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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #180 on: February 09, 2014, 07:04:30 PM »

So basically cook feels he has lost the trust of KP

Bloody hell after watching his captaincy KP was only possibly talking what we where all thinking.

I can understand the undermining effect of some but maybe it also a sign of poor leadership too.

Think Cook should stand down too
I agree with this 100%
Cook is a crap captain that looks like a lost little boy when in charge of the team. KP has clearly made his opinions clear and Cook has requested he is no longer part of it.
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #181 on: February 09, 2014, 07:07:54 PM »

How come when kp said

"Moores is poor, please get rid he's ruining our side"

They sacked pietersen for questioning them, them sacked Moores just incase he was right,



But when Cook says "sack pietersen he questioned one of my ideas" they say, yep, course we can mr cook, anything mr cook. Cake mr cook?"
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #182 on: February 09, 2014, 07:08:51 PM »

So basically they had a players meeting and the yes men reported back to the head ahead

Bloody school boy organization run by little nancy boys

So what we know

Kp is a tit we know he is but a talented tit

Cook and a few other yes men ratted on him from a team meeting


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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #183 on: February 09, 2014, 07:36:52 PM »

All I saw there was.


Fans we care little about you, go away,


Piers Morgan, stop slagging off our cricketers. Kp stop telling him stuff.


Cook, we will back you and everything you say or want. No matter the results.

The ECB needs to get their house in order. This is going back to the days of the MCC and Kerry Packer - a bitter war of childish proportions.

KP - He IS a prat and doesn't go about things the best way, but the guy is a winner and I cant imagine that he was trying to turn the dressing room against Cook, but probably throwing his toys out the pram when he thought HIS way was better. He needed to be managed - That was Flower's/Giles's jobs to do that - They failed badly.

We have gone back to the days where we want nice guys around all the time who do what they are told, and do not question anything, not people who are willing to fight for their standpoint because they want to win. The point of management is to manage different opinions and adapt accordingly. If Cook cant deal with someone questioning him... Great captain he is going to be...

Strauss handled Pietersen well, especially after KP did the stupidest thing you can do. Vaughan NEVER had a problem managing KP... Suddenly, KP is unmanageable and a disruptive influence? No offence, but he ALWAYS has been BUT he had been managed before so the impact he had was negligible.

In life, we all work with people who are prats but, sometimes we have to because they are really good at what they do. We DON'T go running to our boss every five minutes. I bet some of the England lads now will be thinking that if they disagree with something Cook is doing, will they be fired for having a view?
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #184 on: February 09, 2014, 07:56:57 PM »

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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #185 on: February 09, 2014, 08:13:01 PM »

Im torn in this issue,having followed england since 1981 its obvious we need our best players.kp has been a match winner for ages-we simply would not of won so much without him.
However atherton in the times on friday and strauss today in the same newspaper shed a different light on 'managing him'
Worth a read if you can
Personally imo he should of gone after textgate in 2012 but was reintegrated back and forgiven(by strauss)
But those old wounds opened up again in australia-under pressure.
I dont think cook is a very good captain myself but the team spirt issue and trust is mentioned in both articles.
Its also made clear cook and prior got kp back in the team-two players kp has now turned on
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #186 on: February 09, 2014, 10:33:12 PM »

Watched the verdict on sky and with the ecb statement quite speechless about the reasons for kp's sacking. So they had a team meeting after going 3-0 down where everyone could have their say in the open, but they didn't like what kp had to say. Reminds me very much of my old boss who would have a staff meeting to discuss his latest plans and we'd give our ideas. If you disagreed he'd shout you down and get aggressive. In the end we learnt to keep quite or found another job!

The ecb have thrown all their weight behind cook, but it's not like he's even an ok captain, It's obvious to everyone that he's not up to the job. Captain's like he bats; percentages, plays it safe, no risks and ultimately dull to watch! Kp will be missed, especially as without him we have far less chance of winning any form of limited overs tournament.
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #187 on: February 10, 2014, 07:18:01 AM »

Just remember Sky have their own agenda - they need to sell subscriptions to watch World T20 and English summer games once football is over without England's top player.  That's why Charles Colville and Bob Willis are very one-eyed.  No coincidence they're showing KP's greatest innings and then a very biased slant on KP's sacking with Charles, Bob, one of cricket's journalists form a sensationalist tabloid with the largest reader base and a few words from Harmy, who actually did pretty well.

It's a real shame that KP's gone - my overriding feeling is sadness and it's very well saying "he's our best player," "manage him better" etc.  The issues are trust.  We will all have experiences of  playing with, managing talents who may well be idiots of the highest order, but they are tolerated because of their talent.  But what if that talent starts undermining you as a manager?  What if they're in the ears of the players, especially the younger ones, saying how poor you are at your job and you don't know what you're doing?  What if those players then start 'acting up' and performance levels drop and you see that star players' influence spreading?  You can cite, for example, Sheringham and Cole not getting on at Man Utd.  But they only had to tolerate each other for a few hours each day and, at most a couple of nights on a away European game.  Kp is in that camp for 3-4 months.  You can magnify his influence significantly.

Cook has gone down in my estimation around this.  He's quick to take the plaudits in 2012 when he reintegrates KP back into the side, but has gone silent (publicly at least) on this now he's seemingly had a big say.  One thing is certain though.  He'll learn from it.  He knows he didn't learn, on and off the pitch, in Oz and it's a major mistake not seeking the advice of Strauss/Vaughan/Hussain.  He should and I hope he does.  I'd be very surprised if he doesn't drop Strauss a line, if he hasn't already.  I agree he was managed better by Vaughan and Strauss, who were more experienced and stronger personalities than Cook, who has to learn quickly.  He's been undermined and he needs to show he's a strong leader capable of doing the job.

Overall I'm disappointed KP isn't playing for England any more.  I think it could've been handled better, by all parties (having Piers Morgan as his Rottweiler is a massive mistake and he needs to muzzle that dog - the ECB shouldn't have even acknowledged his input), but I can totally understand why England have binned him.  You have to have the same rules for all players.
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #188 on: February 10, 2014, 07:38:42 AM »

In which way do you think Cook has been undermined? I'm assuming the leaking of the post-melbourne team talk?
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #189 on: February 10, 2014, 10:19:24 AM »

The real issue for me is that Pietersen has been a great servant to English cricket. He will always be remembered for that oval innings in the 2005 ashes. He didn't deserved  to be disposed of in this manner.
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #190 on: February 10, 2014, 10:42:47 AM »

There are some who would counter argue that KP has been a great servant to KP.
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #191 on: February 10, 2014, 11:04:28 AM »

There are some who would counter argue that KP has been a great servant to KP.

Yep.

All summer I shall be listening to part-time cricket fans with loud opinions on this matter. Dreading it.
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #192 on: February 10, 2014, 11:12:08 AM »

I think it is time to move on.

It appears that Eoin Morgan is the chosen on.
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Re: Is that the end of KP?
« Reply #193 on: February 10, 2014, 11:16:39 AM »

I think it is time to move on.

For sure.
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