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The KP Saga Continues
« on: February 28, 2014, 12:32:20 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26382742

Looks like MP is trying to earn some Cookie brownie points!

KP reply on twitter is brilliant however!

Fewer Q&A's, more Sussex nets methinks, Matt Prior! #josbuttler."
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2014, 12:37:25 PM »

same old england, the same people just looking after each other. swann, anderson, broad, prior all kissing up to the managment.

KP was passionate about winning, whether it was for him or england i dont care about his motivation when he was winning us games
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2014, 12:49:31 PM »

The KP article on cricinfo and quotes from MP is odious on multiple levels - it smacks of someone standing up for a mate and trying to get their job back.

This is far more insightful from https://twitter.com/TheMiddleStump

http://www.themiddlestump.co.uk/2014/02/john-etheridge-is-main-man-in-currant.html

this is also a bit odd and contains a world of caveats - but the underlying view is the falling out with the captain which is clear.
but being a good bloke doesn't make you a good captain and I think there will be two sides to each story - we haven't heard much from either side.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2014, 12:58:03 PM by Buzz »
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2014, 12:54:06 PM »

But the fact is Cook is a poor captain. you cant hide that fact.
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2014, 12:57:34 PM »

This is yet more evidence to show the ECB are poor and Cook is just not good enough to be a capt. As Buzz said, you can be a top bloke etc but being a capt is a completely different skill. Matt Prior you have just shown you have sold out as well, shame. Not that WI will give England it but Eng need to be beaten and beaten badly again to really show this lot up. They appear to be getting away with it.
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2014, 01:21:12 PM »

Ive read most of the kp posts on here and its clear the majority still want him in
The question seems to be theres no doubt kp put his own interests first,he used england to earn to big bucks
Some of the others put their country first
It comes down to whether you can have that in a team environment
Etheridges article about kp leaving when the sydney test had not finished sums it up
Cook is not a good captain and i dont the the management is right either
How do you manage a player that wont buy into the team ethic??
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2014, 01:39:32 PM »

The situation has been handled poorly but in my opinion was the right decision. There will no doubt be a confidentiality clause in the termination agreement seen as neither side has made direct comments as yet (KP using Morgan and others to make his for him). It will be interesting to see what comes out once that agreement expires...
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2014, 01:39:54 PM »


How do you manage a player that wont buy into the team ethic??

You get the feeling that Cook hasn't got any of the requisite man management skills that a good Captain needs to even attempt to manage someone like KP. You can have a lovely harmonious dressing room full of polite well spoken players, but if you can't score runs you aren't going to win matches.
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2014, 01:40:29 PM »

For someone who isn't even English I'd say he did more than most did for his country. I can think of born and bred footballers who have given the three lions alot less respect. He always gave his all in my opinion and will always be the best England player of my generation by a country mile. I cant wait to read his book.
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2014, 02:04:15 PM »

Cheap shot by Prior, uncalled for..
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2014, 02:39:58 PM »

KP is clearly a bit of a prat (if the swear filter wasn't in place is use other words) but I find the sycophantic nature of prior's words a bit worrying. If they want to try and prove that they aren't just a team of yes men to the captain and establishment then incidents like this just don't help
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2014, 08:04:52 PM »

Errr, what would you do if you were Prior?

Take events recently... Lost test series, got dropped from test team, team director walks, KP sacked.

You get asked a question which you want to answer...

Support what has gone on with an eye to reclaiming test place

Or

Stand up for KP and probably never play cricket for England again.

Prior did right. KP is the past (for now) and people need to move on. Maybe Cook isnt strong enough to manage KP, but if he can get a team without arguments all the time, maybe this will show whether he is a good enough captain.
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2014, 08:06:26 PM »

Or have respect for a fellow ex team mate and say that's none of my concern.
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2014, 08:11:52 PM »

Or have respect for a fellow ex team mate and say that's none of my concern.

Got to earn respect once you lose it.  Think if it was the other way round, KP would certainly had an opinion.

Especially when MP had been the one helping KP reintegrate before he presumedly did something to turn against him.
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Re: The KP Saga Continues
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2014, 08:19:09 PM »

Kp will split opinions right down the middle
He's won games for us thats for sure.a brilliant batsman there's no doubt.
Swanny says today on bbc kp should of been booted after the textgate with straussy and the sa team.thats what i think too.
Prior was asked a question and answered it, by all accounts it was prior and cook who got kp back after that issue with the texts
I think this forum generally has the football style view of no matter how difficult you manage the individual.
Eg cantona,pierre van whats his name/jaap stam etc...
Thats a fair enough view and i dont think cook is a good man manager for a second
In football of course you can transfer a player....
You also need players who think for themselves,that means having an opinion,a load of yes men gets no where...
Its a difficult balance in a team game
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