from: csnew on February 05, 2014, 01:54:55 PM

how many years does it take for kp to qualify for SA?

ABD and KP would be some combo

That would be something worth watching!!

FattusCattus · « **Reply #132 on:** February 05, 2014, 02:22:08 PM »

Any links to any press reports of this Sydney brawl?

iand123 · « **Reply #133 on:** February 05, 2014, 02:42:21 PM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on February 05, 2014, 02:22:08 PM

Any links to any press reports of this Sydney brawl?

http://sportinglife.aol.co.uk/cricket/news/article/22885/9151137/kp-wife-bats-away-cork-claims

It seems to be coming from Dominic Cork.... i think that says it all really

TangoWhiskey · « **Reply #134 on:** February 05, 2014, 05:01:27 PM »

Massive twitter row flaring up between Piers Morgan and Matt Prior.

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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 1m

What a ludicrous article > RT @NYMag Piers Morgan insufficiently worshipped for interview with transgender woman http://nym.ag/1fHDQuC
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 3m

If you didn't say it @MattPrior13 - then sue me. That should clear things up.
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 5m

My sources are rather better than yours.. > RT @legsidelizzy @piersmorgan @MattPrior13 @KP24 I don't believe that I am afraid.
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 6m

No, @MattPrior13 stabbed @KP24 right in the back > RT @legsidelizzy @piersmorgan he stood up for him last year to get him back in the side!
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 7m

For the record, @MattPrior13 led the England team meeting after Melbourne Test. And slaughtered Flower.
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 8m

Actually one of the worst re KP > RT @legsidelizzy @piersmorgan Prior is one of the good guys. Off side to try and bring him into this.
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 11m

You stabbed @KP24 in the back @MattPrior13 - yet you agreed with him re Flower's dictator style. Makes you a flaming hypocrite.
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 14m

No denial then @MattPrior13 - noted.
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 21m

He couldn't lead a Morris dance > RT @dmartyn30 Great article ... Is Cook the right leader? http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/716589.html � �
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Dan Walker ‏@mrdanwalker 26m

Just spoken to an Aussie mate on the blower who spent approximately 92% of the conversation laughing at the state of English cricket
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 34m

The younger players in England team love @KP24 . It's the older ones who didn't get IPL deals who resent him - they want his cash & talent.
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 38m

Has Paul Downton resigned yet? #DowntonShabby #KPSacked
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 41m

Ask him > RT @OllieHolt22 @piersmorgan @MattPrior13 do you think Matt Prior's proud of saying that?
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 49m

'Flower's behaving like a headmaster, this is a schoolboy environment. F**K Flower! This is OUR team!' - @MattPrior13 to England team.
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Piers Morgan ‏@piersmorgan 50m

I'm about to tweet what @MattPrior13 told England players in team meeting after Melbourne Test.

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Sam Peters ‏@Sam_sportsnews 12m

@legsidelizzy interesting KP/Morgan should choose to knife @MattPrior13 1 bloke who stuck up for KP post text-gate. Sums him up I suppose.
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Matt Prior ‏@MattPrior13 14m

...tried my best on and off the field to help the England cricket team. I can hold my head up high in that knowledge! #endof
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Matt Prior ‏@MattPrior13 16m

...which it was meant! There is no story here just an attempt to knock someone who has only ever had the teams best interests at heart and..
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Matt Prior ‏@MattPrior13 17m

...is said in team meetings but all I will say is that Flower, Cook and the rest of my team mates know exactly what I said & the way in..
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Matt Prior ‏@MattPrior13 18m

...or 'hacked' but if not I'd like to see where these words I apparently said have come from? I'm not the kind of person to divelge what...
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Matt Prior ‏@MattPrior13 20m

..setup apart from rumour, gossip and hearsay from certain individuals (most of whom I'd take with a pinch of salt!!) maybe I was recorded..
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Matt Prior ‏@MattPrior13 21m

I don't do this PR, spinning media rubbish but I refuse to be attacked by a bloke that knows very little about what goes on in the England..
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